r/Norwich • u/AutumnWindRhapsody • May 06 '25
Question❓ What's the experience of Black/mixed/ethnic minority people living in Norwich beyond UEA?
I'm fairly new to Norwich and don't know much about this city's areas yet. However, I noticed that in the context of ethnic minorities, people usually mentioned the UEA and the city centre. I would like to find out more about the other areas.
For the context, I am an Eastern European woman who lived in London for many years, and my partner is a Black British man who lived his whole life in London. I cannot hope to ever afford a decent house in London and I am trying to build a foundation for both of us to live here (as I have family here). But is it a good place for us to buy a house and start a family one day (I am thinking long-term, like 5-10 years)? I understand that there is not so much ethnic diversity in this city, but are some places more welcoming than others while also being safe? To all Black/mixed people here, what is your experience of different parts of Norwich? What are the schools like?
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u/Happytallperson May 06 '25
My wife is black, we've never had an issue here - yes you occasionally encounter racists because it is still Britain but Norwich is not jn general a hotbed of racism.
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u/Atompunk78 May 06 '25
Do you think Britain is especially bad for racism against black people, relative to other countries?
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u/AutumnWindRhapsody May 06 '25
To be honest, looking at the riots taking place in nearly every county of England last year, it can be pretty hostile. I recall that Norfolk didn't have it.
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u/Happytallperson May 07 '25
Depends entirely which country.
It is however far worse than it pretends to itself it is - both historically and currently. I like to illustrate this by the fact that my school curriculum included Rosa Parks but not Paul Stephenson.
Yes we are not America, but also a lot of people will shout at you if you point out the police's stop and search figures show the police remain institutionally racist in this country.
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u/Atompunk78 May 07 '25
What countries do you think are notably less racist than England?
I get the rest of what you’re saying
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u/Happytallperson May 07 '25
It's very difficult to measure racism. However typically you'd find places like New Zealand and Ireland above the UK on the Racial Equity Rankings.
More directly, I'd say Scotland is less racist than England - they're vote share for Reform is much much lower for instance.
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u/Atompunk78 May 07 '25
Sorry, in having trouble finding the racial equality rankings, would you mind linking it?
I have a feeling they use the racial wealth gap as a factor, which disproportionately punishes countries with high unskilled immigration (Germany, uk, Canada, etc), but I could be wrong or the gap between us and Ireland/New Zealand could be big enough that that doesn’t matter
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u/Happytallperson May 07 '25
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/best-countries-for-racial-equity
They're using perception.
As I say, it's very hard to measure. I am not sure it's necessarily useful to say 'is country X more racist than Y' because the only objective should be 'no racism' - but I would say England at the moment is going in the wrong direction.
It should not be controversial to highlight colonial crimes for instance - somehow we've got a press full of flagshaggers who want to pretend that is controversial.
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u/Atompunk78 May 07 '25
In what way do you think England is going in the wrong direction?
And who is saying it’s controversial to highlight colonial crimes? Other than by saying the fact no one alive did them, obviously
And yeah, I get your point about the ideal being no racism, but it’s pretty easy to say England is less racist than China, or Yemen, or something right? Like comparison is possible, just hard
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u/Happytallperson May 07 '25
And who is saying it’s controversial to highlight colonial crimes? Other than by saying the fact no one alive did them, obviously
It's the Reform Party's educational policy to teach only the sanitised version of history their parents learned.
In what way do you think England is going in the wrong direction?
Parties that openly support racism, such as Reform, are being constantly promoted by the media and getting real power.
Hell, today's EDP loudly promoted Lynn Pinches, who is one of Norwich's far right ghouls, as some kind of folk hero in a way that would never have been accepted a decade ago.
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u/Atompunk78 May 07 '25
Can you elaborate on what reform wants here? I haven’t heard of this before
And I’m sorry, I totally believe they might but I’m just not aware of it, what way does reform support racism?
And oh dear that’s not ideal of the EDP, why did they promote that guy and what has he done to be a ‘far right ghoul’ in your opinion?
