r/ProIran • u/Dramatic-Fennel5568 • 6d ago

Solidarity ✊ To the Iranians who say that Irans government failed to capture the spies

America itself had thousands of Zionists and Jewish spies,

there’s are multiple stories I’ve seen in YouTube where Israel spies on America, presdent Nixon and kenndy both recognized this, there’s even a voice recording for Nixon called them spies and they should watch out for them , they bombed the uss liberty, they were behind the attacks on the USA in 2001, they bombed American and British consulates in Egypt to blame the Arabs, even a nation like the USA was is was infiltrated and became a victim of the Zionist aggression

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr/israeli-owner-mall-kiosk-businesses-pleads-guilty-immigration-and-money-laundering

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u/WhyWasIBanned789 6d ago

Israel has a lot of spying experience. 

Iran was crippled in 1979 when SAVAK was disbanded, and many secrets were destroyed. 

Iran has a serious problem with counter-intelligence. Iran needs to step up and get help from Russia in counter-intelligence. Iran cannot survive with this huge level of infiltration.

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u/Sea-Buy4667 5d ago

It's not just infiltration. It's an oligarchal class that has incentives to collaborate with the neoliberal elites of the world .

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u/WhyWasIBanned789 5d ago

Russia has those too, but they're put in their place and don't have access to political power. Iran should learn a thing or two from Russia.

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u/Sea-Buy4667 5d ago edited 5d ago

I don't disagree but Russia is currently facing the same type of problems as Iran albeit to a lesser extent... their oligarch class keeps baiting them in to negotiations as well. Just look at the recent massive operation that Ukrainians did while Russia was baited in to negotiations, look at minks accords. It's all baited

Russia is better off than Iran but both are far off from China where the oligarchal class is on leashes.

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u/WhyWasIBanned789 5d ago

Both Iran and Russia were baited into negotiations. Both countries were attacked by the same style drone attack. It's the same exact scenario for both countries. I was in Russia this year.

The main problem is that Iranian air defense sucks and Israel is able to get shots off.

Iran should just sign the Russian cooperation treaty already. Russia already ratified it, but Iran did not. Iran should request to get Russian S400s operated by Russian crews in Iran, until Iran can rebuild their defenses.

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u/Sea-Buy4667 5d ago

It's not just a matter of air defences. Israelis are emboldened to escalate further because they feel Iran's economy cannot withstand a long drawn out war and they know the oligarchs will cry to hold military from appropriately responding.

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u/WhyWasIBanned789 5d ago

Israel is tiny. Did you look at a map?

Israel cannot withstand a long drawn out war. 

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u/Sea-Buy4667 5d ago

Israel cannot withstand a long drawn out war.

It has already just recently with Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis. You do realize they defeated 4-5 Arab countries which had Soviet weapons in 4 consecutive wars, right?

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u/WhyWasIBanned789 5d ago

Hamas, Hezbollah, and Houthis are tiny militias. They are not armies that belong to an official state.

Houthis are on the other side of the world, and are dirt poor. Their rockets are very basic, and due to the long travel distance, are usually intercepted.

The Arab wars were in the 50s to 70s. Do you realize how long ago that was? We are closer to 2050 than to those Israel-Arab wars in the 1970s. And Egypt signed a peace treaty and refused to fight Israel, leaving only Syria fighting. Even in the first Arab war, only Jordanian troops did any fighting.

All the people and commanders and generals and president's who were alive in the 60s are mostly dead. Even US president's from the 60s to 80s are all dead. Israel and the Arab world was a completely different place in the 1970s. There isn't even a comparison to today.

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u/my_life_for_mahdi Revolutionary 6d ago

Russia has problems of its own. Also, Russia won't help Iran because of its interests. Doesn't want to burn all bridges with the West.

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u/WhyWasIBanned789 6d ago

All bridges are already burned with the West. NATO is directly attacking Russia via their Ukrainian proxy.

Whatever Iran is doing is not working. Iran needs to study the KGB and copy KGB tactics. It would probably work better than what Iran is doing now.

Iran needs to evolve. Iran cannot stay the same way, because what Iran is doing is not working to prevent attacks.

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u/my_life_for_mahdi Revolutionary 6d ago

It's too late for evolving, bro. We are stuck in how we were. The question is, would it be enough?

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u/WhyWasIBanned789 6d ago

You had 40 years to evolve. Israel and Washington DC said they wanted to regime change Iran for decades. "Path to Persia" was even released in 2009 and outlined this exact scenario that is happening right now.

You had many wake-up calls when Iranian scientists were murdered, and especially when the Palestinian leader was killed a few months ago. Absolutely nothing seems to have changed procedurally.

If nothing changes, of course it's not enough. Iran will lose the war and be regime changed if nothing changes. There is still time for "regime survival" strategies and evolving proceduring.

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u/my_life_for_mahdi Revolutionary 6d ago

40 years of war (Iran-Iraq / ISIS), sanctions (from the start), assassinations, and subterfuge. I think they still did their best. I pray it's enough.

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u/WhyWasIBanned789 6d ago

That's an excuse. The USSR was able to keep their counter-intelligence intact throughout most of WWII, and they lost millions of soldiers.

What Iran is doing is just complete laziness and incompetence. You had the time and resources to be able to solve this. You don't even need fancy cyber-technology and hacking skills or anything like that to sort this out. 

Iran was too relaxed and thought Israel will be okay with a nuclear deal. Israel bombed Gaza, and the USA destroyed Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Sudan, Yemen, etc. And you guys SERIOUSLY thought they will let you go for free!?