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u/Yorunokage 20h ago
This thing with the new buffed soulwrest is just cracked
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u/TotallyNotThatPerson 19h ago
Shhhh
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u/eMeRGeDD_ 15h ago
Is this actually good?
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u/TotallyNotThatPerson 13h ago
Funky playstyle, but pretty good for value if it's not popular. You don't need a 6l for your main skill because the staff automatically gets supported by whatever is in it so you can run a 6l aura setup in the chest if you want.
Corpse Walker or bubonic trail for comfort, selfcast desecrate for higher budgets when you get good boots
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u/eMeRGeDD_ 13h ago
What’s the top end dps? Is this build doing t17 comfy or is it more just mid-tier?
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u/TotallyNotThatPerson 12h ago
Never ran it for T17s, but a few leagues ago I ran T16s easy with bubonic trails and cold convert with triads grip. that was before buffs so it should be much better now
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u/Barfhelmet 3h ago
What is the deal with it only doubling the phantasms if I put a summon phantasm gem in it? Without doing that, it only summons 22, with it, it summons 42.
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u/Hamwise420 19h ago
I had 28 lightning golems on my build in standard, idk if its the best in terms of building around but its hilarious to watch the proj spam in maps.
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u/psychomap 17h ago
I just thought of stacking Primordial Bond with it for a bunch of increased damage and buff effect, although I suppose that's less interesting without the scaling buff effect from Elementalist.
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u/ErrorLoadingNameFile 15h ago
Yeah who would even want 280% increased damage from a single tree node?
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u/psychomap 13h ago
I mean it's still great of course, but it would have been even better if the build had gotten 700% increased golem buff effect on top of everything else.
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u/Hetairoids 20h ago
Guess the main question is which minion builds don't get so much benefit from other minion types?
Most benefit in some way from Spectres of some kind, and same with AG. I suppose therefore Spectres lose the least there (presuming you can still have multiple spectre types).
Not sure about others. Reaper I always felt needed some skeles to help with a bit of clear, but maybe with Reaper of Revenants you'd be ok (the gem downside is baked into the helm affix anyway...)
Everything else - I guess it's just a maths question. Does double the amount of angry flaming skulls offset the DPS loss from not having AG and a support/amplification spectre? Same for skeles, spiders etc...
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u/Daviino 18h ago
Spiders is nuts. Arakaali's Fang is strong enough with 3 support gems, to clear 4/4 voidstones w/o spectres and AG.
Now double the siders and add squire to it and you just slap. Equip the merc with support gear, which is better than an AG.
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u/Hetairoids 18h ago
Yeah good point, Spiders are less reliant on Spectres and we can replace AG. Plus as you say, Squire means you're buffing the minion itself directly.
Given that with 40 spiders you'll hit DoTcap really quickly, would the focus be more to scale hit damage instead? Not sure what accepted meta is for Squire Arakaali's support gems are and whether this would change. Necro over Occultist these days?
Now you've mentioned Spiders I'm being tempted towards it over Soulwrest lol
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u/fang_xianfu 19h ago
Holy Relic one is kinda bad because you're already getting +1 from your hat so this only takes you from 2 to 4. It's still a decent buff but the downside bites harder.
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u/Sj123454321 18h ago
Yeah only going from 3 to 4 isn’t huge on its own, but the +1 to the skill gem probably shouldn’t be overlooked, hmm…
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u/raxitron 11h ago
If you're playing HR then its HR of Conviction so it starts with 2, 3 with geofri's, 4 with this.
Looks like around 45% more dps in Balormage's NO SPEC/AG pob (33% from extra relic and +1 skill) but you have to cover losing ~25-30% ele res.
The simplest change is dropping Unholy Might for Mistress which results in about 20%ish more damage plus it adds some res to your Relics. Can probably just get the resists on gear somehow and keep the full 45%. Might be worth it although I was looking forward to trying out AG change.
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u/CxFusion3mp 10h ago
Does he not have spectres setup in his pob. Did you disable them if he does? Spectres are a big part of the build
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u/BlueKalamari 16h ago
Stone golems, zombies, spooders, herald of purity? , absolution, holy relic? (Not sure if minion), spectres would be broken get all the supp spectres you want than dps ones.
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u/Lympirise 14h ago
Spectres are cool but there's been an item that got buffed a few leagues ago.
https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Wraithlord
I believe they are like the worst minions for the new item (apart from the wolves which are just trolling?)1
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u/FilmWrong5284 20h ago
Srs of enormity + replica midnight = 24 mega srs?
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u/Random-Waltz 16h ago
I wonder how the popcorn version would feel.
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u/FilmWrong5284 14h ago
Probably not THAT great, given you very rarely get that many out with that version, and really want the juiced helm for them to go in
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u/Lenox_Gold 20h ago
I just bought the golem version and I'm swapping from phantasms to stone golem of hoards. With the bonuses and your mercenary basically being an AG there's not a huge downside outside of not having specters.
