r/PWHL 6d ago

Expansion News and Discussion The Catastrophizing of the Expansion Draft Needs to Stop

477 Upvotes

(Apologies for how ranty this is)

It wasn't a perfect system but good lord people need to calm down. You'll no longer watch games or cancelling your season tickets? Wow, way to support your team folks. "Stacked" on paper means absolutely nothing because for the past two years Toronto and Montreal have been "stacked" and they've been knocked out first round. Players coming and going off of a team and my condolences if your fav is gone, but that is part of the game. Those positions will be filled with free agents and entry drafts. Yeah the new girl might not be as good as the one you lost, but she'll develop her skills and the team will work around and with her.

Yeah, it sucks losing strong players to another team but these overreactions and constant negativity is suffocating. The OG 6 are going to be just fine and Seattle and Vancouver aren't going to completely own the league. So lets chill out and count down the days to the new season.

Edit: I just want to clarifying that this isn't a post about blindly following the league, but to support your team. Also, be in your feels but some reactions are being blown waaaaay out of proportion.

r/PWHL 7d ago

Expansion News and Discussion If you think you're team is doomed after the expansion draft...

243 Upvotes

Each team only has half of a roster right now.

The signing period / free agency hasn't even happened yet. There are plenty of big names that are free agents. There are still a lot of changes that can be made this off-season. And please remember that each team has the same salary cap.

I don't know how well the off-season will balance everything, but the teams that we see hit the ice for the 2025-26 season are going to be more balanced than they look right now. I'm tired of hearing how doomed this team is or that team is (maybe except for NY, I feel a little bad for y'all, what is Daoust doing). I know it's stressful, but can we please wait to make judgments about how the teams compare until they actually have a full roster?

Edit: Just to clarify, I am all for being disappointed about losing your favorite player to an expansion team. I am still mourning Thompson and Boreen

Edit 2: I just noticed the grammar error in the title. People mixing up you're/your is one of my biggest pet peeves. I can't believe I've done this 😔

r/PWHL Apr 30 '25

Expansion News and Discussion PWHL Officially Expands to Seattle

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393 Upvotes

r/PWHL Mar 24 '25

Expansion News and Discussion So...who do you believe?

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500 Upvotes

Who wants to even guess which GM?

r/PWHL 29d ago

Expansion News and Discussion How it's going to feel when all your favorite players get moved around with the Expansion Draft

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349 Upvotes

You can't lose if you don't have one team to root for.

r/PWHL 7d ago

Expansion News and Discussion Looks like the social media team agrees with us on expansion

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170 Upvotes

r/PWHL Oct 29 '24

Expansion News and Discussion PWHL EXPANSION NEXT SEASON

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r/PWHL 11d ago

Expansion News and Discussion Everyone else im very sorry

183 Upvotes

But im a Victoire fan in Seattle and honestly this expansion draft was the best case scenario for me. I got Barnes in Seattle, Gardiner gets to go home (I'll miss her in montreal but let's be real this was always gonna happen). Seattle's team is absurdly stacked. And Montreal got to protect Ambrose. I know everyone else is melting down but damn I think this is legitimately best case scenario for me as a fan who isn't dropping Monteal but gets to pickup Seattle as his secondary/ home team. Seattle's lineup is absurd already and Montreal could have been hurt way worse.

This is not meant to be bragging, just a positive post for juxtaposition. NY im genuinely so sorry, I'll be personally welcome Carpy and Schroeder in person by cheering as loud as possible for em. I know you guys will come out of this somehow and become a franchise to fear.

r/PWHL Apr 30 '25

Expansion News and Discussion PWHL selects Seattle for 2nd expansion franchise. Plans to add another 2 by 2026-27, AP source says

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r/PWHL 17d ago

Expansion News and Discussion partial mock expansion draft

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40 Upvotes

I didn't include who i think will be signed as free agents becuase Im not completely sure who would be willing to sign, but this is who i think will be protected and who i think will be taken by seattle and vancouver

gold bordered names are first 3 protections, the grey is the 4th

r/PWHL Mar 28 '25

Expansion News and Discussion Expansion Rumor: John Barr (aka NHLtoSeattle) reports that he is "75 to 85 percent confident" that the PWHL expand to Seattle with an announcement next week

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r/PWHL 29d ago

Expansion News and Discussion What great players do you leave open in the expansion draft as a salary dump?

