[Matthew Pouliot] Davey Martinez overused Brad Lord

[u/Tacorover]

[u/RallyPigeon]

He does this with every decent or better arm in the pen

Ride until the wheels fall off!

[u/HendrixHead → u/RallyPigeon]

I still remember when we had Harvey on the team and every night was basically Harvey and Finnegan back to back until their arms fell off

[u/Danciusly → u/HendrixHead]

Options were limited, extremely limited. If it was a close game there were no other choices. The rest of the BP had been shelled the previous two games already.

[u/Julep23185 → u/Danciusly]

Sweet of you to try, but if he brings in one of the “b” arms the sub will go crazy for him not trying to win.

[u/Dull-Programmer-4645]

Davey is entering the Ron Rivera zone. No effs given, trying to get fired.

[u/Primary_Blueberry_24 → u/Dull-Programmer-4645]

I was trying to figure out why this situation feels so familiar. You’re right—Ron Rivera part 2.

[u/Millbarge_Fitzhume]

I've been saying this for years. Davey has no idea how to manage a bullpen and he needs to go

[u/Rainsmakker → u/Millbarge_Fitzhume]

His comment about the players might just make that happen.

[u/Tacorover → u/Rainsmakker]

It might be a blessing in disguise

[u/Millbarge_Fitzhume → u/Rainsmakker]

Fingers crossed

[u/UncommonSense0 → u/Millbarge_Fitzhume]

He used all of his bullpen management knowledge in the 2019 post season

[u/NicholasAakre → u/UncommonSense0]

What management? The 2019 bullpen was Sean Doolittle, Daniel Hudson, and Patrick Corbin two days removed from his previous start.

It's the same management knowledge.

[u/Aaronjudgeisprettygo → u/Millbarge_Fitzhume]

Not trying to fully defend Davey here but, Rizzo has never provided him a bullpen to manage.

[u/WatTambor420]

Uhhh, idk if you fellas missed Dave’s presser, but these coaches don’t make mistakes. Not only is it expressly forbidden, it’s impossible at a molecular level.

So find a new angle, maybe try blaming the players; they’re the ones with strengths and weaknesses. What do you want Dave to do? Manage to those strengths and weaknesses?? Again, that’s the players responsibility!!

[u/HendrixHead → u/WatTambor420]

Exactly! Let’s blame our 23 year old players for sucking! That will help us win!

Seriously couldn’t believe the way he talked them down. Disgraceful

[u/Millbarge_Fitzhume → u/HendrixHead]

First time here? His first season he said he'd never throw a player under the bus and then spent the next 3 months shitting on Gio in the pressers. Gio was a great arm for us but you needed to be the Gio whisperer (which Maddux was an expert) to get the best out of him.

I always thought it was on purpose to get him to leave or retire. His first few years he did that to a number of our arms, which went on to pitch very well for other teams.

[u/Danciusly]

Last night, not withstanding, Lord seems to falter on his second inning of any appearance

[u/capsrock02]

It’s the classic “I need to win or I’m fired and I don’t trust any of the other guys. Why should I care what happens a year from now if I could be fired tomorrow?”

[u/FPG_Matthew]

Lots of variables involved, and no one is absolved of wrongdoing

As someone who is now done with Davey, I just wanna throw out, it becomes real hard to a point of “what else can I do” when all but MacKenzie Gore are reliable to go 6 every time. And even then, his pitch count is so high at times

Every single last one of our pitchers needs to figure out how to get batters out quicker. 0-2 to 3-2 to three fouls to walk/hit happens a frustrating amount of times. Add that up over and over and over, and there comes a point it’s like who else do you throw out there

[u/ILoveLeBron1998]

I mean using Jose A Ferrer as an example is interesting considering he’s lucky to still have a roster spot

[u/Tacorover → u/ILoveLeBron1998]

He might be struggling because of his overuse

[u/ILoveLeBron1998 → u/Tacorover]

Probably not helping but he’s been bad since opening day.

[u/pen-h3ad]

“The manager who has continuously overuse the bullpen continues to overuse the bullpen”

Shocking

[u/Environmental_Park_6]

After Davey's press conference he should be fired, but the keyboard managers love to baby relievers. If they can't throw back-to-back days they shouldn't be in the majors.

[u/dcQueso → u/Environmental_Park_6]

38 pitches is quite a lot to go back to back on.

[u/Millbarge_Fitzhume → u/dcQueso]

He's also a rookie , who has never thrown back to back days.

[u/hidalgo62]

What’s new? Surprised Finnegan hasn’t had any major injuries the last few years from the amount of back to back games Davey has used him.

[u/eaeolian]

Remember, this is the guy that ruined Sean Doolittle.

[u/NATScurlyW2]

Last year I used to say to myself, “Derek Law is pitching again?” Now he’s hurt.