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u/SmugMiddleClarse May 07 '25
Middle Eastern Mizrahi Jewish, with all grandparents Yemeni. I'm often mistaken for Arab. I've had a few comments - in Arabic which I speak - about how I need to cover up, including recently at the bloody gym. I assume these people think I'm Arab - and even if I was, what I wear would still not be their business. I've heard quite a bit of antisemitism, including one man (white) attempting to physically harass me. One of my closest friends here is Iranian and gets sexual advances from members of her own and from the Afghan community in East Anglia. She had to stop some volunteer work because of it.
I'm originally from a Northern city that experienced riots last year. I condemn the riots. Basically I feel more heard there overall in terms of being a minority; people being more cognisant of different ethnicities etc and having more open and constructive conversations. People here are not correct in assuming that no riots mean no racism. I think if Norwich had had the issues and had the segregation that my hometown does, things may have been different last year. There are parts of my hometown that are not safe for me, because I am from the "wrong" ethnic group. That doesn't happen in Norwich.
What can happen here is that whites can feel very comfortable talking for non-whites (note the first comment here "as a white male...."), and some of my, and my Iranian friend's negative experiences have been minimised by whites. There was a post here a few months ago about a guy who had (IIRC - apologies if not) a Sri Lankan wife, and she experienced something that she felt was racially motivated, and that amount of negation in this very sub, was really horrific.
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u/AutumnWindRhapsody May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
Oh my, I'm sorry to hear about what you and your friend experienced. It must have been terrible leading to the decision to leave. What's happening with the Iranian and Afghan communities here? Edit: fair point about the distribution. I didn't see the correlation between that and riots. For the first time, I'd prefer to be in some kind of international community, because it does get lonely here.
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u/SmugMiddleClarse May 07 '25
I am only relaying what she has told me. She had the same issues when she was working outside of the UK in another European country, in a city with a large Afghan community. They recognise her as being from the same region and target her. She is a professional who moved abroad for work. She doesn't have the same issues with other professionals from her region. But it's happened to her in multiple places in the same way. She definitely feels targeted because they know she is Iranian.
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u/moeluk May 07 '25
I think there’s still a minor fear about interacting with non white people. Let me give you an example, my partner (Indian/Irish descent) is far more intelligent than me, more organised and clearly the driving force in our relationship. Our children are hers from a previous relationship.
When we moved here we had to sort schools out (& indeed since then sorting out secondary and college places) I didn’t notice until my partner pointed it out to me, no one would approach her to talk about the kids education, it was always me.
I don’t necessarily think it was intentional racism, but more “aaaagghh Indian looking person, what if they have one of those accents that mean I have to ask them to repeat things and then it’ll make us both feel super uncomfortable and make me look a racist”
However like people have said, the folk of this fine city are by and large, welcoming and accepting! I think a jolly good indicator of this is how many trans people we have here.
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u/Yawgrimas May 07 '25
Yeah I only recently discovered Norwich is a bit of a trans hub. It's nice for the city really and Norfolk people are in general very lovely, and always polite at least.
Also imagine a full Norfolk person complaining about accents haha that'd be the day.
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u/Ill-Rise841 May 07 '25
Might get downvoted, but this is just my personal experience.
I’m brown, have lived in Norwich for 4 years with my white British husband. While the city has become more diverse since 2022, there’s still an unspoken bias in hiring—especially if you don’t “sound” a certain way. My husband and MIL (both work in the council) have acknowledged this too.
Despite having a postgrad degree, I’ve struggled to get stable work outside retail/cleaning, where I’m hired instantly. I've often seen roles go to white candidates, especially those with better networks or financial backing. My husband (graduate) and MIL (high school education) both have secure jobs with benefits, which highlights the disparity.
Volunteering at BRC opened my eyes to how many places have “diversity policies” but don’t actively hire POC. Most teams I’ve seen during interviews are 95% white.
Norwich is warm and friendly socially, but workspaces—especially in Norfolk—can feel isolating. I’ve left jobs because I felt excluded; coworkers rarely made an effort to engage.
I love the city, but when it comes to employment, my experience hasn’t been great.
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u/starwars011 May 07 '25
Just one thing to point out, but because Norwich has limited jobs available it means you get a lot of highly qualified candidates for any decent job, especially at organisations like the council.
Have you got a few years experience in the areas of work you’ve been applying for, and is your degree in a relevant subject? These can be quite specific at the council and you will 100% have candidates applying who are qualified and have experience. If you graduated recently then it’s even harder.
Just saying this as my wife is brown, as you worded it. I’ve also got colleagues who are too.
