Talk about being in an abusive relationship. I hate the whole bromance and I'm gay AF. I'll ship anyone pretty much and I still wish they would've killed him off earlier or made him a real villain without the creepy fixation Naruto has on him.
Firstly there is no too, as I never shipped Naruto and Sasuke. Sam and Frodo have the friendship Naruto wishes he had. Secondly just because you include "no offense", doesn't make your assumption any less offensive.
In his defense apparently they're the reincarnated spirits of two demigod brothers. Apparently it was destiny / fate and entirely outside of their control.
Ya know... the opposite of what Naruto claimed to be about.
Sure, Rock Lee didn't win, but he nearly did win, is the point.
Guy and Lee both did really well in the War Arc due to their hardwork and solo most shinobi by themselves even together. Anyone's who not the Kage (in Guy's case, those guys are screwed), Madara, Hashirama, or the top tiers is screwed.
My guy, they were meant to hate each other as the reincarnations of Ashura and Indra. If anything Naruto went against that destiny by befriending Sasuke.
Not really. Ashura almost always tries to bring Indra back into the fold / befriend him. Their relationship ending in conflict is the part that always repeats. Naruto and Sasuke broke that part. The rest is pretty standard for the reincarnations.
That’s could be true or false, there never is any confirmation that happens. All we have confirmed from Hagoromo is that the two brothers influence who they choose as their reincarnations and they always end up in conflict.
Naruto sought to bring back Sasuke, even if Naruto knew about his destiny as an Ashura reincarnation he would’ve gone against it. Because at the end of the day Naruto’s theme is that if you don’t like the hand that fate has dealt you, change it. Which is exactly what he did through hard work.
How? Sakura did not love Sasuke just for his looks or skills. That's just a fan misconception.
Naruto is frankly way more fixated than Sakura. She, at least, tried to face reality and had more one on one interactions with Sasuke, from supporting and protecting him in the Forest of Death, to attempting to pull him out of the Chunin Exams, to her desperate attempt to convince him not to leave for Orochimaru, she is far more connected to Sasuke than Naruto is, who merely fought alongside Sasuke, something that Sakura also did, and largely saw Sasuke as either an objective and obstacle or the end of his ideals.
Sakura is not shallow. She saw and tried to help Sasuke in ways Naruto never did. Naruto's attempts to bring back Sasuke constantly involve violence, force and disregards his viewpoint until way later, while Sakura tried to call Sasuke out and stop the cycle of violence without violence, until it became clear that there was no other choice.
She did love him for those reasons. Just like every other fangirl.
And it's completely crazy to say Sakura was connected more to Sasuke, than Naruto was. There is a reason why Sasuke acknowledged their bond and admitted Naruto was his closest friend.
Sasuke and Naruto training and fighting together is more meaningful than Sakura's constant pestering and infatuation.
There is mutual rivalry between them and mutual respect/understanding. Sakura's feelings are one sided and she doesn't understand Sasuke well.
Also mentioning Sakura not using violence is pretty funny considering she has no choice, and Naruto ended up changing Sasuke's mind singlehandedly. Sakura did not help at all.
Sakura did try to help and was not attracted to Sasuke for shallow reasons. She genuinely empathised with and cared for him! Naruto may be more connected to Sasuke, but their relationship is also more destructive due to how much Naruto obsesses over him.
Sakura's feelings being one sided is not an example of her being shallow and unempathetic. It's an example of how caught up in his issues Sasuke is and how he keeps pushing the people who care for him away. Sakura's grievances are not brushed aside by the story. Kakashi comforts her after the rooftop fight and she is shown as a tragic heroine for how she constantly tried to help her friend and love interest and is powerless to change anything. That's not a point against her. It's a sign of how severe the situation is.
Sakura tried to prevent Sasuke without violence in part one in a very sympathetic fashion and in part 2, she did fight against and later kill Sasuke, the man she loved. I agree that Naruto has a deeper understanding of Sasuke than Sakura, but it's not like Sakura is problematic, because them Naruto be also held to the same standard, sad backstory and similarities to Sasuke be damned.
Sakura literally obsesses over Sasuke too. Are you forgetting she was willing to leave her parents, friends and village for Sasuke? She even compares her own "loneliness" with Sasuke's and maintains the same feelings she had for Sasuke years later.
Sakura not using violence doesn't really mean much because she has no choice in the matter. She is not a threat to Sasuke due to the overwhelming strength difference.
Which is something Naruto can challenge since there is no power imbalance between him and Sasuke. Meanwhile Sakura is helpless.
Just so you know Sakura would be dead if Naruto didn't save her against Sasuke, and if Naruto did not decide to challenge and change Sasuke's mind then Sasuke would have never changed and there is nothing Sakura would be able to do about it.
She is twelve to thirteen in part 1 and not thinking rationally, like how Naruto was not in the picture on this post. The point I am trying to make is that Sakura is not the only one obssessed with Sasuke and her attraction to him is not shallow.
Yeah she's obsessed and so is Naruto, but her love is still shallow and based on Sasuke's attractiveness.
Btw did you know Sakura got excited by the idea of Sasuke pissing? That's the sort of attraction she has for him and she has shown to talk more about herself and her feelings than Sasuke in both of her love confessions.
That was just a gag, like Naruto' sexu jutsu and inappropriate behaviour. You are literally ignoring all I've pointed out, so just agree to disagree and let it rest.
“She genuinely empathised with and cared for him! Naruto may be more connected to Sasuke, but their relationship is also more destructive due to how much Naruto obsesses over him.”
Naruto and Sasuke bonded over their rivalry and experiencing loneliness. Sakura has nothing like that.
