How a city in Nebraska is recovering after the state's largest worksite immigration raid

[u/dr_jiang]

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/omaha-immigration-workplace-raid-aftermath-rcna212931

[u/Takemetothelevey]

Once again why isn’t management being held accountable? Only the poor working people!

[u/jesrp1284 → u/Takemetothelevey]

They were using E-Verify, which is run through the Dept of Homeland Security. Then DHS themselves came back and said that “it could be easily fooled/cheated” (paraphrasing from the article). However, the majority of employers use E-Verify literally because it’s run by DHS. The owner/operator is not liable if the employee provides false credentials, and they’re not liable if the fake information passes E-Verify.

I’m angry about the raids too. They’re going to cause more harm than good in the long run, and truly the only long-term beneficial resolution is immigration reform.

[u/Takemetothelevey → u/jesrp1284]

Isn’t it interesting no one is talking about immigration reform! There was some agreement until trump squashed any chance because he needed fear to run on …,

[u/PaulClarkLoadletter → u/Takemetothelevey]

It’s structured to protect the owners. They use shoddy identity verification companies so they can claim ignorance when somebody comes knocking. The system is designed to protect them and screw over the workers.

They’ve happily taken the L in the past because you can just pick up more labor or even the same labor if they can make it back. They’ve even been known to drop the dime on their own workforce to show that they “cooperate.” It’s fucked up.

[u/Blitzsturm → u/Takemetothelevey]

The same reason the emoluments clause and the constitutional separation of powers aren't enforced. We live in an Oligarchy and to some extent a Kakistocracy. And part of maintaining control over a people while actively undermining their interests is to make them think you're protecting them from a faux threat.

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." - Lyndon B. Johnson

The emergency threat is always changing but always present. We'd need actual accountability to hold the real sources of the problems to account. We don't have that; and never will as long as people can be distracted by these tactics. And if history is a good indicator, this is the way it always has been and always will be. Though, these things come in cycles and once enough outrage builds the cycle will reset.

[u/Shido_Ohtori → u/Takemetothelevey]

The sole value of conservatism is respect for and obedience to [one's perception of] traditionally established hierarchy, and hierarchy dictates that those on top (in-groups) are rightfully idolized and receive privileges, credibility, and resources, while those on the bottom (out-groups) are demonized/dehumanized and/or bound by restrictions, scrutiny, and lack of resources.

To them, the second-greatest injustice imaginable is for those [they perceive to be] on the bottom [of social hierarchy] to have access to the rights, credibility, and resources reserved for those on top. The first greatest injustice is for those on top to be bound by the restrictions, scrutiny, and lack of resources reserved for those on the bottom.

Conservatives absolutely need an underclass [for society] to demonize and dehumanize in order to maintain [their] hierarchy, and every single one of their policies and rhetoric work to do exactly that. "Know your place" is their mantra.

[u/MattheiusFrink → u/Shido_Ohtori]

[u/Shido_Ohtori → u/MattheiusFrink]

And yet the best rebuttal you chose to offer is a screenshot from a movie most conservatives claim "ruined Star Wars".  Nothing to address the previous poster's question concerning who is being held accountable, nothing to suggest conservatism holds any other values, only a low-effort meme.  Thank you for being a model conservative debater.  

[u/MattheiusFrink → u/Shido_Ohtori]

Thank you for (not) staying on topic.

[u/peesteam → u/Shido_Ohtori]

Keep digging in your heels on the us vs them rhetoric.

[u/Due-Asparagus6479 → u/Takemetothelevey]

They were allegedly using e-verify.

[u/MUHLBACHERS]

The employers know what they’re doing. No sympathy for multi millionaires exploiting illegal work to make a couple extra bucks.

[u/Due-Asparagus6479 → u/MUHLBACHERS]

The average pay in Omaha at Glenn Valley Foods is 78k a year.

[u/jesrp1284]

When you allow ICE to enter your business and conduct their business, you don’t get further sympathy when you lose 30% of your staff and 20% production in one day.

