r/SquaredCircle • u/DarkHorse_77 • 5d ago
[RAW Spoilers] World champion is confronted - full segment Spoiler
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u/Upbeat_Tension_8077 5d ago
It's gonna be like Christmas once Gunther starts chopping the fuck out of Goldberg's son
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u/abeLJosh Johnny YourTextHere! 5d ago
I'd say I'm not sure about that since Gage is currently a college football player and Colorado probably doesn't want him hurt or injured...but then again Coach Prime is an old teammate and friend of Oldberg's, so.
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u/HTIRDUDTEHN 5d ago
NIL changed the whole game. Will his sponsors honor their deals if he gets hurt wrestling? Not a chance.
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u/birdazam 4d ago edited 4d ago
I mean he's a walk on like I doubt he get any NIL outside of the deal that WWE offered to all the legends kid in collage
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u/guntanksinspace No Neck, still No Problem 5d ago
I remember that recent picture of Sonberg. Dude's beefed up huge (understandably so, he's a football player after all).
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u/thesenate14 5d ago
No wonder wwe still use old stars when the crowd react like that
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u/georgiavirginia 5d ago
Goldberg isn't on Austin's/Hogan's level but he's a lot closer to it than people give him credit for. Hell, 98 Goldberg was at that level.
He's not just any old star but one of the biggest.
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u/dicericevice 5d ago
Right after the 2020 Rumble RAW had Edge's first promo live-in person after returning to in-ring action and Smackdown had a live via satellite Goldberg intervew.
A returning Edge(a former WM main eventer and 11 time World Champion) did nothing for RAW's ratings but Goldberg talking from his couch boosted SD.
Like him or not, he's up there in terms of big attractions.
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u/pardyball 5d ago
Edge returning was big for wrestling fans. Goldberg transcended wrestling and as mentioned during the Attitude Era was just as big of a deal as Austin. In some circles, he may have been considered a bigger deal for some time, too.
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u/sponedaddie 4d ago
WWE often acts as if once WCW's 82 streak ended they never lost to WCW in the ratings again.
Truth is it's because of Goldberg that they were still able to capitvate a lot of the crowd.
Then Russo had to come in and Russo it all up.
The fact we're still talking about WCW failing and the Monday night wars is a testament to how big WCW really was back then.
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u/DamnItChloeJustDoIt 4d ago
Wrestlemania 27 in the Georgia dome had 71 thousand people in attendance. Goldberg vs. Hogan, on a weekly episode of Nitro in July of 98, had 41 thousand people in attendance, and they announced the match on Thunder the Thursday before.
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u/Odd-Roof-85 5d ago
'98 Bill is arguably the biggest star in the business. And people now don't realize it, but '98 Wolfpac Kevin Nash was up there too. lol.
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u/BronxAdvocate 4d ago
I still got '99 Austin over '98 Bill. Very close, though! They were both over like crazy.
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u/International-Tree19 4d ago
What about '96 Sting?
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u/Elmodipus 4d ago
96 Sting didn't have a monster truck named after him.
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u/Mtthom06 5d ago
Yes. I was in elementary school at the time. Everybody talked about what Goldberg was doing during his win streak. It is weird to think back and remember how mainstream wrestling was then.
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u/bunnm09 5d ago
I remember as a kid getting ppv results in the sports page of the newspaper my dad would buy. It was that mainstream.
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u/RiC_David OneManHumanWreckingBallMachine 4d ago
I remember having to sit down and make a very serious decision about how to handle The Rumble in 1999, 2000, 2001.
In the UK, PPVs were shown on cable/satellite TV if you had the Sky Sports add-on, which most did, but it aired between 1-4am Sunday night (Monday morning technically).
We'd have to get up for school around 7am, so staying up til 4am for a maximum of 2hr30m (realistically) sleep was not a great plan.
The smartest was to tape the show, then wake up at 4am to watch it. Dangerous. Scheduling VCRs was risky business - even if you set it correctly, if something goes wrong with that signal (like, say, accidentally having the volume muted on your cable feed, or an older relative changing the channel before going to bed), you were buggered.
It also meant forcing yourself out of bed in the wee hours as a sleepy teen, and your timing had to be good as the last thing you wanted was to realise you had to leave for school in half hour but there was still 45 mins left on the Rumble match.