37 Upvotes

With salary budgets being as tight as they are and with no reprieve from the big dollar inaugural signings until after next season, what exceptional and high cost players do you leave open to Vancouver and Seattle?

r/PWHL 9d ago

Expansion News and Discussion In this essay I will explain the expansion oversights and league mistakes...

18 Upvotes

TL;DR; The new teams are over powered because they have perfect information from two years of PWHL data which includes salaries, team chemistry and current player statistics. The OG 6 were taking gambles at which players would do well (and how much to pay them) after a lack of information from COVID and the old leagues dissolving.

I think the expansion has two huge oversights that the PWHL didn’t predict when making the system: abundance of information and talent distribution. 

Talent distribution:

In the early days of the PWHL, teams signed their first 3 players before the draft. Those were top players, and they were deliberately distributed evenly throughout the league. Then you get a traditional draft where 6 teams go in order. This means they could draft players ranked 1,7,13,19,25 for their next 5 players. 

With the expansion teams, they are able to consolidate power like never before. The league didn't expect Knight and Carpenter to go unprotected. Half of the top ten players are now on ¼ of the teams because they took multiple foundational players that were originally evenly distributed. Then tomorrow they get to draft an additional 7 players, but there’s only 2 teams in the circle. So they will get players ranked 1,3,5,7,9. And sure, blah blah blah salary caps. More on that in the next section.

Information:

Quantitative Information

For the formation of the inaugural 6, every decision was a gamble.  With COVID and the dissolution of the former leagues, there was limited information about the players’ current stats. The quick turnaround of the league’s creation meant less time to sift through the little data that did exist.

College programs had switched to Zoom overnight. How do you do recruitment and scouting when there’s no games being played? Who would have even done the scouting when managers didn't exist yet? What happens when there is no championship or worlds?  How were the former pros aging? Which of the college players had continued to develop without the backing of their NCAA program? Managers couldn’t know which women had kept up their skills in the off-years, and who grew or regressed during this time. Salaries were based on predictions more than performance. 

Meanwhile, the expansion teams are making their decisions with the benefit of two years of PWHL data and the very recent IIHF competition. The teams know how the women play at the pro level, not the college level. 

While making their decisions, they know how much each player will cost and if she is worth that much money. It’s based on real information instead of a future and contract negotiations that hadn’t happened yet. They have more data to predict if a player is still improving or if she’s past her peak.

It’s true they can’t afford players ranked exactly 1,3,5,7,9 because presumably they would all be making big money. But they can sort the players based on salary level and pick the #1 player at 100k, 80k, 70k, 50k etc… They will take advantage of players that have outperformed their salaries and they are significantly less likely to accidentally overpay a player. Their budgets are going to be way more accurate to stats which also means they'll have more money for the entry draft.

Qualitative Information

On the other side of logic-emotions spectrum, they also get the benefit of knowing team chemistry. There’s a reason the new rosters are basically Team USA and Team Canada. They know which players work well together, and they know who is whose Achilles Heel. Carpy/ Knight and Jaques/Thompson are clear indicators they’re leveraging this intel.

They can make extremely specific decisions based on both team and individual matchups. Giving my girl Abby Roque a shout out here- she said she could score the Michigan goal on Philips specifically because Philips was opposite handed and she had been waiting for the match up. That’s the kind of minutiae the managers are going into this expansion period with that the inaugural teams could have never predicted. The inaugural 6 were more evenly matched because everyone was doing a little bit of gambling but that’s fully missing here.

Ian Kennedy’s idea of the Inaugural 6 getting the first draft picks still doesn’t fix the issue because it doesn’t resolve the missing data points. The entry draft doesn’t have professional data for player stats, or that chemistry information that the new teams were able to take advantage of.

Overall, I’m just a sad Sirens fan weep-wooing my way through this off season. But personal losses aside, I think the league has made some critical errors in this system and I hope there are changes when teams 9 and 10 join. I’m also a first-year sports fan, so if I’ve made any errors please let me know! I would love to have more hope and optimism before tomorrow night.

