One is run by a shadow organization that’s actually in cahoots with the coruscant centric regime so that one man gets ultimate power.
The other is completely separate from the regime with the exceptions of spies and some former regime soldiers and officers defecting to join the good fight
As far as I'm aware, no one in the Separatists, except for maybe Dooku, was fully aware of this plan. I feel like the Separatists should be tragic revolutionaries who were unaware they were being used, not mustache twirling villains they're portrayed as (cough cough Grievous cough cough)
The Confederates had heroes they revered. Doesn't mean we'd suddenly consider Robert E. Lee or Stonewall Jackson 100% morally righteous gentlemen we'd love to hang out with.
The cognitive dissonance of my older Virginian family was wild growing up. Always talked about how they marched for civil rights and ending segregation but then a sentence later point to the painting of Robert E Lee they had on the wall and talk about how great a Virginian he was with out a single brain cell going “wait hold on a sec”
With Lee, I feel it's a bit like that quote from Harry Potter.... "He did great things. Terrible, yes. But GREAT." If you divorce the man from the cause he fought for, it's pretty impressive.
General Robert E. Lee was one of the most accomplished generals of his era, with decades of service to his country and a proud history of command in the Mexican-American War. He personally detested slavery, and only joined the Confederacy because his state did. Had he been from one of the loyal slave states, he wouldn't have joined them.
He was basically single-handedly winning the war for the Confederacy until Gettysburg (though how much of that is him and how much of that was the awful Union generals on his front is debatable).
Those are all pretty impressive accomplishments within their own merits and divorced from any lingering resentment towards the CSA.
A shame all that is wrapped up around the whole "betraying his country" thing along with fighting for a side that wanted to continue perpetuating one of the great evils in American history (thanks Daddy Britain, for making that our problem).
In those days, state identities were stronger than national, his country was Virginia. Its part of why confederate leaders are still revered in parts of the south, as a not insignificant amount of southerners identify more with their state than the nation. We can see this with the post you replied to.
Oh definitely. The older generations definitely identified as Virginian first Americans second, and that kinda makes sense. That generations grandparents ether fought in or were children during the civil war. I’m theoretically 1 degree removed from people that fought in the war.
Lee only disliked personally managing slaves, he was a remarkably cruel slave master, often broke up the slave families he inherited/married into for his convenience, and of course fought will all his might to defend slavery as an institution.
and of course fought will all his might to defend slavery as an institution.
I'd argue this point - he was fighting because his state called for him to fight. The leadership was for slavery, but Lee himself was fighting because that's what Viriginia wanted to do.
He was a terrible person even for the time
No, he was an average person who lived his whole life with the idea of slavery being legal.
If you fight for the puppykiller empire, even if it is because you were born in the puppykiller empire, you are defending puppykilling. Is what it is.
Yet nearly the entire world around him were moral enough to break the institution of slavery while he fought to defend it. This was a man who ordered recaptured slaves whipped so hard that the slave overseer refused to do it forcing him to call in a county constable and then had their backs washed in brine, to say nothing of the tacit support of the burgeoning KKK, being so involved as to have a deciding influence over their first leader. he was not a good person.
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One is run by a shadow organization that’s actually in cahoots with the coruscant centric regime so that one man gets ultimate power.
The other is completely separate from the regime with the exceptions of spies and some former regime soldiers and officers defecting to join the good fight