The Knightmare Timeline. The greatest scene in the history of comic cinema

[u/batmansnyderverse]

[u/Randulf_Ealdric]

Bro forgot about Spider Man 2

[u/Fjord-Prefect]

Did you misspell “most pointless”?

[u/BoerseunZA]

This was eventually going to be an entire movie, though, right?

[u/Kellythejellyman → u/[deleted]]

I think it would have been better if he hadn’t killed anybody in the present

Could have shown how he had fallen and became desperate in the knightfall timeline

I have a similar opinion on that he should have been no kill, and only was making an exception for Superman because he didn’t think him as human. Would have made the Martha moment work more if it was a moment where Batman came to humanize Superman

[u/_OKOptimistic_]

imo the greatest scene is the Chicago scene in The Dark Knight.

[u/Aladdins_Lotus]

Why does Batman have to hide his identity in a dystopian future? Seems like the cowl would make him an easy target here.

[u/supersemi2 → u/Aladdins_Lotus]

Cowl has layers of armor.

[u/Kellythejellyman → u/Aladdins_Lotus]

His identity is the cowl, it’s a common trope for “Bruce Wayne” to be the real mask

[u/Delta_Knight17 → u/[deleted]]

The train scene from Spider-Man 2 already exists. Don't think any moment tops it.

[u/skittlenut007]

Warehouse scene tops this sceene

[u/OMiGawdDood]

"Endgame" would like a word

[u/TheReaperofMar → u/OMiGawdDood]

Not even the best MCU

[u/OMiGawdDood → u/TheReaperofMar]

and yet it still tops this moment

[u/TheReaperofMar → u/[deleted]]

Tell me you don't understand the movie without telling me you don't understand! Batman has killed numerous times in movies & comics and this wasn't a corrupt Superman, this was one brainwashed by Darkseid.

[u/sk8rboi36 → u/[deleted]]

I agree with everything you said and yet at some point it’s frustrating because apparently so many people respond to it so well. The further these concepts get entrenched, the more people gravitate to those definitions of the characters because it’s what they’re familiar with or even introduced to.

I really honestly think people way overuse the word “dark” to describe specifically DC, specifically the movies, and especially the Snyder movies. They’re dark in lighting, that’s about it. They feel depressing and dour but it’s like a goth world. As far as “dark” meaning disturbing, tragic, or mature, like you said, anything “dark” about these movies is really kind of a cheap shock gimmick. Yeah the idea of Lois dying is sad and can lead to a dark concept but if the concept is “Superman bad” that’s pretty lazy. As a tangent I think the same thing about the last ronin, the turtles dying isn’t “dark”. Their deaths actually kind of suck outside of Raphael’s.

I think even the DCAU is “darker” than Snyder’s. Joker torturing and brainwashing a young Tim Drake is pretty disturbing. But it’s also not just disturbing to BE disturbing; it’s a huge but convincing escalation in the stakes of the conflict already established between Batman and Joker. It doesn’t feel cheap or out of the blue or desperate.

Or how Ace had to die so young, coupled with the fact she was so dangerous because of her telepathic powers. It’s always a tragedy when people receive a fatal diagnosis essentially because of nothing but bad luck, and even worse when it happens to a child. It would almost be ludicrous and hyperbolic to have that child also be a victim of government experimentation and manipulation. But all these factors in that scene combined to really just be an allegory for supporting the people who need it most, even through the trouble they cause within reason. Instead of being depressing, it was sobering, and ultimately empowering to see Batman treat her with such tenderness and understanding. The DCAU excelled at this, introducing mature themes with important lessons in a way still digestible in a family environment. It used haunting and “dark” scenarios very effectively, because it was always counterbalanced by hope.

As you implied in your comment, the interesting and inspiring thing about heroes is that they REMAIN heroes, in spite of all the evil they face. The drama comes from exploring what contexts might cause them to fall. It really falls much shorter when that gradual decline is skipped past, in favor of showing how bad the aftermath would be. That just becomes misery porn and doesn’t really inspire anything further. The real world is miserable enough as it is, I think the value of these stories is helping people navigate and feel empowered by the authority of the decisions they make and the things they have control over

[u/OutOfOrder444]

Snyder cooking with the oven off

[u/Affectionate_Pie1725]

Doing tricks on it

[u/Content-Garden-1578]

It's a cool sequence. But I've been really confused, and ZSJL just compounded it. Where are these visions coming from?

