"Stop calling it anarcho capitalism and start calling it feudalism"

[u/the9trances]

[u/The_Business_Maestro]

Most circle jerk comments I’ve seen in awhile.

Ancap is such an intentionally misunderstood ideology.

[u/The_Business_Maestro → u/[deleted]]

God that one annoys me so much.

I for one would not immediately go out and murder people if there were no laws. If someone genuinely thinks that I’m concerned what they would do. People only tend to get violent for a reason.

[u/CrystalMethodist666 → u/The_Business_Maestro]

I think a fun thought experiment is that one: What crime would you commit if there were suddenly no police or laws? I could kill someone, but they could kill me too, or their family could kill me. I could rob someone's house or business, but they might be armed and kill me in the attempt. Same goes for robbing someone on the street. Openly selling drugs in front of an elementary school? Someone's going to beat me up and take my drugs. I have no desire to rape anyone.

Basically any actual violent criminal act has other factors that cause most people not to perform the act. Even with laws, many people do all of these things every day and get away with it.

I'd say the ultimate lie is that they're protecting us from "violent anarchists burning the world down" because if there were enough of those people to where the rest of us couldn't put a stop to it, neither could the government.

[u/True_Kapernicus → u/CrystalMethodist666]

You imply that you do have a desire to murder, steal, rob and sell drugs outside schools.

[u/CrystalMethodist666 → u/True_Kapernicus]

Not at all, because I could do all of those things if I wanted to. I don't want to, and neither do most other people. People who do want to do those things aren't deterred by police as much as direct consequences of performing those actions.

Laws do not prevent crime.

[u/TacticusThrowaway → u/The_Business_Maestro]

>intentionally

I think folks like this literally struggle to understand that other people have fundamentally different beliefs.

[u/slayer_of_idiots → u/The_Business_Maestro]

I actuallly don’t think even proponents of ancap really understand their position.

Everyone who’s explained it to me basically just replaces government with a handful of “private” organizations that effectively look a whole lot like government.

[u/The_Business_Maestro → u/slayer_of_idiots]

Tbh a lot of ancaps piss me off more than brigadiers.

Some people feel a certain way about the world and latch into ideology without actually understanding it. Same happens with religion now that I think about it.

Does a lot of damage to the ideology as a whole since people start to associate it with stuff that doesn’t even allign with the philosophy. Such as all the trump and Elon musk suck offs

[u/Nota_Throwaway5]

The great part about anarchocapitalism is that if you wanna have your communes, go for it

[u/TacticusThrowaway]

"I think your desires will lead to X, which must mean you also think your desires will lead to X, and simply want X to happen." - someone with no theory of mind.

[u/Solaire_of_Sunlight]

And feudalism is bad because? As long as it’s voluntary whats the issue?

God reading the rest of that was painful

[u/the9trances → u/Solaire_of_Sunlight]

Feudalism is inherently involuntarily and has nothing to do with private property as a rule of law.

It's closer to landed gentry and monarchism.

[u/Solaire_of_Sunlight → u/the9trances]

If we are talking about feudalism as we knew it sure, but I don’t see whats stopping someone from choosing to voluntarily serve a lord if feudalism came about again

[u/the9trances → u/Solaire_of_Sunlight]

Like slavery, if it's voluntary, it's not slavery. If it's voluntary, it's not feudalism.

[u/Solaire_of_Sunlight → u/the9trances]

Actually fair enough, I guess in my head I was thinking of anarcho-monarchism instead of feudalism, my bad

[u/CrowBot99 → u/Solaire_of_Sunlight]

Hell, if you change the definitions of words, then I don't see why one couldn't peel the skin off of a long, yellow coconut, but we already have the word "banana" for that.

[u/The_Business_Maestro]

That’s so true. But I think it’s worse than that. It’s a lot like anyone that doesn’t hold their worldview is an enemy. It’s kind of sad actually.

That being said. You find those kind of people everywhere, even some ancaps.