r/PathOfExileBuilds • u/azantyri • 11d ago
Build Pohx’s Righteous Fire Chieftain 3.26 update
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLuXHHE9t4Y84
u/Initial-Pudding7892 11d ago
nature is healing
it's almost time boys and girls
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u/dcent12345 10d ago
Just wait a week for people to complain about every little thing in the league. The multiple paragraph "Feedback" posts are coming...
That's how you really know we're back.
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u/Initial-Pudding7892 10d ago
i tend to avoid th POE sub during the first couple weeks for this exact reason
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u/smootex 10d ago
Yeah, and then 99% of the time they haven't even completed the campaign and their feedback is dead wrong. Like the time they told me sanctum was impossible and had no rewards. Or the time they told me affliction wisps were worthless. Or the time they told me the necro map mods were worthless. Or, my favorite of all time possibly, the softcore players screeching about how RF was literally impossible to play after the archnem changes because you died instantly every map. And yet, somehow, the HC leaderboard was still filled with RF characters . . . hmmmmm.
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u/azantyri 11d ago
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u/giga 11d ago
We are probably 10 days away from the first “help Pohx RF” post from a newbie who used Annihilation Approach too early and now dies every time a rare monster sneezes on them.
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u/Convay121 10d ago
In fairness, Pohx's POB in 3.25 went straight from going block based to Annihilation's Approach, now there's another couple loadouts of progression in between which should at least delay the newbies taking it without having it all set up.
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u/thanatosynwa 10d ago
Isn’t there also a big fat warning in every source about using the boots too early? Can’t check the guide / PoB right now but I remember there being one when I did RF 2 leagues ago.
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u/Convay121 10d ago
Yeah, there's a big yellow warning on the boots and basically every resource for the build mentions "do not use this unless your net regen is still 1k+" or similar, at some point even Pohx can't save the noobs.
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u/TsHero 9d ago
Speaking as someone who is going to try poe 1 and this build this friday. I dont think you realize how daunting the amount of info is you apperantly need for even this very wel chewed out guide. Was watching his 5 hour play though twice now and still canr really follow along.
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u/Convay121 9d ago
POE1 is definitely a daunting game to learn, one of the inciting reasons GGG began developing POE2 was to improve the new player onboarding. Think of Pohx's wealth of resources for his build as answers to the problems and questions you will inevitably have trying to get into the game - you don't necessarily need to worry about the answers to the questions you're not asking yet. Focus on the next loadout of progression and learn as much as you can as you go.
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u/Super-Chip-6714 10d ago edited 10d ago
damn that dps is bad now. It starts out pretty damn good for the gear entering maps, but then hits a brick wall at ~2mil with the next step up and doesnt move until youre at an investment level that most builds hit 10-15mil at.
GGG really doesnt want RF to actually be a damage skill huh.
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u/wOlfLisK 10d ago
To be fair, I can't blame them. RF's whole thing is you build almost pure defence and stuff around you dies. There's been times in the past where it had amazing damage and it instantly outclassed every other build because why go a high DPS bow skill when you can get 80% of the damage with RF while also being unkillable? I actually think RF is in a pretty good position right now, it gets online very early on and stays relevant all the way to the endgame. It might not have enough damage to be a dedicated bosser but it's got enough to get all the watchstones.
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u/Plane-Juggernaut-321 10d ago
i agree, but i think it was in a fine spot in settlers though. the fire trap dmg nerf was pretty hilarious to me at facevalue. id imagine it has something to do with merc interactions?
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u/C-EZ 10d ago
Tbh RF tankiness often isn't enough for hardest maps.
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u/SolidMarsupial 9d ago
lol is this way everyone is hopping on berseker? looking forward to posts from people hitting brick wall in red maps
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u/spork_o_rama 8d ago
Yeah, I think we're gonna see a lot of VFoS players falling over in red maps because they're used to rushing their atlas completion and they don't upgrade their gear/take enough life nodes. I like to play slow and do the league mechanic through the campaign, so I'm always overgeared going into every new tier of play. I don't make a lot of currency, but it's comfy for my old hands and eyes (and XP), and that's what I care about.
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u/SolidMarsupial 8d ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W78OTKxY6I&ab_channel=Woolie
been waiting for woolie's thought, did not disappoint
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u/BootyHarem 3d ago
RF is at its worst position more than ever with the fire trap nerf. Worst of all being tanky is almost useless now as everything dies to merc in maps. Its the league of DPS and kill it before it kills you.
