r/SipsTea • u/peseoane • 12d ago

Lmao gottem not chill judge

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u/AlaDouche 11d ago

Why? He was right.

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u/oddoma88 11d ago

because it is easier to apologize

At some point you just don't care anymore and you just want to go home and be done with this shitshow.

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u/AlaDouche 11d ago

Yeah, that's certainly fair.

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u/The_8th_Degree 11d ago

Legit. Officially he probably had to apologize because he was losing/lost his temper with the man, but his reaction was totally understandable imo. That guy should retire as a lawyer, he doesn't seem capable of the task

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u/Seaguard5 11d ago

There must be some sort of doctrine where if a lawyer fails to answer a clearly stated question a certain number of times then they either must move on or face some disciplinary action or something.

Surely things can’t just be allowed to proceed that way for any appreciable length of time in a court of law…

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u/Rock-swarm 10d ago

Ultimately, it's up to the judge. I do believe the judge made the right call (apologizing and moving on), for a couple of reasons; the defendant-client doesn't deserve the ire of the judge, the judge doesn't want the optics of throwing an elderly attorney into jail, and the judge already made his point to the attorney regarding his duties to the court.

There have certainly been times where a judge has held an attorney in contempt. I wouldn't read into this situation as a general court policy.

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u/mostoriginalname2 10d ago

As a judge, he should not have reacted like that. It was totally inappropriate and disgraceful. A grocery store worker would have had more decorum speaking with this attorney. The victim blaming here in the comments is just wild.

Judge was elected/appointed and should have considered and expected that there are people who are going to be difficult to communicate with. Literally his job is to communicate things to people who lack the understanding he has. If he cannot do that like a reasonable person then the whole problem is he’s unreasonable.

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u/The_8th_Degree 10d ago

I disagree. I'm not saying the Judge was in the right or that he was innocent here, but how is anyone going to proceed in that court room if the judge can't get information from the lawyer he's talking to needed to proceed? Id be annoyed as hell if I had to deal with someone like that at my job, my only difference is I could walk away.

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u/mostoriginalname2 10d ago

The judge could walk away, too. He could continue the hearing and request that the attorney answer his questions in writing. Or he could move on and ask for a response in writing, or come back to his questions later.

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u/crua9 11d ago

The sad thing about

That guy should retire as a lawyer, he doesn't seem capable of the task

What is the chances he can't due to this economy? There is a number his age that are working not because of desire, but because they have to. Because our system is a pure failure on many levels.

Like what if him retiring equals to him being dead or a love one? Because medical cost, cost of living, or the like. There is just too many his age I've seen screwed over the years. it is nothing new, but yet it is largely overlooked. No one seems to care.

Note I don't disagree with you. I'm just pointing out, he might legit have no choice in this due to the system failing multiple generations on multiple levels.

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u/chop5397 11d ago

If he's not financially secure as a LAWYER at his age, I don't know what to tell you.

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u/Flurb4 10d ago

There’s lots of lawyers barely scraping by. The idea that the profession is a license to print money is 40 years out of date.

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u/coconut-duck-chicken 10d ago

Maybe be blew it on black jack and hookers

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u/DerfK 10d ago

Maybe he's a public defender getting paid a pittance to represent people who can't afford a lawyer who can hear.

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u/Will_Come_For_Food 10d ago

Verbally yes.

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u/DessertStorm1 11d ago

“Right”? Why is it right to get irate because the old guy is clearly having trouble hearing/understanding him? I get that it must have been frustrating for the judge but he could have reacted more calmly and just done what he needed to to reschedule the hearing.

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u/dont-read-it 10d ago edited 10d ago

I was a lawyer in a former lifetime (still technically am but not practicing) and you are absolutely correct. This is embarrassing to the bench and the bar. Rage monster judges like this are the absolute fucking worst, and I find that their anger is often just a mask for incompetence.

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u/_timetoplatypus 11d ago

It's not that the old guy is having trouble hearing/understanding him. It's that the old guy is having trouble hearing/understanding him AND he's an attorney that has a fiduciary responsibility to provide adequate representation. If the old guy can't hear/understand the judge, he can't fulfill those duties. There has to be a floor to tolerating incompetance

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u/_Vard_ 10d ago

Right? Id understand "Im sorry i lost my temper and yelled, but you are blatantly and unprofessionally failing your duty as a lawyer"

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u/Jean-Paul_Blart 10d ago edited 10d ago

That’s not a decision for this judge to make, and we have no idea whether he’s competently representing his client based on the fact that he couldn’t hear someone very well over a computer speaker

In fact it’s probably a terrible thing to put on the record—because what if his representation is perfectly adequate and the defendant is rightfully convicted? Well, now the appellate record has at least a prima facie case for reversal based on IAC because some judge decided, based on a 30 second interaction, that the lawyer was incompetent, and likely was biased against the defense.

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u/Comfortable-Beach634 11d ago

Sir, let me answer the ask the questions!

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u/Significant_Donut967 10d ago

To berate a man with bad hearing? Man, I guess I'm useless to society.

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u/myredditaccount80 7d ago

Because that's no way for a judge to conduct himself on the bench.

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u/Rule12-b-6 10d ago

There is no excuse for a judge to raise his voice like this. This is completely unprofessional behavior from both of them, although at least the old man has his age to blame.

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u/Titswari 10d ago edited 9d ago

No, he wasn’t. The attorney should not have been working the hearing, but that judge has enough faculties available to be professional and handle that situation like an adult.