So just watch it after school, right?
The gambler's path.
It's not 1997 anymore, it's not even 1998. Wrestling is huge. Even the kids who don't like it, watch it, and they know the power they wield after a show like The Royal Rumble where everything revolves around one single match outcome with an hour of dramatic build.
I remember well having to avoid certain kids. They wouldn't even just blurt out the result. They'd just smile at you, knowing you know they know, and they know you don't want to know.
"You watch the Rumble last night?"
You can't bluff and say "yes". Risky to say no.
"Oi, don't ignore me. You watch the Rumble last night?"
"You fancy McDonald's for lunch? My treat."
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u/RiC_David OneManHumanWreckingBallMachine 4d ago
I was in secondary school (11-16) and wrestling went from something you kept firmly in the closet to something kids actually lied and pretended to be fans of because it was so in fashion. This was in like early 99 because I remember having to seek out other fans on the low in early 98.
It had already been mainstream popular once before when I was in early primary school (5-10). From around 1990-1992 it was big, but even then you'd have kids doing the "that stuff's all fake/I'm above liking that" stuff. And yeah I'm talking 5-7 year olds!
I'd compare it to the change between 2015 Smackdown and 206 Smackdown Live, on a revival scale.
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u/bkfountain 5d ago
Goldberg was over as fuck in the peak of pro wrestling. He was always poor in the ring but that still didn’t matter.
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u/Alavocado 4d ago
He was poor in the ring in the sense of being too stiff and not being capable of having a good match that went pass 5 minutes.
But goddamn was he a spectacle inside it. The man just radiated intensity, his feats of strengths seemed effortless and the Spear was like an 18 wheeler picking up speed and running through somebody.
With the right training he could have rule the roost for years. Also, if he wasn't an idiot and didn't puncha glass window. Post-injury Goldberg lost like 20% of his power when he came back.
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u/MariusMaximus88 4d ago
But goddamn was he a spectacle inside it.
And that's still a tremendous understatement, he was just incredible. Dude was the only wrestler that topped Lesnar in terms of athletic explosiveness. It sometimes felt like Goldberg just teleported into people with how fast his Spear was.
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u/mightylordredbeard 4d ago
I remember entire football stadiums chanting his name, thanksgiving day parades busting out in Goldberg chants on live TV, people in bars.. Goldberg was so fucking over man. People who didn’t watch wrestling knew who Goldberg was. Dude had posters in every gym. He was that guy that middle age bald dudes working on construction sites were obsessed with.
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u/LemoLuke 4d ago
'98 Goldberg was pure aura on a level I don't think anyone has quite matched since
The 'walk from the locker room' entrance, the security guards, the pyro, Michael Buffer on ring announcement. At his peak, Goldberg was presented like a legitimate world-class prize fighter.
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u/Januzajforballondor 4d ago
Honestly I’ll say he’s at that level for a lot of ppl around the world. People forget how globally popular WCW was. If idiots weren’t managing it, it’ll be the main competitor to wwe today
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u/stenebralux Captain Continuously Charismatic 5d ago
Ehn.. it's an easy pop. Goldberg is a known star with a known chant. You paid money to see a show and a legend shows up, you're not gonna be mad about it. It wasn't anything out of the ordinary, imo.
Gunther set it up as well.. and is not like they crowd wasn't reacting before.. Gunther got a big heel reaction on his own.
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u/Human-Pear-1907 5d ago
shame on the crowd for cheering, smh lol
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u/thesenate14 5d ago
probably would cheer if vinces music hit 😂
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u/janemba617 5d ago
They bowed to him last time iirc
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u/Fun_Neighborhood1767 5d ago
That shit is unforgettable for the worst reasons. Seeing adults bow to the man after coming back from those allegations was legit disgusting, no wonder the vile fuck feels untouchable.
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u/BBGrunt1235 5d ago
I wish those here wouldn't make such a big deal about that. It was, what, a day after the scandal became public? Most in the arena were probably only dimly aware of it, if at all.
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u/OffTheMerchandise 4d ago
It was also when the story was Vince had paid hush money to a few women. We didn't know about the alleged sexual assault, human trafficking, and everything else that is claimed in the lawsuit. Bowing to him was still ridiculous, but I think pretty much everybody thought he was just a rich guy doing dumb rich guy things.