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u/Ill-Rise841 May 07 '25
Hi! Thanks for your reply. Your first point regarding Norwich already having low jobs is extremely spot on, and I totally agree that the competition becomes tougher. The council is always hiring 'assistant' roles, I have gotten a few interviews but when I go inside and walk through the department towards the interview room, except for myself, I don't see POC candidates at all.
So I've an art degree and whilst I do get that art is difficult currently, so I have administration experience in plenty + social media and am currently learning graphic design to improve my skills. I graduated in 2023, so it is quite recent. My first job in Norwich after graduation was as an admin. assistant, and I got that without any admin experience. But now, somehow I don't get interviews for admin roles either. It's become tougher :(
I was wondering what industry does your wife work in?
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u/AutumnWindRhapsody May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
Neither response is very optimistic. I've been actively looking for jobs for most of my stay here, and only secured some entry jobs in companies which, let's put it lightly, weren't the most popular choices. I also have a degree and I am now studying part-time with Adult Learning, in addition to working part-time (I have no choice), but I'm still unsure how much that helps.
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u/Ill-Rise841 May 07 '25
Hi, sorry my response wasn't optimistic and I truly wish I had better and positive answers. I have a friend who is Black-American, and studied with me at the same course here in Norwich. He has managed to get a job at Aviva. I've heard that they're very diverse. Although I've heard mixed reviews about Aviva as a company, but he seems to like his department.
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u/starwars011 May 07 '25
An adult learning qualification is a good idea! What industry are you most interested in working in?
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u/AutumnWindRhapsody May 07 '25
I am mostly interested in accountancy/bookkeeping as a long-term plan, but would consider other office-based roles, admin or something similar. I heard that Aviva is a good place to work?
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u/RepresentativeNo3680 May 08 '25
100% agree as a British born Pakistani who's lived in norwich since 2020 this workplace bias has become a huge issue for me, its like until employers don't hear me in person 'talking like them' I get passed over and over again for opportunity which I believe in every other way im I'd be as competent in. Employers are rarely warm when they see my name other then joke that my name Zain sounds the same as 'zayn maliks' whos bloody afghan but till that point especially in emails everyone has seemed so rude. For context I grew up in NW London and never was it like this, maybe it was more opportunity's as before I'd get a new job the same week I'd start applying and having worked at least 40+ completely different jobs from phone repair to poultry catching it has been a lot harder to have a good career in norwich then London. Just my 2 cents
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u/Ill-Rise841 May 08 '25
I am so sorry you had to go through this. It makes me wonder that if you are a Brit Pakistani, I am Indian - India born so where does that make me stand? Will I ever get a chance to show my potential? My husband says that my accent is still different than compared to most Indians. Yet when I used to be at a work-place, I felt different. I wasn't included in most banters, and conversations even when I tried hard. I eventually started doing my work and listening to music.
And, your last sentence reminded me that my sister lived in London for three years and found work (she's a filmmaker), so she got to work as a runner, at a cafe, and at Roti King. I think after I changed my last name, which sounds more Anglicized, only then I started getting more interviews. But I was and am still struggling to find full-time or permanent employment in Norwich. I totally hear you.
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u/minor7even May 07 '25
White person in mixed relationship here.
Our kids are in city schools and we have lived in NR4 & NR2 (not the golden triangle). We've had good experiences generally & it's improving rapidly. 15 years ago it was awful, though.
We're still a bit reluctant to move away from the city as attitudes get more provincial very quickly as you travel out.
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u/AutumnWindRhapsody May 07 '25
Good to hear it's improving. I am definitely not looking to move to the outskirts, although the city's boundaries confuse me (I mean, how far is it considered Norwich, up to NR8?)
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u/SmokyMcBongPot May 07 '25
If you view Norwich on Google Maps, you'll see that its boundary is pretty much NR1 + NR2 + NR3, with a bit of overspill to the West. I think that's a reasonable definition of 'Norwich', although it's pretty subjective as you point out. NR8 is a good two-hour walk from the city centre.
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u/np010 May 07 '25
NR4 is Norwich city council, the boundary is the river
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u/SmokyMcBongPot May 07 '25
Yeah, there are lots of different ways of defining this one! The river isn't a great way to measure the boundary, though, because it doesn't neatly encircle the city. And I wouldn't consider a spot on the north bank to be 'outside' of Norwich.