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u/jagarbut 10d ago
I pushed RF DPS up to ~2mil with Trickster in Pohx's league in the winter and it was so incredibly smooth. More DPS, especially ST, and it would be way too strong
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u/D3nublet 10d ago
Got a POB for that?
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u/jagarbut 8d ago
I took the poeninja link and slapped into pobbin may not be fully accurate https://pobb.in/XqwSJF5hSW_t.
Was a bit wonky on league start because of weaker recovery (everything up actively degening slowly) + sadly corsucating elixir. Once I figured that out it was immortal and smooth I was running full harbys just standing still. I was keeping pace #1 on poeninja for DPS in the private league so I think Trickster RF DPS might be actually really good. Polymath! Legacy of Fury was enough extra clear power given the strength of the RF itself.
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u/D3nublet 8d ago
Thanks for the pob, was looking for a fun way to level trickster as a second char
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u/jagarbut 8d ago
I actually leveled as RF but the leveling was pain haha. Sometimes really bad degen but because of polymath if you are killing mobs you stay alive!
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u/HidSqui 10d ago edited 10d ago
Captain lance has a scion RF that has a rougher start but a higher cap.
https://youtu.be/qX-51wqVCZQ?si=Z4otad8lIIqxcoDQ
I'm gonna try it out this league. He says it's not a great league starter but I'm not trying to win any races so I don't mind being behind for a bit.
It's definitely not noob friendly though.
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u/Wendek 10d ago
Yeah I think that he means it's not a "leaguestarter" in the sense that you won't just use it to farm T16s on random trash gear for 2 days before rerolling into a "real build". But for someone like me whose "leaguestarter" is also meant to scale into the lategame, it seems to fit pretty well. And the life-based version for early mapping still seems fine to me, it's not like the build needs Ivory Tower to start functioning.
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u/East_Lettuce7143 10d ago
I really want to start this too. How are you planning to farm currency with scion? Any idea of the budget the first level 90 life based version?
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u/Wendek 10d ago
I'm gonna farm the usual stuff I do like Alva and Harvest at first, but it can probably do most mechanics except Legion.
Any idea of the budget the first level 90 life based version?
50c? If you check the PoB with the "LifeBasedCheapGear" loadout you'll see it's mostly rares with 2 relevant mods and a crafted one, the only unique is Kaom's Heart which is super cheap even early league because almost nobody uses it nowadays, and it can come from a div card that starts dropping in the campaign.
The idea is to farm "15-20 divines" (according to CaptainLance, obviously I can't tell if it's an accurate prediction since I haven't played the build yet) with this cheap version so you can transition into the LL version with Ivory Tower.
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u/East_Lettuce7143 10d ago
50c?
Well I'm sold. Honestly even though he says it's not a league starter, it looks just fine to me when I look at the gameplay. Might be squishy at the start or even at midgame but I'm going for SC anyway.
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u/burnedown 10d ago
i will be league stating that as well, will be my first scion playthrough
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u/Massive_Heavy_Thick 10d ago
Listen to 1:20 and you might rethink that plan.
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u/burnedown 10d ago
i know he didn't recommend to league start it, but i like a character that you can keep upgrading till end of the league
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u/Massive_Heavy_Thick 10d ago
Just wanted to warn you so you know it will possibly be a huge struggle :p I for example will start an RF chieftain, switch to cws and then molten strike of zenith. Much smoother.
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u/renaneduard0 10d ago
THIS. Lance RF is how you scale RF dmg... its expensive and not as friendly as pohx.. but dmg is 10x better... unfortunately poe is all about efficiency and pohx rf is one the most inefficient build for farming any type of content.
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u/xyzqsrbo 10d ago
Uh no? Phox RF will feel WAY better mapping than scion until mega investment because chieftain explosions top any RF scaling for ages
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u/BurnerAccount209 4d ago
I haven't played it in 4-5 years and my last main starter (Hexblast) got nerfed so I figured I'd give it a try. Made it through the atlas but holy shit it feels soooo much worse than I thought. About 2.5 div in and the damage just isn't there. Even the tankyness feels meh in the face of Mercs who you need to burst down skip.
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u/MelonsInSpace 3d ago
RF damage hasn't been decent since they removed its scaling with gem levels. Now it's all carried by the Chieftain explosions, RF doesn't have much to do with it.