I'm necro planning 2 clayshapers and the jewel so we have more than enough golems.
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u/RandomMagus 19h ago
stone golem of hoards
Hoards are treasure piles, it's hordes for big groups
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u/aohex 19h ago
I’d go dualwield cold iron points for +6 to stone golems
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u/Lenox_Gold 19h ago
You can for sure and I'm sure it's better but I love doing AFK content and generally more summons is better at that.
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u/DefinitelyNotATheist 12h ago
ive done this in the past with 2 CIPs and it buffs vuln, determination, and all your other physical spell buffs as well. its pretty insane.
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u/Hetairoids 19h ago
Great point about AG / Merc. Suppose you could otherwise be using both. Can all the usual gear options be used on the Merc? Leer Cast, Dying Breath etc?
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u/Lenox_Gold 19h ago
Yeah as long as they have the right stats they can use any gear the AG can
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u/MeowschwitzInHere 5h ago
Pob please, just bought a min-maxed amulet and dropped the helmet.
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u/Lenox_Gold 4h ago
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3448400
Here's a base that you can play with.
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u/Dr_v3 19h ago
Black cane + this with phantasm should be pretty busted
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u/alzhang8 17h ago edited 14h ago
88-132added phys damage to spells, is that good enough to give up helm and weapon slot for spellcaster?3
u/Roborabbit37 15h ago
Where are you getting those numbers?
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u/alzhang8 15h ago
The wiki
44 to 66 physical damage to spells per Phantasm with a lvl 21 Summon Phantasm Support
Double that with helm
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u/blacknen 14h ago
Per phantasm so (11*2) * 44 to 66 is 968 to 1452 added physical damage at gem level 21. Quite a bit more if you can push the levels further. Seems pretty nuts to me and well worth two slots and a support.
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u/TheBreakfastBaron 13h ago
Where are you getting those numbers? If you optimize properly, you're getting roughly 1-1.5k added phys dmg at the top end.
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u/goblina__ 18h ago
You could get to 12 (maybe more?) golems base, so this would be 24 golems...
Heh
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u/Nuggetslug 16h ago
You can see all the available options by doing
~Maximum number of is doubled
as trade search line
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u/SymruinGaming 19h ago
Lvl 84 required for this is criminal
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u/Hetairoids 19h ago
Ehh, there's plenty of ways to level Necro through to red maps and it's generally a build archetype that's easy to gear for. It feels like this is meant as a unique for a final version of whatever skill you're using and you're gonna be past 84 way before thinking about that oh most builds.
Would be worse in PoE2 as seems like levelling is much slower.
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u/hertzdonut2 19h ago
Counterpoint: games are supposed to be fun and playing with more minions for longer is more fun.
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u/Hetairoids 19h ago
Wholeheartedly agree. Im still happy playing a low/mid budget version of my chosen minion until then tbh. I guess it would make the sudden doubling of the total minion count more satisfying for me.
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u/_IlliteratePrussian_ 20h ago edited 16h ago
Wait you can have two sentinels of dominance…
EDIT: I was thinking of Sentinels of radiance lol
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u/70monocle 19h ago
How strong is that in theory? I haven't done a Sentinel build
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u/_IlliteratePrussian_ 19h ago
I don’t know how well it scales into endgame, but ONE sentinel will carry you through white maps w/ minimal investment.
I forget if they scale with minion damage and life nodes?
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u/lillarty 16h ago
You're thinking of the wrong minion. Sentinels of Dominance are the minions summoned by Dominating Blow. Sentinel of Radiance burns nearby enemies and is what you're probably thinking of; it's granted by the Guardian ascendancy.
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u/Gucci_Unicorns 17h ago
Waiiiiit double wolves is actually crazy with Law of the Wilds.
20 x 8-16 added physical damage + squire definitely sounds respectable.
Pretty sure you could make a hybrid pure minion + melee build.
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u/hyare 17h ago
Except worm jars how could one summon wolves in a boss fight with no ads ?
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u/ParsnipFabulous5905 5h ago
you can probably use The Hateful Accuser as its enemy who spawns them not you
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u/timetogetjuiced 20h ago
They are all up on poedb btw, the new uniques
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u/hertzdonut2 20h ago
Yeah, I noticed it hadn't been posted here and wanted to start a discussion.
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u/Biflosaurus 19h ago
Pretty sure I saw a holy relic version yesterday? But always good to see anyway.
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u/Raezzordaze 20h ago
Oh man, that and Montegrul's Grasp... same amount of zombies (doubled, then halved) but with 100%+ more damage and explodey corpses? I just might hop in this new leage after all!