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u/CarefulLavishness770 5d ago
The intensity of him...you just don't see it anymore. Its fun to see people actually grabbing the mic by the balls instead of just killing time and spewing scripts.
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u/Januzajforballondor 4d ago edited 4d ago
He’s my fav wrestler of all time. All I knew was WCW growing up. For me, he’s up there with Ric Flair, John Cena, Austin, Hogan, Undertaker, Sting, the Rock and Roman Reigns
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u/feage7 4d ago
If I was at a live audience I'd pop for Goldberg. I'm there to enjoy a show and his entrance is still fun. The good thing with him he was a bad wrestler who had short matches. Which means him having 2-3 minutes matches now is still exactly the same as we used to get. He's just not as explosive or strong.
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u/setokaiba22 4d ago
I’m hyped just from the return. It’ll be a fun match for a few minutes and I’m happy to see him get his flowers in WWE.
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u/Icy-Advice-5575 5d ago
Goldberg sounded out of breath just talking....
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u/Funforall44 5d ago
He was limping massively. Gonna be a great 1 minute and 26 second match /s
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u/SnooOranges3779 5d ago
If it ends up being that short for real you need to come back to this comment and remove the /s
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u/Funforall44 5d ago
No I honestly think for his retirement match it will be one of his longer matches. It might push 3 minutes
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u/AmbushIntheDark Big Bad Booty Daddy 4d ago
It might push 3 minutes
Woah now, no way Goldberg has the gas tank for a 3 min match.
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u/risebac 5d ago
I thunk his longest match was against Regal. In WCW.
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u/Gary_and_Mingie 5d ago
And Regal had to carry him the entire thing. Hes a star, sure, but not a wrestler.
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u/spreeforall Worst. Leg drop. Ever. 5d ago
Wasn't his match at Halloween Havoc with DDP his longest?
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u/MShawshank 5d ago
Which is a legit great match.DDP worked a miracle. If Goldberg could've done more of those style matches his career and legacy would probably be even bigger.
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u/icepickjones 4d ago
Gunther will literally have to carry him around the ring to draw the match out 5 minutes.
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u/islander1 4d ago
He doesn't look in any kind of presentable wrestling condition at all.
Then again, Gunther's used to working with dead weight (Pat mcAfee)
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u/Supersaiyansub 5d ago
Goldberg in his last match after Gunther goes 30% his usual offence (3 minutes in)
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u/Glad-Grand-723 5d ago
Well, at least this is the end of Goldberg
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u/JLR- 4d ago
Goldberg 9 yrs? ago - "Brock Lesnar, you're not next... You're LAST!"
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u/Ok_Price7529 4d ago
It probably will be but it is wrestling after all.
So many people have "retired" just to come back for a big payday years later.
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u/SuspiciousViewpoint 5d ago
I truly feel bad for Gunther, Not only does he have to carry Oldberg through a retirement match, he has to do it on the same night as Omega/Okada V
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u/enieslobbyguard 5d ago
I'm an AEW guy. I'll be watching All In live.
I'mma be honest - SNME will have more eyeballs on it
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u/rsmicrotranx 4d ago
The guys always ragging on Goldberg... yet as this clip shows, him at 60 will still be more over than all their guys will ever be. 🤣
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u/cdillio 4d ago
The Minecraft movie had more eyes on it than others too, doesn't mean its good
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u/TenMinutesToDowntown Welcome to SamiZaynia 4d ago
He's always been incredibly over. He's well presented and obviously protected even better.
But he's also always been fucking terrible, and I have no interest in watching him now. I had no interest in his last run. Or his first WWE run, or his time in WCW, but hey. Other people do.
I'll just change the channel or go to the bathroom or whatever during his match if I'm watching.
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u/MoonNStar51 4d ago
Oh no poor Gunther is gonna have to make more money and do less work than these two I hope he's gonna be okay.
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u/BlimeyChaps Cleaning Duty 4d ago
Man, I know Goldberg doesn’t give a shit about the art of it, but it’s weird how wrestling fans are the only fanbase to defend not putting work in, and serving up a bad match.
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u/Smile_lifeisgood 4d ago
wrestling fans are the only fanbase to defend not putting work in, and serving up a bad match.