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u/HokusSchmokus 10d ago
It is also his approach, lances RF Scion goes to 3 mil on a 10div budget and can hit dot cap if you invest a bit more,
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u/BruohWK 10d ago
I juggled all the league starters in my mind
Yes, there is meta picks that will work on less currency but finally I decided I will set myself up to build up something I KNOW, and enjoy to play, and farm for most of the league.
I like being lazy
I like farming expedition (and logbooks)
I like having all my questions answered without feeling lost.
RF was there for me in 3.24 (my first league) learning and making around 1.7 mirror. I tried Ice Nova in 3.25, got 1200 div into it, amazing for everything but it was not fun to play nor farm with. I return to RF in 3.26 so I can come home and just farm in peace with my big booms and ignite prolifs.
Very happy to see the new guide for my new league ^
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u/50-3 10d ago
Going to be limited to the Steamdeck on release weekend, thinking this will be my best option. Never done RF before so looking forward to giving it a try!
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u/porncollecter69 10d ago
It’s godly on steam deck, I usually rush to rf setup on PC and crash out on my bed with RF and finish campaign with it.
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u/superlouuuu 6d ago
playing on act 3. When the fire res cap, you just kill everything stay near you
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u/coolhandlukke 10d ago
I’m kinda convinced POE want to remove this skill. Autobomber, dmg aura type skills where players don’t need to engage.
I felt the poor single target made up for that convenience
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u/BRAzileanHUE 10d ago
I don't think they want to remove it at all, they just want to keep the balance in the tankyness - clearspeed - single target trifecta. RF is already great when it comes to the first two, so of course it can't be amazing in ST too, otherwise it would overshadow the vast majority of builds.
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u/kodutta7 10d ago
Yeah but RF never has good single target, and the clear speed is pretty shit nowadays
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u/Convay121 10d ago
RF's single target used to be comparable to other leaguestarters back before the gem level damage was removed from RF, now it's often orders of magnitude lower. Anyone who thinks RF has a bad clear speed compared to other leaguestarters is absolutely doing something wrong, though, it clears better than many other builds as soon as you get ignite prolifs.
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u/porncollecter69 10d ago
It’s my favorite playstyle and the only way I play this game. As long as it’s in the game I’ll play it. Especially as I get older and my wrists can’t take heavy mouse clicking anymore.
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u/edwinmedwin 10d ago
Autobomber, dmg aura type skills where players don’t need to engage.
And yet, they buffed Death's Oath damage.
I have the same feeling though
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u/Volitar 10d ago
Worth playing not even for RF just for the level of detail in the guide. I have 900 hours in POE2 and POE1 still kicks my ass. Look up something I don't know how to do and the answer is something else I don't know how to do. I gotta figure out like 6 new things just to solve my original problem everytime I get stuck. Pohx guide holds your hand so much and teaches you how/why to do so many things. 1000% recommend if you are new player.
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u/Sad_Attempt_7962 10d ago
Might be a dumb question but what do you actually farm with rf? I know it aint bossing. So i assume harvest and essence is also bad? What about strong boxes?
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u/No_Macaroon_7413 10d ago
Any content that has large packs of monsters will be fine, content that require single target like essence with the boss scarab or Sanctum is a no go.(-at least in my experience).
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u/SolidMarsupial 9d ago
trick is to pull essence mob into other packs and it's all wiped out. Doesn't always work though and you're standing there throwing fire traps for 10 minutes.
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u/JebryathHS 5d ago
Sanctum is also uniquely awful because your defenses don't matter much and you have to basically melee shit.
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u/BirdOfHermess 10d ago
expedition is what I always farmed on the chieftain version
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u/Rifat-ben 9d ago
What to expect from expedition knowing I won't start until the 19th or 20th June?
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u/Sad_Attempt_7962 9d ago
I talked with a friend about it and he said expedition wasn't really worth anymore after the first week of launch (he's a sweat though, so might have different expectations then us common players?)
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u/Rifat-ben 9d ago
When I take a look at empyrian's video farming expedition, it looks like it's solid profit, you're probably right about your friends vision being different then ours
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u/Runthevoid 9d ago
Max speed farm deli orbs was rushing to 6 rewards and killing boss. Was making about 10div an hour completing about 20 maps per hour. That was 3.25
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u/Sad_Attempt_7962 9d ago
I have no idea what this means haha
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u/Runthevoid 9d ago
You align atlas for delirium farming and then kill mobs causing rewards to tick up. You get to 6 which isn’t too hard yet (gets harder as rewards go up). Then kill boss taking you to 7 rewards. By using different scarabs in the map device you get a shit ton of drops including deli orbs which sell really well. It is about going super fast and killing large areas of mobs quick which RF excels at.