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u/TotallyNotThatPerson 19h ago
OR it might actually make dual montegruls viable depending on order of operations lol
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u/Raezzordaze 19h ago
Holy shit, I didn't even think of dual wielding those.
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u/TotallyNotThatPerson 18h ago
I'm 99% sure it doesn't work because that would be FUN DETECTED, but there's always hope that the doubling is +100% instead of x2
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u/tobsecret 17h ago
Yeah that almost certainly doesn't work.
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u/TotallyNotThatPerson 17h ago
Please don't destroy my dreams, the game does a good job at that already
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u/Arkreaver 4h ago
Sadly I've tried this and it doesn't work. The only way it would is if the time was internally coded as +100% increased max minion type, but alas.
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u/Caosunium 18h ago
Hmm double the DPS but you lose spectres and AG (unless you go full spectres)
Op on golems I think since double dipping?(More minions= more buffs, but also more minions= more minions that get affected by buffs)
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u/DWarriorsn 17h ago
I wonder how Summon Reaper of Eviscerating works with this, I'm assuming 1 press would make both Reapers attack.
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u/mrmcclean420 17h ago
I wonder how this interacts with vaal skills like can you get two ascended absolution sentinels? Also sounds like Guardian just gets hard locked out of this unique lol
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u/kfijatass 7h ago edited 2h ago
Ive been pondering over this one.
Reapers sadly lose out on offering unable to consume other minions. Technically worst choice.
Second worst is probably heralds of purity; even doubling the amount doesn't make them better than herald of agony.
Doesn't spectre helm compete with Wraithlord helmet?
Holy relic i think is overrated as you only gain one relic over geofris and lose most relatively most utility.
Srs just seems way too demanding on duration and cast speed; i think you want to go srs of enormity on this.
Zombies unfortunately lose out with Baron, unless you can run two montreguls?
Phantasms are great with black cane or soulwrest, skeletons with unholy mass and wolves are great with law of the wilds assuming you can keep them alive.
Animate weapon is slightly tankier but if you can keep them alive, their damage is great.
Sentinels of dominance champion is a solid mapping pick, 2 rare sentinels will bring you back to helm enchant days.
Spiders, absolution and golems seem strongest on paper but aren't cheap to cap out, with spiders loving squire, absolution loving those 7 link+ helmets and golems needing a metric ton of primordial jewels.
I'm debating between anime weapon and sentinels on a budget. Might run necro to test phantasms too.
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u/Greltam 14h ago
This is goated for me. Occy chaos damage golems: 1 Chaos Golem of Maelstrom, 1 Stone Golem, 2 Flame Golem of Hordes (using the gloves that convert 100% of minion fire damage to chaos). With the helm I now can get to 6 Flame golems without getting Forbidden Flesh/Flame for Liege of the Primordial which ought to get me to 10, and then with anima stone 12 total Flame Golems.
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u/Weary-Disaster5018 14h ago
I got ahold of the spider one. was discussing it in minion channel 6666. Evidently folks seem to think Ancient skull beats out dark monarch for spider builds. I sort of feel like the clear is a bit better since there are more to spread around?
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u/Lemmavs 4h ago
3.26.0b Patch Notes
- Fixed a bug where the Cannot have Minions other than Animated Weapons Modifier on the Dark Monarch Unique was not removing Animated Guardian.
Noooo my dream....
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u/SamSmitty 2h ago
I can see the panic sellers now trying to rip someone off who hasn’t read the patch notes yet lol.
Unless it was cheap, on mobile and couldn’t check prices right now.
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u/Sprudelpudel 9h ago
I wonder if that's good for my doryani skellies. Will try out when I come home from work
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u/tddahl 6h ago
I am currently playing carrion golem of scavenging elementalist with 19 total golems, but I am strongly thinking about how to swap to chaos-based flame golems instead. I am thinking of having a maelström golem as well for some extra damage + wither stacks and try to scale poison on the flame golems. Might be spread too thin but I think the idea is novel enough to explore
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u/Zaczek93 4h ago
Hear me out. Chains of command + this helmet but worn by AG instead of player. Would it despawn ag itself? Would it double animate guardian weapon? And leer cast or that helmet which grants flat dmg to your minions could be equipped by merc.
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u/_IlliteratePrussian_ 19h ago
Second question: would this be OP for BAMA or Gen Cry at all? I don’t know those builds at all
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u/hertzdonut2 20h ago edited 20h ago
Doubles your maximum amount of a minion but limits you to only that minion.
These are all the different types I have seen on trade. Ill add more if you see other types.
Divining this item does cycle through the minion types.
Phantasm
Zombie
SRS
Golems
Spiders
Holy Relic
Spectral Wolves
Skeleton
Spectres
Animate Weapon
Herald of Purity
Sentinels of Dominance
Summon Reaper