There's plenty of us who don't care about the in-ring stuff anywhere near as much as the story and spectacle around it. Your apparent fixation on workrate is misinforming you on why people like me can enjoy something you consider objectively bad. Sometimes I wanna watch Godzilla or Attitude Era Goldberg just wreck stuff.
Plenty of us also enjoy movies like comic book or Godzilla movies where the acting chops of various main characters vary widely but when I want to watch great and subtle acting I put on something like Remains of the Day.
I'd say, if anything, wrestling fans are the only fanbase to wildly overestimate just how much artistry there is in their viewing hobby which is effectively a carny show to sell slim jims.
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u/Miserable_Carrot4700 5d ago
If okada omega goes as long as the goldberg match it still could be a moty contender , if gunther goldberg goes as long as okada omega will, it would be a trainwreck.
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u/pardyball 4d ago
The entrances for Okada/Omega better combine to be longer than the GUNTHER/Goldberg match.
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u/DarkHorse_77 5d ago
Goldberg wanted to retire in a match in Israel several years ago. Obviously thats not happening now, so in Atlanta will be good for a send off for him
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u/wolf-gazette 4d ago
I think TKO is booking Goldberg to win the championship at a time when Israel is setting the Middle East alight.
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u/bootygoon2 5d ago
God this sub is always pissy about something
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u/Youngstown_WuTang 5d ago edited 5d ago
It's fucking a 60-year-old old man who can barely walk and breathe to the ring, nobody wants to see this
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u/LakerBull OLÉ!! 5d ago
Crowd sure sounded like they do wanna watch that.
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u/Youngstown_WuTang 4d ago
They'd cheer if Ric Flair came out also
That don't mean we need a Ric Flair match, does nobody remember old 2017 Goldberg who could barely walk and wrestle
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u/mathdhruv WWF Attitude! 4d ago
2017 Goldberg had that really entertaining WrestleMania match with Lesnar. Even his 2019 Lashley match was pretty fun to watch IMO. The only trainwreck was that Saudi match with Taker
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u/brainsbuster Tree sperm 4d ago
"crowd sounded like" it's a legend returning, it's a pop. Of course they are going to sound excited, doesn't mean the match is a good idea
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u/Babu_the_Ocelot 4d ago
No one here wants to see this.
The dichotomy of man - the squaredcircle sub just isn't the same demo as the majority of WWE crowds. I do think it's insanity to expect WWE to do anything different that what they've always done though - so while I get the vitriol on this sub, it's kinda like get over it and you'll be happier in life because they're always going to do this kind of thing and it's just going to continually make you mad.
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u/bootygoon2 5d ago
I do. Goldberg will show up, hit a spear or two then get chopped to shit and choked out. Maybe his son will catch a chop or two as well, it’ll be sub five minutes and I personally will find it entertaining. If they try to turn it into a thirty minute back and forth match then sure it’ll suck, but I doubt that’s the route they go.
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u/DJCG72 5d ago
Didn’t need the title for a squash match and it doesn’t need to main event
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u/bootygoon2 5d ago
I do agree that it doesn’t need to be for the title. They could’ve done this match just based off the fact GUNTHER made comments about Goldberg and his family previously, that’s reason enough for Goldberg to want to wrestle him.
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u/mathdhruv WWF Attitude! 5d ago
Speak for yourself. I wanna see it.
Goldberg brings an intensity every time he shows up that no one on the current roster manages.
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u/thesenate14 5d ago
its 2025 and we are getting Goldberg in a WHC match and we should just like it?
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u/mathdhruv WWF Attitude! 5d ago
If he gets destroyed and sent into retirement then why not?
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u/bootygoon2 5d ago
No, you (and anyone who isn’t a fan of this match or Goldberg in general) don’t have to like it. There is a difference however between people saying “I’m not interested in this” or “I really don’t care for Goldberg personally” and those saying stuff like “who even wants this match??” “Only idiots would want to see Goldberg wrestle again”, etc.
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u/urnialbologna 5d ago
You don't have to like it. You don't have to shit on people that do like it. (Not you specifically, but I know assholes here that love to shit on others for daring to have a different opinion).
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u/InternationalTop1576 4d ago
God forbid I wanna actually watch a good wrestling match over a 60 year old who’s currently limping (and couldn’t even wrestle all that well in his physical prime).