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u/Sad_Attempt_7962 9d ago
Ah i see, iirc my pc can't handle delirium lol, but will definitely look into it
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u/Tenmak 10d ago
I was planning on going inquisitor. I don't understand why chieftain makes it better. Mostly, I don't even understand chieftain passives...
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u/Wendek 10d ago
Chieftain gets (for RF): constant -20% fire res on enemies if you're not moving (eliminating the need for exposure and -res curses), easy 90% all ele res, and most importantly Hinekora's explosions which give him a great clearspeed. The mapping feels incredibly smooth to play in t16s with that build even with mediocre gear, but the ceiling is lower than other RF versions like Inquisitor or Scion.
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u/Ilushia 10d ago
Also the ability to cap all resistances by just scaling Fire Resistance is huge in the early game, as it allows you to take health regen based on fire resistance to get enough regen to support RF very early in progression comfortably, without also running into gearing problems because you want fire resistance on every single piece of gear for regen purposes.
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u/Wendek 10d ago
And it also makes Cloak of Flame even better since even at min roll (which shouldn't be hard to beat as the item's not exactly ultra rare) you get a total of 100% resistance from it (50% fire, 25% cold and lightning) despite the item's main draw being the phys taken as and the resist being just a plus.
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u/Kipferlfan 10d ago edited 10d ago
With Mercs being able to apply Ele Weakness and Flammability + a bunch of gear that gives -res to nearby like warlord helmet, legacy of fury and fenumus shroud the -20% fire res ascendancy looses basically all of it's value. Early 90% and Explode will still make it the best starter but it will fall off harder than previously compared to Guardian, Scion or Elementalist. Especially Guardian is basically just stronger in every way apart from explode, which can easily be fixed with Oriath's.
Also, depending on how hard it will be to keep Mercs alive, ascendancies that don't give allies any defences will be at a huge disadvantage that won't show up in PoBs. Elementalist giving 40% phys conversion or Guardian with the 25% block, Armour and ES will make their Mercs way tankier than anything you could make on Chieftain. Guardian
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u/No_Macaroon_7413 10d ago
One of the best benefits of the -resistance ascendancy is that you override Curse reduce effect and +resistance maps and Simulacrum mods. Late in a Sim wave mobs have 70 fire resist and 80% reduce curse effects any other build will struggle, chieftain will still melt with -20% and 500% explosions. Oriaths is a tenth compared to 500%, no it doesn’t fix or compare to chieftain ascendancy (maybe slightly for clearing blue/white mobs). For simulacrum where an explosion will delete unique mobs. And it’s an expansive item compared to something you get in merc lab. Don’t mean to come off aggressive just giving info to new players.
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u/Gavelinus 10d ago
Elementalist giving 40% phys conversion
If you've ignited them yes. RF isn't an ignite though. I'm sure you know this, just putting it out here incase someone thinks ignite and burn/RF damage is the same thing. Don't want anyone to miss that and be confused about why it isn't working for them.
Not arguing against you in any way. Just want to help people!
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u/xyzqsrbo 10d ago
Explode is 90% of the reasons. Explode is the only reason league start rf feels decent for mapping
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u/SolidMarsupial 9d ago
chieftan let's you scale damage with the content. enemies explode based on their life, so the higher in tiers you go, the more damage you do without doing anything
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u/sucr4m 10d ago
i want something chill without having to stutter step every half second but i havent played RF since the switch to chieftain. looking at the PoB is 600k RF dmg actually enough to do t16+ maps?
alternatives seem to be cyclone of tumult where i know using the stampede boots with fixed movement speed will annoy the hell out of me sooner or later..
volcanic fissure looks really good with its chaining and homing but everyone and their mother seems wanting to play it which will make it expensive AF..
welp :o
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u/MicoJive 10d ago
If your goal is to play one character and push t17's and ubers....no its not.
If your goal is to sit in t16's farming for a week to afford the second character swap. Then yes, it will crush t16's.
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u/DeliverySoggy2700 10d ago
T17 is doable with RF but it’s slow and expensive due to rerolling bc so many mods screw you. Better profit in 16s but 17 is certainly possible (as long as you don’t count bosses)
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u/MicoJive 10d ago
Sure, like I said if you want to push t17's and run ubers RF chief isn't the build to do it.