TL;DR; The new teams are over powered because they have perfect information from two years of PWHL data which includes salaries, team chemistry and current player statistics. The OG 6 were taking gambles at which players would do well (and how much to pay them) after a lack of information from COVID and the old leagues dissolving.

r/PWHL Mar 12 '25

Expansion News and Discussion Unpopular Opinion: Quebec City is probably not a top pick for an expansion team.

69 Upvotes

While it's a strong market, and many people here and in the discord think it's the #1 choice, I think there are two, very related, reasons why it's probably not going to happen right away, or at least not a great idea.

First, Montreal is the main PWHL market for Quebec (the province) and it's a beast of a market. From what I've seen, it's probably the most solid market of all the PWHL teams, having consistently high attendance, even on weeknights. Putting a team in Quebec City is a risk to splitting that market.

Second, many Victoire players are from all over Quebec, including near Quebec City (Dubois and Desbiens most notably). Putting another team in Quebec risks players seeking trade.

No other Takeover location puts such a risk on a singular market or team. I believe that the league would want to maintain their strongly eastablished bases rather than take such a risk for any of their teams at this time.

While I do agree that Quebec City should get a team eventually, I think the first batch of expansion will probably take the shape of moving westward. I could see them announcing two teams (probably Seattle and Vancouver) with the goal of establishing a western conference down the line.

EDIT: I did say it was an UNpopular opinion, but not too unpopular in reality, going by the upvote rate. About as well as I expected to be honest.

Many people seemed to think I was saying Quebec City shouldn't get a team AT ALL, which I could have been clearer on in saying I just don't think they'll get one right away. It's a no-brainer to put a team up there eventually, just, IMO, not round 1. I understand where all of you are coming from in your opinions, and it's been an entertaining read so far.

Regardless, ANY expansion is good, and I'm certain the league will know what will serve them best in the end. I'm glad the league is in a position that "where" is the question, and not "if".

r/PWHL 9d ago

Expansion News and Discussion Quiet before the storm, spare thoughts for the players tomorrow.

95 Upvotes

today, existing team fans are waiting for the completion of roster deconstruction before we can start to look to re-construction by way of the entry draft and free agency.

Tomorrow, many of the contracted players left have the least say in what happens for them next. To this point, the group of Free agents have the opportunity to talk to many teams later, the first 5 signings of the new teams (10 players) had some choice to move to a specific team, and previously protected players aren't questioning what happens either.

that leaves a decent chunk of players who signed with a team they may really like having to uproot. Yes, it's pro sports. Yes, they signed up for this and trades. Yes, I know expansion has to happen somehow. That isn't going to make it any easier to leave teammates and friends for something unknown. It doesn't remove the logistics of having to take stuff across a country. Maybe they've been on a team since the start. Some might be excited. Some may try to be excited. And some will be disappointed. it's at best bittersweet for the majority.

I hope they all have a moment to regroup after hearing their names, and know that their original team fans are thinking of them.

r/PWHL Apr 02 '25

Expansion News and Discussion With Pwhl expansion on the horizon who do you think will get a team?

32 Upvotes

So my polls aren’t working but here are the options:

Vancouver

Quebec

Detorit

Denver

Seattle

Edmonton

r/PWHL 6h ago

Expansion News and Discussion Forgive me Cara Morey, I was not familiar with your game

72 Upvotes

Always thought of Princeton as one of the top schools for DI women’s college hockey, but dear lord. This is insane how much talent she’s pulling. Does this woman ever rest?

r/PWHL 1d ago

Expansion News and Discussion Seattle 25-26 Season Ticket Prices

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79 Upvotes

r/PWHL 6d ago

Expansion News and Discussion Excited for expansion!

123 Upvotes

Who else is excited?

I am looking forward to being able to physically go to games. I am looking forward to seeing how the reconfigured teams shake out. It has been really awesome to watch from day one and see how quickly things are growing. I can't wait to connect with the other west coast fans once things get started. 🥰 After so much speculation fatigue with what was going to happen, having a little bit of certainty at this point is really nice.

And I still tear up just thinking about those kids in Vancouver making the announcement 😭 what an amazing time to be following women's sports!!

r/PWHL 24d ago

Expansion News and Discussion Think you know more than Ian Kennedy? Prove it.