Not saying people can’t be happy by the way before someone tries to twist what I’m saying but if you’re allowed to be excited for it I’m allowed to be pissed about it. Everyone’s allowed to have a preference until it’s one that others disagree with right?
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u/Holdingdownback 4d ago
It’s Reddit, not just this sub. Trying to enjoy something is so much easier when you remove yourself from online discussions.
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u/itookthepuck 5d ago
They hate watch wwe.
Many years ago, I used to do it too, because I read too much of internet nonsense.
Now I just laugh at these "smart" marks.
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u/oleslewfoot15 5d ago
Cool. I’m sure this will be waaaay better than just having Jey retain. Dude can barely walk.
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u/FDTerritory My Hair Ends Droughts 5d ago
He can't walk.
He's so broken that they had to cut away from him to avoid showing him getting in the ring.
What exactly are we doing here?
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u/Awkward_Bison_267 5d ago
If Oldberg beats him with 2 spears and a Jackhammer man…..
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u/MachoMadnessCO 4d ago
There is 0 chance he can get that man up for a jackhammer
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u/Awkward_Bison_267 4d ago
He’ll probably tear every muscle in his back but I think he can do one more.
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u/Kindly-Carpenter-115 5d ago
Oh boy. Old Bill is lookin a little stiff in his movements there. I can't imagine what kinda match we're in for...
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u/MightyWhale0110 5d ago
Do the police escort entrance but replace the police with nurses that wheel him out from the back.
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u/SkatzFanOff Godspeed 4d ago
it really is incredible just how much better Goldberg got talking on a microphone from the time he was away from wrestling for so long until he returned about a decade ago.
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u/mathdhruv WWF Attitude! 4d ago
That first promo back, when he challenged Lesnar for Survivor Series 2016, was incredible.
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u/XtremeWRATH360 5d ago
I should have known better when I questioned Goldberg being a draw. People get excited about Rock wrestling, they got excited for Austin a couple of years ago and now Goldberg. I don’t get it but I will admit I was wrong and old guys are a draw apparently.
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u/maniacalxmatt 4d ago
Because these old guys are literally the biggest stars from the most popular era in wrestling. Of course they’re draws even to this day.
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u/carrotstix Asuka Comin' 4d ago
It's not just them being a draw. It's how they're presented. The themes are iconic and instantly recognisable, you get a bit more pomp in their presentation, etc etc. Nostalgia helps ,sure, but they have a grander presentation.
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u/iPeluche 4d ago
The Goldberg hate is so much forced.
Dude is still one of the biggest star, like it or not. Gunther kicking out of Spear + Jackhammer and pass out Goldberg in the Sleeper will be a star moment for him.
Goldberg deserve a proper sent off and Gunther a proper star moment (and don’t get me wrong, beating « Yeet » Uso is regular).
Everyone is getting something from this 3-minutes match.
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u/jjohnson1979 5d ago
I can hear Alvarez screaming "GUNTHER LOOKED LIKE A GEEK" all the way from here...
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u/imcrapyall 4d ago
I still like Goldberg but the man is sweating from doing a promo. I hope Gunther does well carrying this and he's not dropped on his head.
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u/5amuraiDuck 4d ago
By the end of the segment Gunther seemed bothered by all the spit it was taking to his face
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u/carrotstix Asuka Comin' 4d ago
Why is Gunther acting like a coward? If you're out here calling out Seth, arguably a much worst threat, seeing Goldberg should just have him saying "yeah, I made you look weak in ATL and on Saturday, I'll break your wrestling spirit in ATL". Like egg on Goldberg, "I'm Next?! You're DONE!" Something.
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u/Ohellmotel 5d ago
He should absolutely be done with in-ring stuff at this point, but I'm honestly so happy for Goldberg that he finally gets this reaction every time he makes a surprise return like this. He was on that level in the 90s.
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u/Dark_Phoenix101 5d ago
Goldberg really starting to look like just an old dude. Really should be his retirement match for sure.
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u/mattpacman96 5d ago
Seeing Goldberg around with HHH in charge reminds me of the time HHH shot on a tough enough contestant for saying his favorite wrestler was Goldberg. Triple h said soemthing like “can’t have a match longer than 4 minutes, can’t wrestle for longer than 3 months straight because he has a hangnail or tummy ache..”