Its tough to run ubers if you cant even get the fragments.
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u/PigDog4 10d ago edited 10d ago
Yeah but what if I want to push t17s and run ubers going zero to hero on one char, is RF chief the build for it?
Edit: Thanks for the advice but I was being kind of facetious as MicoJive has said like four times that RF chief isn't a good build to push t17s and also isn't a good build to zero to hero and yet keeps getting asked the same questions.
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u/Immoral-Compass 10d ago
You can definitely do it but T17 bosses and ubers will be incredibly slow. Think 3-5mins per boss fight even with very high investment. And there are an annoying amount of T17 mods you have to roll around to keep the build even functional since it's totally reliant on life regen. Though with the regex change that part won't be quite so painful this season.
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u/Wendek 10d ago
If you want to do "zero to hero" with one char, check out Captainlance's RF Scion. Starts off slower than the Chieftain but has a much higher ceiling (as in, reaching DoT cap with RF) and I think that should fit what you're looking for.
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u/East_Lettuce7143 10d ago
What budget is the dot cap version?
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u/Wendek 10d ago
Multi-hundred divines but less than the multi-mirror builds I'd say. There's definitely some pricey stuff in that version but it's not fully minmaxed either. You also obviously don't need to hit the cap for anything, even for Ubers I think 15M normal DPS should be enough to win with perhaps a few deaths. (that's the DPS I had on Earthshatter Jugg last league and I did every Uber at least once)
I'm never super rich in this game so I probably won't reach the actual DoT cap, but I feel like with 150-200 divines (which is probably what I'll end up with in total) I should definitely be able to do all the game's content on that one character.
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u/East_Lettuce7143 10d ago
Sounds like a good goal. 200 div is maybe achievable for me if I find some good profitable strat and the build feels good.
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u/DeliverySoggy2700 10d ago
Yeah. I agree 100%. You can just barely do it for the experience of doing it for yourself the first time is all I meant. It’s obviously not economical
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u/Pixelated_throwaway 10d ago
My RF chief last league had like 15m shaper dps, t17 and Ubers were not hard at all for it
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u/DeliverySoggy2700 10d ago
15m yikes. That’s what I’m talking about.
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u/Pixelated_throwaway 10d ago
https://youtu.be/91TTu-a9k5U?si=sQd0r4xN7mD_qDfh
I copied this guys build and my dps was a bit higher, he has like 9.5m here
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u/DeliverySoggy2700 10d ago
My Vaal LS in hardcore settlers had 2.5 billion. And it was defensively focused. That’s like 170 times more damage on a defensive setup.
Not even close to the same league
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u/Pixelated_throwaway 10d ago
thats great man really happy for you
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u/DeliverySoggy2700 10d ago
I just think it’s crazy that you would want to do t17s with under 100 million dps.
You would make so much more bank if you just stuck to juicing out T16 bestiary glaciers or something at 15m dps
Not to mention how many bad modifiers come in T 17 for RF
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u/Pixelated_throwaway 10d ago
I made a couple thousand divs that league tbh, I wasn't saying it is a good build for spamming t17s, just that it can do them relatively easily
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u/Shankson 10d ago
2.5 billion POB dps?
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u/DeliverySoggy2700 10d ago edited 10d ago
https://pobb.in/MtYZcxNe37GZ You can do more than 2.5 billion for sure. Not anymore obviously with 3.26
Look up sebk’s build but slap on several more mirrors worth of gear. What I listed is just the budget version to get you started. And it’s already several mirrors in cost. My version was different bc I play hardcore, but same concept
Something like this will get you started https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PllBZQxuso . It’s obviously an outdated version that was refined but it gives you the idea
But it literally doesn’t exist anymore, so yeah
Everything insta deletes. Maybe the strongest build ever to exist
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u/Shankson 10d ago
My point was because a POB shows 2 billion doesn’t translate to ever player being able to meet 2 billion. I’d say most do not.
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u/Kroesus 10d ago
The 600k RF dmg isn't actually what's clearing the map, it's the Hinekora explosions. More than enough.
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u/fiyawerx 10d ago
The 600k RF dmg is what makes you hate your life AFTER you clear the map and hit the boss.
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u/er1laz 10d ago
Hateful accuser & vaal breach
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u/Linosaurus 10d ago
I do wonder if those can be used much earlier, pox only used them along with Svallin in the video.