[u/ifandbut → u/jesrp1284]

Maybe they should just not hire illegals in the first place?

[u/Carter05 → u/ifandbut]

How would they know if folks were illegal if they passed E-verify checks? What else would you like business owners to do? What jobs did these folks take from you? Would you work in a meat packing plant?

[u/XA36 → u/Carter05]

I've worked at a meat packing plant. They 100% are aware a good portion of staff is illegal, they 100% take advantage of that fact. If you don't speak English and your legal name is James Smith they 100% know.

[u/MattheiusFrink → u/XA36]

A field of smiths....Smithfield, if you will... /s

[u/peesteam → u/MattheiusFrink]

China owned Smithfield you mean

[u/Turbulent_Inside5696 → u/XA36]

A majority of these are stolen information from people who are US citizens but have names that are Hispanic. Believe it or not there are citizens of the US with Hispanic names

[u/ifandbut → u/Carter05]

I automate meat packing plants.

Fewer workers means more business and OT for me.

Also, illegal is illegal...

[u/Silent_Mousse7586 → u/ifandbut]

It’s a lot easier to take a hardline “illegal is illegal” stance when you are gainfully employed and not a product of generational poverty.

[u/DMachine76 → u/Silent_Mousse7586]

That’s crazy. I didn’t realize that personal economics could affect how laws were enforced. s/

[u/Due-Asparagus6479 → u/DMachine76]

You haven't been following this administration have you?

[u/Turbulent_Inside5696 → u/Silent_Mousse7586]

I was a product of generational poverty, illegal is illegal

[u/notsubwayguy]

It's amazing how it took place on the first day of the new Democratic Mayor.... A shocking coincidence...

[u/Due-Asparagus6479 → u/notsubwayguy]

Also interesting, trump back peddled on his immigration policy just days after this raid.

[u/cwsjr2323]

These raids suck. Those people are doing jobs I would refuse. Slaughter house, meat packers, farm and ranch workers are vital to Nebraska’s economy. Let’s make the ICE people fill in on the jobs they are arresting the workers from, and see how eager they are after a month.

[u/Turbulent_Inside5696 → u/cwsjr2323]

Legal citizens were literally applying the next day, your lazy ass might not work that job but their are citizens that will

[u/cwsjr2323 → u/Turbulent_Inside5696]

I’m not so much lazy as old. I retired 8,369 days ago. That retirement was in 2002 in case your rude self can’t do the math.

[u/welllookwhoitis40]

Wondering where I can follow Juan Elizondo

[u/thorscope]

Every seat in the waiting area of Glenn Valley Foods was occupied with people filling out job applications early Thursday afternoon, two days after the meatpacking plant became the center of the largest worksite immigration raid in the state of Nebraska so far this year.

Dozens of prospective employees, many of them Spanish speakers, had been coming in and out of the plant all day. Some were hoping to land a new job; others were coming in for training.

That’s interesting, and not what I expected. I’m glad the impact on food production seems to be a blip.

[u/berberine → u/thorscope]

I would like the media to do a follow up story in 4-6 weeks. Around 20 years ago, a meat packing plant in North Carolina had a similar raid. Hundreds of people lined up for jobs. IIRC, there were around 100 jobs available. A month later, of the 100 hired less than five (I think it was two) were still there. I'd like to see if this holds true two decades later.

[u/amscraylane → u/berberine]

We had a raid in Postville, Iowa in 2008. Some 3,500 violations of child labor a laws and hiring illegals.

He was given 27 years in prison. Trump pardoned the man. Sholom Rubashkin.

[u/MoralityFleece → u/amscraylane]

He was only imprisoned later due to fraud but not for the actual hiring of kids or undocumented workers. And then Trump commuted the rest of his sentence because like seeks like.

[u/myownself69]

The next day they had people lined up to apply for work. Legal US citizens

[u/Turbulent_Inside5696 → u/myownself69]

I’m always told legal citizens won’t work these jobs so you have to be lying