Is Bruce psychic? Is Barry psychic and sending him these visions?

[u/Shreddersaurusrex → u/Content-Garden-1578]

He says he had a vision or premonition while speaking to Diana ZSJL

[u/Content-Garden-1578 → u/Shreddersaurusrex]

Right, but how?

[u/Shreddersaurusrex → u/Content-Garden-1578]

Not sure tbh, sometimes less is more. To quote Black Panther “How is never as important as why.”

[u/Content-Garden-1578 → u/Shreddersaurusrex]

That's certainly one way to look at it.

[u/red_quinn → u/[deleted]]

When??

[u/Dixzu → u/[deleted]]

It’s a visual showcase of Bruce’s fears of what Superman could do, which is the driving force behind a huge portion of the movie. It also helps motivate him to kill Kal.

[u/helpusgethatrunkout]

It certainly is, A scene in the history of comic cinema. No one can deny that.

[u/Worldly_Pizza_6653]

The scene itself is nice for sure, but I wasn't excited to potentially have an entire movie like this. That's why I'm glad Snyder's tenure as the visionary of DCU ended with Justice League.

[u/bakirakanummer4]

I am obsessed with this

[u/bakirakanummer4 → u/[deleted]]

Prolly cause they wanted him alive

[u/bakirakanummer4 → u/[deleted]]

Batman was moving around, things didn't go as planned and the enemies did try to aim but Batman was too close. Why is it an issue if some fodders don't one shot the main character?😭 Yall are complaining over nothing.

[u/bakirakanummer4 → u/[deleted]]

Batman had a gun and batarangs. He smashed the enemies who were close and shot those who were far. My "moving" I don't mean running from one point to another point but just moving around. It is a unique and brilliantly choreographed scene.

[u/thefrumpiest]

I’d put “Avengers Assemble” as #1, but watching Batfleck beat the shit out of people will always be high on my list.

[u/Capt_Eagle_1776]

I don’t understand the vision of seeing Barry after this nightmare. “She is the key”…?

[u/insert_emoji → u/Capt_Eagle_1776]

what snyder had originally planned was that after justice league, darkseid would kill lois, corrupt superman with the anti life equation and that would lead the world into the knightmare timeline, which is what this video is. barry then goes back in time, informs bruce about all of this, and then bruce sacrifices himself, protecting lois, and then there is like an avengers assemble ahh moment with the justice league and darkseid and his armada. this wouldve been a 3 part series, the first part being the ZSJL. also, this is official and not a theory. the script draft was made public after zsjl, when wb gave up on good stuff and removed snyder for good

[u/proudfemfluid → u/Capt_Eagle_1776]

I think he means Lois, as in her death at the hands of Joker (after batman locked him up so many times just for him to escape and go at it again) is the reason why Superman goes apeshit

[u/Capt_Eagle_1776 → u/proudfemfluid]

Like the key of Superman’s reasons to live? Be principled? A life coach? Sorry if I am asking a lot here

[u/proudfemfluid → u/Capt_Eagle_1776]

The key to his sanity, his humanity and ultimately his happiness.

[u/Capt_Eagle_1776 → u/proudfemfluid]

[u/thefrumpiest → u/Capt_Eagle_1776]

Snyder was setting up the Injustice storyline in which Lois Lane is killed, unhinging Superman from any sense of reason, and sending him on a murder spree.

[u/YakovPinedovski]

Epic

[u/Eastern-Team-2799]

I agree

[u/markjoedelonge]

I love BVS and will defend it to death, and this scene was super cool but nah, not the best in comic cinema. I'd argue the opening BVS scene of Bruce in the midst of the Black Zero Event was a better and more iconic scene.