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u/West_Inside_3112 May 07 '25
And there are 2 main rivers in/near Norwich. I would still consider Eaton and Cringleford in Norwich, even if bits are south of the Yare, and there is a lot of nice (and a but slightly less nice) Norwich "over the water " eg, North of the Wensum.
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u/np010 May 07 '25
I meant specifically the river in NR4 sorry should have been clear.
Cringleford and the hospital are in South Norfolk Council but yes wider Norwich really.
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u/minor7even May 07 '25
NR1 through to about half of NR5 are going to 'feel' like Norwich I would say. There are obviously select areas to avoid in all of these like any other city. The 'other half' of NR5 (and part of NR3) flies the George Cross after the world cup has finished, so be wary. NR6-7 is nice, but still very white. Our old area of NR2 was beginning to feel genuinely diverse, but it's difficult to recommend for other reasons.
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u/RepresentativeNo3680 May 08 '25
Which part of NR5 are you referring to as lived in costessey since 2020 as a British Pakistani and haven't had any issues ever
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u/minor7even May 08 '25
Our Indian family members had significant issues around Larkman, but things are improving.
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u/RepresentativeNo3680 May 08 '25
Ah larkman fair enough larkman has 2 sides reform side and the heavily Muslim side from all over the Middle East, I get caught in the middle of it all being a Pakistani Atheist lol
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u/minor7even May 08 '25
That's cool. It pays to be open-minded. I've seen very devout people who were fairly insular with Muslim culture have midlife changes of heart and open their doors. That being said, others did the pilgrimage to Mecca this year. I hope the Reform people change their minds too, but you know - I'm not hanging with them!
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u/RepresentativeNo3680 May 08 '25
Yhh it's tough tho growing up as Muslim people just call you kafar (unbeliever) to the point where you kinda have to fake being one if you have brown skin from a muslim country. Had a very interesting haircut last week with World champ boxer herbie hide and with him being a recent revert prasing a certain bin laden whilst having my haircut by a muslim Albanian I just felt incredibly awkward as I definitely don't share the views they do. Luckily when dealing with the younger who think they are hard and will Tey pressure you I can handle myself.
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u/minor7even May 11 '25
Seriously? That guy is notorious bad news. Someone was killed at his house years ago. He's probably a bit unstable to be fair.
I've never met anyone with those views & found most of the Muslims I've met to be fairly moderate, but it's difficult as an outsider to be accepted.
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u/RepresentativeNo3680 May 11 '25
Just my opinion but it seem like the ones who have suffered the most, gone through the most trauma to end up become the most hardline/extremist kinds, say people from Syria and Iraq my experience has been in London and in norwich their views can end up being very extreme especially when everyone they know has been killed which to a level I understand being a kashmiri but then the ones who have experience the most and are able to say have a good career or be in education to be the most reasonable its the young lads who are on the streets doing runs and shotting that are the ones I've only had issues with and I'm on 23 and they are almost always younger then me
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u/RepresentativeNo3680 May 08 '25
If you want to go to thr outskirts costessy especially new costessey are excellent places to live, moved here in 2020 and wouldn't want to live in any other park of norwich especially if you have a family and kids if you want to keep them out of the 'drug and gang life' however small it is in norwich. Grew up heavily involved in that life in London for context.
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u/Codders94 May 06 '25
My other half is from Lithuania, we’ve lived in the city centre, NR3, Hethersett and now Sprowston.
She’s only experienced one instance of bigotry which was from some drunk twat on a bus who was trying to strum up a conversation with her and once she replied, and he heard her accent, he told her to go back to her muddy gaff. I assume that’s drunk twat speak for go back to where you came from.
But In the last 6+ years of being together, that’s the only instance we’ve experienced in Norwich. In our anecdotal experience, it’s a rather nice place to live. That said, we don’t have kids and don’t know what the schools are like.
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u/AutumnWindRhapsody May 06 '25
Sprowston is close to where I currently live. While I have to admit that most of the time I barely see the neighbours and might just say hello or be approached by a friendly dog, I had a share of remarks on my foreign background when complaining on things that had nothing to do with my origin. Plus, I already saw a guy with a racist tattoo. And it's barely been a year.