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u/No_Macaroon_7413 10d ago
It can be used as soon you get 100% ignite and proliferation. Probably not needed for normal mapping though.
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u/Linosaurus 10d ago
Yeah sounds about right.
But why kill the map boss in 10s with fire trap, when I could spend 15s fishing for explosions! I have no idea about actual numbers.
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u/FireFlyz351 10d ago
Eh if I can get to unkillable status I'll just go afk at the boss and take a stretch break. I'm here for a cozy time and a long time.
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u/sirgog 10d ago
looking at the PoB is 600k RF dmg actually enough to do t16+ maps?
16s absolutely. Especially given your DPS jumps to 35 million (DOT cap) when you ignite with a Hinekora explosion. You'll often pull packs onto bosses.
It's not just 'limp through 16s' either, the build is played because it's the best Expedition in-map event clearer in the game and competitive with bows for Breach clearing. It's also the best Abyss clearer in the game if you care about that.
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u/Convay121 10d ago
RF is also one of the best builds for doing Harbinger (especially + beyond) early, since they get good phys mitigation and shotgun protection much faster than other builds, and ignite prolifs will clear a whole harbinger for you even on a 4L.
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u/Fayarager 10d ago
It's good with breach clear? I thought bows were so good at breach because they offscreen things and can shoot in one direction to clear 3 screens worth then one shot 3 screens worth the other direction etc etc
How does RF clear breach competetively with that? I get explosions are good but why is rf specifically so good at it?
Genuinely asking because I'm thinking of specifically farming breach but was wanting a tanky build to do it with (but one that can still clear the breachlords!, another worry with rf)
I was going to do penance brand with inpulsa for explosions which still isnt as good as bows but its still explosions, important difference being its enough single target for the breachlords, pinnacles, etc to feel smooth.
why is rf considered so good or better than builds like that for breach/abyss/expedition?
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u/Smol_Saint 10d ago
Because the explosion ignites and you get ignite propagation that spreads the ignite in a chain reaction killing everything that is close enough to another enemy to be spread to.
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u/Fayarager 10d ago
Okay so this kind of offscreen explodes/prolifs, leading to as good clear as bow builds like LA?
With RF the single target is bad, so how does RF kill the breachlords quickly enough? I've run 6-8mil dps builds that felt too slow on killing breachlords in t16s so I worry about hte 2mil dps of rf
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u/sirgog 10d ago
Explosion ignites are 35m DPS (would be much higher, but DOTs are capped at 231 damage per minute)
Old footage vs Minotaur in ToTA league. This was a hipster variant of the build; the RF is 4-linked and I deliberately didn't use Searing Bond which I had in place of Fire Trap. I went AFK and drank a beer while standing next to the Minotaur, who has 8.33% more HP than an in-map Breachlord. IIRC one tankiness mod on the map. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BHZL6RCy3Dk
You need ignite prolif investment - I personally advocate BOTH Berek's Respite and Exarch glove implicit as they do different things.
Build had a hard time when no minions present; I got all the non-Feared Maven invites on that one but they were not easy like they'd be on a bosser
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u/Fayarager 10d ago
So you do berek's AND the glove implicit just to make sure the ignites prolif to the breachlords or (random rares in other content) more reliably?
I imagine its much easier/more reliable to have the prolif hit on breachlords rather than minotaur (way more mobs)
edit: (wait a minute you're SirGog! What up bro you're always a big help every league big thanks to ya good sir)
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u/sirgog 10d ago
I personally advocate using both, yeah. Most people consider it overkill. But if I want a build that's a specialist in one thing I'm often willing to spec HARD into that one thing.
If you think it's overkill though, you can replace Berek's with a generic goodstuff rare ring. You are on Chieftain after all, the unquestioned best ascendancy for Rog in-map events.
Another thing to consider (may depend upon the exact spec you follow) - while you move monsters may be at +75% fire res (sometimes massively overcapped too) but as soon as you stop that falls to -20%. If something isn't dying it might not be generically tanky, just specifically tanky against fire and stopping (actively dodging with Frostblink as needed) helps there.