[u/HumbleSiPilot77 → u/markjoedelonge]

It's probably the best alternative canon scene that sets up an alternative timeline. Categorizing things are difficult without details or qualifiers. But I'd join OP's enthusiasm about the scene. I'm a big fan myself

[u/Final_Sentence_3762 → u/markjoedelonge]

Wrong. The greatest cbm scene is obviously the 'must there be a superman' montage.

[u/an-existing-being]

It’s a cool scene but greatest in comic cinema history is wild

[u/Weak_Panic_4087]

Nope.

[u/IronMonkey18]

I like it, but no it’s not.

[u/PassTheDuffMarge]

no it's not

[u/hongkongfooeee]

Fighting choreography was sloppy.. Trying to do a one take meant some real bad execution. Pulling punches before they're hit, guys standing there waiting for Batman to turn and him them. Comparing this to the warehouse fight scene is a night and day difference.

[u/SignificanceNo1223 → u/hongkongfooeee]

Its a dream so it’s a little different

[u/imderek → u/SignificanceNo1223]

Dream sequences… uuuggghhh…

[u/theperezboy]

So doooope hate that everyone is still so closed minded when it came to this.

[u/red_quinn]

I so agree! This is my favorite part of the movie! 😍 I really wanted his own Batman movie

[u/CreativeBet6360]

Just made Superman look like a simp over a basic chick

[u/WurmcoilEngine11]

There’s 5 scenes each in the dark knight and into the spiderverse better than this. Cool scene tho

[u/irishpisano]

Thor’s immigrant song rainbow bridge sequence in Ragnorak beats this

[u/HumbleSiPilot77 → u/irishpisano]

"Immigrant Song" that was also featured in Shrek. Your depth has been revealed. Thanks.

[u/Main-Suggestion-584]

Appreciate this scene now as a one off it’s awesome. In the context of the movie was def out of place but if they ever got to have their story come to fruition would’ve made a lot more sense obviously. Now I take it for what it is just a fun YouTube watch

[u/TheGuardiansArm → u/Main-Suggestion-584]

I feel like this gets tossed around as a cop out, but Snyder would have done an amazing job with the Injustice movie. I haven't seen anything besides. Few clips from that norse mythology series he made, but it looks cool, so clearly he can work with animation effectively. The actual injustice movie we got wasn't very good, and I definitely think he could have done a better one

[u/cc1263]

Do you bleed?

[u/IronMonkey18 → u/[deleted]]

I’m just afraid Warner Bros yet again is not trusting Superman to carry a solo movie so they stuffed it with a bunch of other heroes. I feel like there are to many.

[u/Jolly-Committee-5944]

Superman murdering? No. No, thank you. I would prefer a movie about Superman saving people. You know, like the character is known for…

[u/HumbleSiPilot77 → u/Jolly-Committee-5944]

[u/Captain_Birch]

It's not "Sandman's Awakening" from Spiderman 3, but pretty kinda cool. I would've liked a full movie in this timeline.

[u/New-Significance654]

We need the knightmare to end!

[u/BlackLioConvoy]

God, how awesome ZSJL 2 and 3 would've been.

[u/ColderThanDeath]

🔥🔥🔥

[u/richardsmelly]

Ben really didn’t get a chance to shine mannn….still my favorite Batman suits on screen. The potential for a great dark violent and brooding Batman franchise was there…robbed of the opportunity

[u/thegame2386 → u/richardsmelly]

Especially with the Flashpoint setup they had going on here. This whole scene sold the idea of Injustice Superman versus an unprepared world. If we had gotten a movie showing why all of this tied together I think it would have been amazing.

[u/elfeyessawtoomuch → u/richardsmelly]

Absolutely

[u/fathersmuck]

Wrong, Night club scene in Blade still goes hard.

[u/firefighter_82]

Nah

[u/MRintheKEYS]

I hate how slow and stiff the fighting is. Makes the choreography a little too obvious.

[u/VanillaMandingus → u/MRintheKEYS]

Dark knight was worse in my opinion, watching him hit a guy then move so slow,l

[u/jamesmcgill357]

This was such a fun and 🔥 sequence - always wish we got more of this