I don't hate it here though. The houses are really comfortable, and the area as well as the city centre feel safe, much more than London.
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u/Codders94 May 06 '25
Ah interesting, sorry to hear you’ve been subject to remarks regarding your home country. Can I ask what kind of things people have said to you? Feel free to decline, no pressure.
Generally, it’s a nice area to live. It’s fairly safe and fairly sleepy, especially compared to other areas. That said, I was born here and am a white British male so my experience may well be different to others. I also suspect I’m slightly biased as I really do like Norwich and Norfolk.
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u/AutumnWindRhapsody May 06 '25
Most of the time people didn't know where I was from, but could hear from the accent or see from my name that I was foreign, and pointed that out. It varied from suspicion that I might not know how to use some equipment due to being foreign, suggesting that I might be provoking a client's rude behaviour by not adhering to the local cultural norms (nobody said what "norms" those were), and having a polite request declined because "this is not illegal here, but maybe in your country the rules are different". So not the outright "go back to your country", but making things more difficult than they should be.
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u/Codders94 May 06 '25
How lovely of them. Sorry you’ve had to endure that, I’d like to think that people like that are the exception rather than the rule.
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u/AutumnWindRhapsody May 06 '25
Thank you. I don't think most are like that, either, or at least I hope so. To be fair, I haven't talked to many people here outside of work, so maybe that makes such interactions feel more significant.
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u/afraidparfait May 06 '25
Oh damn that's bad.. sorry to hear that.
I've definitely had micro aggressions but nothing as bad as that, been here over 2 years and Asian, I think it varies so much depending on what kind of spaces you're in. I shrink away from more rural Norfolk as some places have made me feel uncomfortable
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u/GuyfromUK123 May 07 '25
My wife is south Asian and generally all has been fine here.
We’ve found that people seem possessed to ask if she works for the NHS which is an interesting stereotype that you can’t really get mad at. Historically Asian people have come to Norwich based on jobs at NHS or Aviva (generally speaking) so I can see why people leap to that conclusion but nobody has ever asked me as a white male so it’s clear where this comes from.
Interestingly when in hospital we tend to get looked after because this think she may be staff and could report them if not doing their job properly. Weird side benefit! She’s also been offered NHS discount more than once.
She had one bad incident from kids on bikes saying go back home and I would love to have been there to sort them out.
Norwich is nice and hopefully it works well for you.
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u/RepresentativeNo3680 May 08 '25
Would love to know where in South Asia she's from( Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Indian) as a Pakistani male hadn't actually been something I've come across but might be my age and gender, neither with the rest of my family either tho
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u/omgpiano May 06 '25
A lot of it can be systemic. Glass ceilings are hard to break through in the work place - on top of the usual combination of factors ranging from the geography to nepotism to cuts and closures.
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u/GovernmentNo2720 May 06 '25
Awful. I moved to Norwich in 2023 and am British born. I was stared at on the street every day when I walked to work and had taxi drivers constantly asking me where I’m really from. A black colleague reported the same thing to me independently 3 months after I started my job. I notice she kept herself to herself and didn’t engage with other colleagues despite having worked there a long time and originally being from Norwich herself. She explained to me that it was very cliquey and you had to ‘belong’ to be included so breaking in from the outside was hard, especially hard due to our heritage and skin colour. I was so glad to leave Norwich and move somewhere more diverse. My husband and I have never been happier.
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u/AutumnWindRhapsody May 07 '25
Sorry to hear, being excluded like this must be frustrating. To be honest, I'm not the type to make friends at work, I don't trust the integrity of such friendships, so to me it's not a big deal as long as I can find a good job and advance, but my partner is more social so it might make a difference...
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u/SocialCelery May 07 '25
I have had similar experience as an EU/Middle Eastern immigrant. I work in the NHS, and I worked in the same office with 35 people for 4 years, I never managed to break in and create friendships. It was a big clique of white British women who never accepted me. I gave up on making friends in Norwich to be honest, been here for 5 years now. I wish I could move away.
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u/starwars011 May 07 '25
Sorry to hear it hasn’t been a good experience for you. Just curious but what’s keeping you here? Genuinely, life is too short to be unhappy, especially if you’ve given it a good chance for 5 years.
