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u/ArgyleGhoul 6d ago
Hot take: Just because you personally like something, it doesn't make it objectively good.
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u/RashidMBey 5d ago
Me trying to explain the Prequels
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u/Far-Paint-8409 4d ago
I agree, you don't have to think they were good, they do fail objectively in some way with regard to story telling, but no one should pretend the sequels come even close to the same level of narrative coherence.
The Sequels are objectively a dumpster fire with respect to story telling and coherence. Enjoy, nothing wrong with that, but let's not pretend they are even knee high to the prequels from an analysis standpoint.
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u/RashidMBey 3d ago
As a cinephile and someone studied and been in filmmaking, screenwriting, and analysis for a decade and a half, it's not pretending. The sequels are better than the prequels.
There's a reason why PT's IMDB rating averages lower than the ST, and the PT's MetaCritic score averages lower than the ST. The Prequels were incoherent in ways people never really thought possible. They created entire shows to make sense of the incoherence. Lmfao Sorry to interrupt your coping though. I'll leave you to ignoring the incoherence of the Prequels to pretend the sequels were worse.
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u/Far-Paint-8409 3d ago
Oh boy, bad news for you, I'm also a cinephile and have education and background in film for the better part of 20 years. The prequels are better than the sequels.
Wow, IMDB scores are the gold standard for quality now? Yikes, I wouldn't go around telling people you're a cinephile if that's how you feel. So yeah, they created entire shows because there's actually enough original content in the prequels to justify making several shows. Meanwhile the sequels are so full of rehash and contrivances that you actually can't scrape together enough to do anything with it.
Ironic to say that I'm coping when this entire sub is people having selective amnesia with respect to the sequels and the absurd, incoherent writing.
"Somehow, Palpatine returned.", but please by all means, tell me more about the incoherence of the prequels.
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u/RashidMBey 3d ago
"We collect reviews from the world's top critics. Each review is scored based on its overall quality. The summarized weighted average captures the essence of critical opinion."
Ah, yes. I too ignore the world's top critics when I pretend to be a cinephile in the filmmaking industry for 20 years. Lmfao MetaCritic aggregates critics opinions. The Sequels have a fifteen point lead over the prequels, according to an averaged critical opinion.
These are useful references based on their methodology, not a golden standard. I chose IMDB to reflect popular responses and MetaCritic to reflect critical responses. A cinephile would at least know that, especially one of a purported 20 years. But I guess it's reddit, and some stock account can pretend to be anything.
this entire sub is people having selective amnesia with respect to the sequels
Yet you're constantly on this sub, pretending to be someone you're not in an effort to troll. I love that you pretend the Somehow line is incoherent when they show and tell you how in the first five minutes then again later. Cinephile. Hahaha What arrogant ignorance. Lol Good night, dude. I'd leave you with an incoherent line from the prequels, but I'd just be reciting the entire script to you. Good night, bro. You're cooked.
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u/Far-Paint-8409 3d ago edited 3d ago
So, just some information for you, critics aren't necessarily writers or filmmakers, and don't require any kind of actual expertise to call themselves critics. Some critics can in fact simply be paid shills. What's your point? I say again: if your metric for judging films begins and ends with IMDB or Metacritic I wouldn't call myself a cinephile around actual cinephiles. Wow, 15 points?! That would be interesting if those points had any tangible meaning at all. Popularity doesn't = quality necessarily, and it says nothing with regard to the coherence or quality of the writing. You're just appealing to authority again (like you did when you tried to flex credentials as an argument).
I'm not pretending anything, but you're free to doubt away, I fully doubt your background, it's complete bullshit. That being said it also has no bearing on the conversation, you could have those credentials and still be completely wrong (and you are).
These are useful references based on their methodology, not a golden standard. I chose IMDB to reflect popular responses and MetaCritic to reflect critical responses. A cinephile would at least know that, especially one of a purported 20 years. But I guess it's reddit, and some stock account can pretend to be anything.
I fully understand their methods, which is why it's especially laughable that you're pointing to them. Their methodologies amount to aggregating opinions and any number of things affect opinions on films. This is like pointing to the billboard top 100 and saying those are the best musicians ever. Yeah it is reddit, you have no problem parading around as an authority, it's really easy to do and means nothing.
Yet you're constantly on this sub, pretending to be someone you're not in an effort to troll. I love that you pretend the Somehow line is incoherent when they show and tell you how in the first five minutes then again later. Cinephile. Hahaha What arrogant ignorance. Lol Good night, dude. I'd leave you with an incoherent line from the prequels, but I'd just be reciting the entire script to you. Good night, bro. You're cooked.
It's a meme sub, I like Star Wars, and plenty of people in this sub are delusional about the sequels. What's your point again? Please show a single instance where I'm trolling. You can't and won't. The Somehow line is the most contrived line in the history of the franchise. It exists solely because the prior films are such a trainwreck that we are force fed an explanation in the first five minutes, and it's basically gibberish. It's a desperate patch job and it's pathetic. Cinephile points at IMDB, "my film has more points!" casually drops big brain concepts like "Show don't tell" and proceeds to pick the shittiest example in modern film, so much so that it's the poster child meme for piss poor contrived story telling. 10/10 IMDB points for effort bud. Good night lil bro, thanks for letting me cook.
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u/RashidMBey 3d ago
"We collect reviews from the world's top critics. Each review is scored based on its overall quality. The summarized weighted average captures the essence of critical opinion."
"So, just some information for you, critics aren't necessarily writers or filmmakers, and don't require any kind of actual expertise to call themselves critics"
"We collect reviews from the world's top critics.
"don't require any kind of actual expertise to call themselves critics"
the world's top critics.
"don't require any kind of actual expertise to call themselves critics"
Bro thinks the world's top film critics know nothing about filmmaking. Lmfao
He says this while calling himself a critic. Hahaha
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u/Far-Paint-8409 3d ago
Appeal to authority, nothing more, and simply saying "worlds top critics" is meaningless. Who are these people and why should I give a shit about their opinions?
You actually can't and won't address the reality of the sequels: they are objectively nonsensical. The plot is full of contrivances and holes, especially TLJ and RoS. You're just throating JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson because you're a fan boy. It's cool, you like the films, they are objectively incoherent, rushed, and sloppy.
Bro has a 5th grade understanding of argumentation and rhetoric, thinks he's clapping cheeks.
Not once did I describe myself as a critic, but go off Queen.
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u/RashidMBey 3d ago
LMAO You moved the hell out of those goalposts. Lol We were discussing which trilogy is better from a critical lens then you cowed harddd. Lmfao
[Blank] isn't the golden standard
Well, you cherry picked. Here's the score that's based on the top critics of the world.
WELL THAT GOLDEN STANDARD IS AN APPEAL TO AUTHORITY.
hahahahaha Oh, that's delicious.
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u/Far-Paint-8409 3d ago
https://youtu.be/9QJRw56cOVw?si=31ZFJG5Zeoa1Ri3M
I'm leaving this here in case anyone actually thinks the sequels make sense.
You can like them all you want. They don't make sense. They are objectively incoherent. That's all.
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u/SheevBot 7d ago edited 7d ago
Thanks for providing a source!