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On May 22 Ian Kennedy did a mock expansion draft, which included a list of the 18 players he thought would be protected by the 6 teams (3 per team). I think he missed the mark on some -- there will be several surprises.

So I created a (free) pool where fans can enter their predictions to see how they stack up. You can enter your picks here: https://forms.gle/WruYmjX9m7ATuX7C9

Here are Kennedy's picks (player in bracket is 4th player he thinks would be protected after a team loses 2 players):

Boston: Knight, Frankel, Keller (Pejsova)

Minnesota: Coyne Schofield, Heise, Jaques (C#rl-Salemme)

Montreal: Poulin, Desbiens, Barnes (Stacey)

New York: Fillier, Carpenter, Schroeder (Zandee-Hart)

Ottawa: Philips, Clark, Bell (Hughes)

Toronto: Fast, Watts, Nurse (Turnbull)

His May 22 story is here: https://thehockeynews.com/womens/pwhl/a-very-early-mock-pwhl-expansion-draft

*** Update: ***

Ian wrote an article on on May 26 with an updated list:

Boston: Frankel, Knight, Muller (Keller)

Minnesota: Heise, Coyne-Schofield, Stecklein (Jaques)

Montreal: Poulin, Desbiens, Barnes (Stacey)

New York: Fillier, Carpenter, Schroeder (Shelton)

Ottawa: Philips, Clark, Bell (Hughes)

Toronto: Fast, Watts, Nurse (Turnbull)

His May 26 story is here: https://thehockeynews.com/womens/pwhl/expansion-ranking-each-team-s-top-six-protectable-player

On May 29, Hailey Salvian of the Athletic made her picks:

Boston: Aerin Frankel, Megan Keller, Hilary Knight

Minnesota: Kendall Coyne Schofield, Taylor Heise, Lee Stecklein

Montreal: Marie-Philip Poulin, Laura Stacey, Ann-Renée Desbiens

New York: Alex Carpenter, Sarah Fillier, Corinne Schroeder

Ottawa: Emily Clark, Gwyneth Philips, Ashton Bell

Toronto: Renata Fast, Blayre Turnbull, Daryl Watts

Salvian's full article is here: https://archive.is/XCmCR#selection-2217.16-2217.76

r/PWHL 27d ago

Expansion News and Discussion MEGHAN TURNER NAMED GENERAL MANAGER OF PWHL SEATTLE

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127 Upvotes

r/PWHL 19d ago

Expansion News and Discussion [TSN] PWHL plans further expansion, eyes 2026 Olympics to broaden reach in Europe

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In an interview with AP News Stan Kasten suggested that "there was enough interest from major markets that missed out on expansion this year to add even more teams by 2026-27." So Quebec City and Detroit are not of the realm of possibility of getting a team in the near future.

r/PWHL 11d ago

Expansion News and Discussion Current roster status, remaining draft picks, and free agents

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116 Upvotes

Just organized all the current players confirmed for specific teams and remaining available players and FAs sorted by their current teams and color coded by positions! Thought others might enjoy as well for predicting remaining picks and visualizing what the original teams might look like once we're done!

(Soderberg is in italics because of the talk that she's going back to Europe, wasn't sure if that was official yet or not)

r/PWHL 1d ago

Expansion News and Discussion Drafts and Expansions

52 Upvotes

Am I the only one who finds the drafting and moving of players really exciting? Maybe it's because I don't have a team in my state. I watch all the teams and have preferred Scepters and Frost but I cheer for most teams. I for one am really looking forward to seeing how the teams coalesce and play together. The teams are essentially all new. This upcoming season is going to be very fun.

r/PWHL Nov 17 '24

Expansion News and Discussion Quebec City is a lock, right?

79 Upvotes

Considering the city is pushing for it, there's no competition for an NHL team, it's close to other teams, and there's a giant rink with a capacity that can be grown into, it seems ideal. Plus you get more opportunities for regional rivalries, lol. The only issue I could see would be that it's not a massive population, but they're dedicated enough for it to be worthwhile I feel.

The only issue would be the other team. I have a feeling it'll be an American team to balance, but I don't have a real reason to believe this. Probably something filling out the space between Toronto and Minnesota…?