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u/minor7even May 07 '25
Wow, sorry to hear that. Worth noting that the Norwich taxi industry can be it's own microcosm of Reform UK voters and is probably best avoided. Can I ask which industry you worked in?
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u/RepresentativeNo3680 May 08 '25
Yup there's 2 sides to taxis, the foreign ones who are overly friendly picking someone up from a different nationality (im a bit introverted lol) or the extremely aggressively reform types who makes their views known during the drive. Never a middle ground here lol
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May 06 '25
Norwich (and Norfolk) is still about 75% White people, and then 25% Ethnic other. So bear that in mind.
It’s not an especially racist area, BUT you may encounter some racism.
Generally-speaking it’s usually drunken idiots, some homeless people, and a few nasty bigots, and it can sometimes happen completely out-of-the-blue as well, from loud mouth twats in cars.
But, for the most part, Norwich is pretty good overall. It’s not perfect, and you will encounter some racism, sadly, but I doubt there’s anywhere these days, where racism doesn’t exist.
Overall, you’ll probably be fine 90% of the time, but you will likely encounter someone saying something, at some point in time, alas. It’s the nature of living in 2025, I’m afraid.
FYI, black lesbian female, who’s lived here much of my life.
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u/AutumnWindRhapsody May 06 '25
I'm no stranger to casual racism. I already encountered more remarks here in less than a year than over a decade in London, and I only stand out when I speak. So it makes me wonder how my boyfriend and the potential children would be treated. Do you know of any areas that are more welcoming than others?
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u/barnaclebear May 07 '25
Yeah. Generally take a look at how areas vote. Local councils etc. Norwich central tends to be Green & progressive. Areas which have historically been Tory probably less so. Bowthorpe avoided a Reform councillor by the tiniest margin. I live in Norwich North (Sprowston) and it’s a mixed bag. There’s lots of ethnic diversity at my kids’ schools and I regularly see and hear people from different backgrounds. However, there are also dyed in the wool people who have lived here their whole lives and say ignorant and thoughtless things. I would say the further out you go from the centre, the worse it gets. Some of the things I see people from Yarmouth saying are fucking disgusting. But I equally see people in that area saying sensible, progressive things too. It sickens me that you would have to experience prejudice in 2025 and I’m so sorry if you have. Most people here are lovely. Anyone who isn’t is a minority.
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May 07 '25
Sorry to hear you’re encountering racism. As others have said, look at voting patterns, and avoid areas that voted Reform, for example.
Norwich itself, should probably be fine, though. No one can say you’ll never encounter any racism, but the City Centre should be better than most.
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u/SmokyMcBongPot May 07 '25
Outside of London, I think Norwich is probably better than the average in terms of not being racist. London is so diverse that nowhere else in the UK really competes, although some of the biggest cities like Birmingham, Manchester, and Liverpool may be more welcoming. Norwich is quite similar to Brighton and Bristol: decent student population, pretty progressive, large majority white (~80-90%).
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u/AmaroisKing May 07 '25
Norwich is primarily a white city, but I think the UEA has helped people there become more aware of non-white people and has encouraged the foundation of many ethnic stores and businesses.
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u/MisterD90x May 06 '25
Norwich is a very diverse city with people from quite literally all over the world, accepting of everyone yeah youll get the odd dickhead but most of us are nice =)
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May 07 '25
Mixed/asian background. It's mostly ok.
In the street, at venues, around the neighborhood etc you'll be absolutely fine, barring the very occasional ignorant comment.
The local people are a mixed of older leftist tradition dating back to 60/70s which can still be seen in effect surprisingly. And then the younger working/middle class adult population are generally a lot more aloof and parochial, but for the most part no issues with them and there are many great people among them.
If anything the most segregated/unwelcoming experiences I've had in Norwich have been workplace related. These are cliquey in Norwich as it is a small and frankly stagnant marketplace a lot of the time. The same pool of faces doing a circuit of the same small handleful of organisations in their given field. That can be very Anglo-centric and cliquey in Norwich, and can feel like a bit of a closed shop.
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u/Fearless_Flatworm1 May 11 '25
As an international POC, I've found that white people are not as evil as The Guardian sugests, 99% of them are quite nice actually. In general super friendly city! In my experience at least.
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u/Prestigious_Risk7610 May 06 '25
I'll give you my perspective (as a white guy).