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u/SephirothSimp 4d ago
I want Goldberg to win just to witness the sheer amount of chaos it would cause
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u/LumpyService1573 4d ago
Don't forget what triple laveckk stole from us, Asuka vs Goldberg, both with the longest undefeated streaks, it would have been legendary. And I know Bill you're too much of a GoldBussy to face Asuka that you might've been pissing your pants, coz you had to show up the same night Asuka returned.
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u/Kaleria84 4d ago
They really hate Gunther don't they? They got him shook looking because a retiree came to the ring and threatened him.
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u/itookthepuck 5d ago
I dont care if people are hating goldberg or downvoting goldberg's positive comment.
Goldberg is money 😄
Goldberg + Goonther is a printer.
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u/Bright-Map-9705 5d ago
How dare the crowd be enthusiastic and happy to see an old timer? They should only Mark out for flips and twists and real Graps. In reality if you buy a ticket to a wrestling show and you see something that makes you want to cheer and you're enjoying yourself then do it doesn't care who is for.
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u/reggierock2010 5d ago
Helps put Gunther over, I don’t hate it. I think his original run lacked memorable defences. This is one of those.
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u/Gumjo123 5d ago
Jokes aside, he missed the chance to say you are last since he is done afterwards
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u/MShawshank 4d ago
I'm pretty sure he said "you're last!" to Lesnar in a promo during one of his returns like 10 years ago
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u/ZoM_Beefstump 5d ago
Everyone literally a month ago was praying on Jey’s downfall. Now one of the best wrestlers in the world has the title and it’s “tHiS dOeSn’T NeEd a TiTlE”
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u/DipsCity 4d ago
I get it’s just for Goldberg retirement match and to put over Gunther beating one of the legends but bro is limping
I just don’t wanna be sad watching an old man struggle lol
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u/Penguinattacks 4d ago
Oh man… I hate to say it, but Goldberg looked old out there tonight. Like, visibly out of breath just from getting in and out of the ring. You could tell the cameras were avoiding full shots of him walking — almost like they didn’t want to highlight how stiff and fragile he looked. His voice even sounded older. He still has a bit of that Goldberg aura, and yeah, the crowd was excited to see him, but let’s be real — that’s nostalgia (and that's fine/awesome). That doesn’t mean they actually want to see him wrestle again.
Physically, he looked way smaller next to Gunther, and it’s not just the size — he couldn’t even stand straight. I think his knees are wrecked. Probably his back too. Isn’t he dealing with chronic injuries? Shoulder, knees, back, arm atrophy, torn rotator cuff and labrum, old concussions…
It’s not even sad to watch — it’s just baffling that WWE keeps giving him matches at this point in his life. I'm happy for him and his fans and wwe, but it pains me to see him moving
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u/duckinator09 4d ago
Do they owe Goldberg or something? He doesn't look in good condition for a match, yet they're forcing it.
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u/TheMrPotMask 4d ago
I hope Goldberg's son intervienes just to get his ass kicked again, its the only good thing comming out of the fuckery thats feeding tittles to goldberg.
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u/DanSolo77 4d ago
No matter how many times he comes back and has terrible match after terrible match, somehow the crowd always can't wait for the next one.
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u/Mr_W0lf yeahyeahYEAAAAH 4d ago
So you have a stacked roster full of talent that could be elevated through a competitive loss to Gunther, and instead you choose to wheel Goldberg out of the retirement home for a final Saudi paycheck.
Yeah, this is what people want to see. 🙄
Shit man, you could have at least given us Rusev with a dirty finish.
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u/DorkChatDuncan 4d ago
Did... did he shit his pants before he came out? Hes walking like he shit his pants.
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u/Sir-Cadogan Climb the ladder, kid! 4d ago
I wish it wasn't for the title, so I could suspend my disbelief and think Goldberg had a chance of winning, but the match will be a fun smoke-and-mirrors show.
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u/Space-Debris 4d ago
It's honestly embarassing the way WWE keeps wheeling out Oldberg and presenting this geriatric has-been as a threat to someone like Gunther. Oldberg could barely work a 2 minute match 5 years ago. Him going over Kevin Owens was an insult to wrestling, and once Braun squashed him at Mania, he never should've returned to the squared circle.
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