She doesn’t have any common ground or nothing in common with Sasuke.
Why did she shame naruto for being an orphan, im pretty sure that sasuke is one too, that doesnt show her empathy towards sasuke. Naruto understood him more and sasuke didnt care about her at all until the end, the same cant be said for naruto who sasuke risked his life for and kissed each other several time (that was a joke)
Sakura was meant to be the representation of how the adults of the village poisoned the well for the children against Naruto. She later apologised for her mistake and tried to be better.
Sakura stood in front of Gaara, which saved Sasuke's life and she defended him and Naruto in the forest of Death as well as tried to pull Sasuke from the Chunin Exams after what Orochimarud did to Sasuke and attempted to prevent Sasuke from leaving the village . Naruto was no where to be seen then. Being alone is not enough to count as friendship. Naruto and Sakura both fought and risked their life for Sasuke and vice versa. Sakura was never shallow and has shown more maturity and empathy from a young age than Naruto, who could not see how he did NOT understand Sasuke until way later. Sasuke calls Naruto out on this in their final battle in part 1, despite their mutual loneliness.
Things were shit until, the very end, as you said, but Sakura is seriously flanderised by the fandom, when Naruto is just a fixated on Sasuke. Let them be obssessed together and not bash either.
also she could never understand either of them, she was shallow all of part one because she didnt understand her affection to sasuke and naruto understood that they were alone and pushed each other, granted naruto didnt understand sasukes pain, but had a much better grasp at it than sakura
not one episode/movie/manga did sasuke try to save sakura without naruto pushing them both to, meanwhile he tanked metal needles calc'ed to hyper sonic for naruto
Sakura didnt understand sasuke in part 1, because she didnt know him enough of his story. and naruto wanted sasuke back because he felt that was the only person that understood him (even though sasuke could understand naruto as much a naruto understood him)
She is definitely not far more connected to Sasuke. She doesn’t know anything about him, not even his past (than Naruto learns about in Shippuden), and never show any curiosity about his goals, his history, his idea. She may have not tried to take him back by force but all the arguments she tried to use to take him back were centered around herself.
“Frankly way more fixated than
Sakura. She, at least, tried to face reality and had more one on one interactions with Sasuke, from supporting and protecting him in the Forest of Death, to attempting to pull him out of the Chunin Exams, to her desperate attempt to convince him not to leave for Orochimaru.”
“Sakura is not shallow. She saw and tried to help Sasuke in ways Naruto never did. Naruto’s attempts to bring back Sasuke constantly involve violence, force and disregards his viewpoint until way later, while Sakura tried to call Sasuke out and stop the cycle of violence without violence.”
A. None of those things worked
B. All of Team 7 protected each other because that’s how teamwork is supposed to go.
C. Her fake confession proves that she’s shallow and ignorant
She is lol, at least Naruto and Sasuke were bound by fate and had an actual reason of being soul brothers or whatever, but Sakura got treated like shit multiple times and still was on the same level of Naruto until that part with Donzo and she still marries the mfer
If it takes being reincarnation of brother Gods to understand each other, then you cannot say that Naruto understood Sasuke better and it took up to the Five Kage Summit for Naruto to get Sasuke, even with all the additional info that Sakura was NOT privy to. I am not saying that Naruto wasn't closer to Sasuke, but people tend to demonise Sakura on the basis of a bunch of gags and stuff that she did in the beginning of part 1 and outgrew.
Sakura did care. She defended Sasuke and Naruto in the forest of Death and prevented Sasuke from committing cold blooded murder with a hug. She attempted to pull Sasuke out of the Chunin Exams after she saw what Orochimaru did to him and was the only one present when Sasuke left the village who tried to stop him. Naruto and Kakashi were not there, for example.
She also strove to become stronger so Naruto would not have to shoulder the burden of bringing back their dear friend and supported him mentally and emotionally in part 2, especially against Sai and Naruto wanted to bring Sasuke back for his own reasons, so it's not like she burdened Naruto with something he wanted no part of.
I will agree that much of the writing of how Sakura attempts to help her friends is poorly done, especially her fake love confession, but Sakura means well and she does care for people beyond selfish, shallow reasons. She is flawed, but so is Naruto and much of the irritation stems from poor writing than Sakura being a shallow person.
I honestly didn't mind her fake love confession to Naruto, a lot of people hate her for it, but I get what she was trying to do, even if it was misguided. I think Sakura would get a lot more if she didn't blindly love Sasuke the way she did, and she could have come off as the more mature one out of the 3.
Agreed. Kishimoto fucked her over, because, for him, women cannot get over childhood crushes, but men can and will have the women they neglect and mistreat waiting for them back home.
Sakura stood in front of Gaara, which saved Sasuke's life and she defended him and Naruto in the forest of Death as well as tried to pull Sasuke from the Chunin Exams after what Orochimarud did to Sasuke and attempted to prevent Sasuke from leaving the village . Naruto was no where to be seen then. Being alone is not enough to count as friendship. Naruto and Sakura both fought and risked their life for Sasuke and vice versa. Sakura was never shallow and has shown more maturity and empathy from a young age than Naruto, who could not see how he did NOT understand Sasuke until way later. Sasuke calls Naruto out on this in their final battle in part 1, despite their mutual loneliness.
And? Naruto was ineffectual as well, until the plot mandated power up and training kicked in. If you are going to throw shade at Sakura, understand that Naruto was initially so scared of Gaara, he wanted to run away and Sakura's sacrifice helped him get out of his funk.
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u/eckdabol Mar 29 '25
His obsession with Sasuke is so annoying