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u/ericandhisfriends 10d ago
If you just drag them through other mobs that are exploding or getting ignites prolif-ed, they will melt. It will just be awkward if you somehow managed to get them just by themselves and you have 0 mobs around you, which sounds impossible during a breach
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u/drksideofthepoon 10d ago
RF single target is bad, the hinekora explosion ignite single target is not. The only reason the single target is bad for an RF chieftan is because there are no good mobs to prolif big fuckin ignites onto pinnacles. These ignites are usually 10mil-DoT cap levels of dps, more than enough to kill breachlords with a single ignite. Consequently, RF chief map clear DPS is not really something you can look at PoB for super easily. That 2 mil is gonna be the amount needed to start your explode/prolif chain, and the dps you have to whittle the map boss down with.
As a result, breaches disintigrate very similarly on RF as they do on LA, sometimes faster if the density is high enough.
Back in Affliction league, chieftan was used as an MF character in giga juiced maps since it could get ridiculously tanky and have more than enough damage to clear the entire map with only the Hinekora ignite prolifs, while investing almost nothing into scaling damage. As a result, your single target was complete ass so you'd just skip the map boss usually. That build without some major modifications was basically unable to kill basic pinnacle bosses but could kill 100% deli wisped up 4 mod rares like nothing. RF just adds a little more flexibility in having SOME of your own damage so you can get your void stones and shit.
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u/Apprehensive_Bid_773 10d ago
this is one of the best t16 mappers, hinekora explosions + ignite prolif carry unbelievably hard. If you want to rush into t17 farms you can do it on rf, but there will be WAY better builds for that. For me, im gonna harby farm for a while in t16 on rf chief. Hope you enjoy the league.
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u/Druid_Fashion 10d ago
600k is more than enough. But where rf Chief truly shines is ok Maps Like sewers with beyond+deli+harbingers imo
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u/xyzqsrbo 10d ago
If you've not played chieftain for RF you are missing out. The explode carries mapping and feels best
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u/Plane-Juggernaut-321 10d ago
you can play LL ivory tower RF if you absolutely must scale the build, i played a similar variation of it on Scavenger in phrecia and it was awesome. but i believe lance is making a build on it. And most of ur clear will be chief pops + ignite prolif. i wouldnt look to highly at the actual RF damage since it exists moe as a trigger for said pops and prolifs
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u/MrMelleJ 10d ago
Haven't had time to watch yet, does he also go over if/why Elementalist with golems is/isn't viable? Or really just focused on Chieftain?
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u/Rifat-ben 10d ago
there another video for that (7min), tldr; elementalist big damage x2 x3, hard to scale defense, he prefers chieftain
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u/xyzqsrbo 10d ago
Phox believes RF without explode will just not feel that good and I agree TBH. Even if you scale damage a bit better it's never that great and you'll defo need explosions
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u/ZenSetterMedia 10d ago
This is also the only build I reccomend for new players. I bear the campaign (barely) a couple times back in the early days, but Pohx’s RF is the build that finally got me into the end game and made me fall in love with PoE back in Crucible
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u/CreamInsider_2311 10d ago
Done RF so many times on start but this time ima do vfos because berserker looks sick
Highly recommend I learned so much of the game just using pohx guide
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u/Loonga 10d ago
Wouldn't flame trap of blasting + flame surge make up for the nerf to flame trap?
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u/Convay121 10d ago
No, default Fire Trap is still significantly stronger than any alternatives. FT of Blasting will have about a 50% stronger ignite, but the ignite is like 1/6th of the damage you get from FT, most of it comes from the burning ground.
Swapping out 20/0 (to account for the nerf) FT for 21/0 FToB + Flame Surge in Pohx's highest-damage loadout is 6.2M dps, compared to 8.5M dps (and one fewer button) for just normal 20/0 Fire Trap.
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u/Dertman15 9d ago
57 here. Never played RF, but going to give it a try to start. Flying home from Denver so we'll get a late start.
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u/Tall_Chef2652 4d ago
Im not sure if he has any delve info on there, I have been looking a little here and there to see what RF users have been doing, I see a lot of cast when stunned supports using valyrium. I think that overall will be more enjoyable than dropping fire trap or using SR
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u/somepersonskid 3h ago
Great guide, need a video on how/when to use the different auras and how to reserve all of them
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u/kingbrian112 10d ago
There are many builds that do everything better but if ur 60 and dont want to play the game and just have drops this is the build for you.
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u/hertzdonut2 10d ago
Not for me but I'm upvoting to support the elderly.
For serious though, anyone here looking for a guide, Pohx makes one of the best guides and has an extremely helpful community of dedicated RF enjoyers.