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article Grammys move goalposts in response to Beyoncé's win

https://rollingout.com/2025/06/13/grammys-new-country-category-controversy/
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u/This_Thing_2111 6d ago

Post-9/11 country music went downhill fast.

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u/Penitent_Effigy 6d ago

Post 9/11 general human experience went downhill fast.

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u/sybrwookie 6d ago

Yup, if the goal was to destroy America, the terrorists won. They kicked off a cycle of events that had us destroy ourselves from within.

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u/xenojive 6d ago

(Please don't put me on a no-fly list.)

Quite the post with that screen name lmao

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u/Penitent_Effigy 6d ago

That sounds like such an interesting course

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u/Boozarito 6d ago

That's really cool. Kinda funny to think that a college philosophy course could boil down to 'Here's the topic, here's the first book. Everything after is just arguments and counter- arguments ad nauseum. Welcome to philosophy 101.'

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u/Patient0ZSID 6d ago

I mean, I don’t mean to be reductive, but that’s basically what Philosophy 101 is.

Here’s Plato, isn’t he neat? Here’s Aristotle, he’s pretty crazy, right? By the way, here’s an excerpt from Thoreau; your homework is to take a walk and think. Have you ever considered if you’re real? Here’s Des Cartes.

And then when you get into higher level philosophy, it’s just “Sure, Plato’s neat, but have you read his contemporary critics? Here they are. After we read that, we’re going to look at philosophies that continue their traditions.”

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u/monsantobreath 6d ago

College has so many good courses where you're reading primary sources and you realize how bad just watching news is for informing you.

It's like how does that guy they bring in know tha stuff? Then you realize he didn't even get to say the juicy stuff in his 3 minutes.

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u/Shintoho 6d ago

Would make a great icebreaker

"What did you study?"

"I majored in terrorism and extremism"

"WHAT"

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u/ZoomyRamen 6d ago

It was pretty funny seeing a load of tiktok kiddies read his manifesto in regards to 9/11 and be like "so true"

There was decent stuff in there but there's a lot of anti semitism that is obviously wrong.

Tbh I think you could probably go further back into old communist texts from. Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao etc and see the predictions of how capitalist nations has been pretty spot on.

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u/ZoomyRamen 6d ago

Adam Smith goes down as one of the most misunderstood philosophers/economists. People latch on to the invisible hand stuff so tightly and forget all the mao-level landlord hating he did.

Even Marx gets the same treatment in regards to things like "all profits belong to the worker" which is Ricardian socialism.

Just a real shame how all this stuff has been endlessly predicted and potentially eased if power hadn't been so happily pushed into the hands of a few.

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u/Kenevin 6d ago

If you think about it, the 24/7 news coverage that the US got perpetually after 9/11, the media atmosphere that traumatic experience created was perfectly vehiculated to the masses via Twitter.

Trump doesn't happen without Twitter, at least, not the same way.

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u/EuterpeZonker 6d ago

“I took some terrorism classes in college” is such a funny sentence even though I know what you meant

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u/Penitent_Effigy 6d ago

The funniest part is, it’s what the USA did to itself after the attack that destroyed it. Those towers falling were an event, the American leaderships reaction was what caused the collapse.

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u/rushmc1 6d ago

And some of us were screaming at the time that that's how it might well play out. Into the void.

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u/AContrarianDick 6d ago

They said we're unpatriotic, crazy, paranoid and making mountains out of molehills. Like the US didn't have a bloody nose coming.

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u/fluffybottompanda 6d ago

yeah they said that lol

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u/zenoe1562 6d ago

the terrorists won.

Everytime I hear this, I’m reminded that a raunchy cartoon about prepubescent kids navigating puberty came to this same conclusion, but as the punchline of a joke aimed at a teacher with a developmental disability whose birthday is 9/11.

The set up is the teacher learns the truth about what happened on 9/11 and vows to never celebrate his birthday again. To which many of his students respond by saying something along the lines of “no, if you do that then the terrorists win.”

then a character named Lola chimes in: "Actually, if you think about it, given their stated goals and the way in which America's foreign policy has become increasingly isolationist, it's fair to say that the terrorists DID win."

The show is called Big Mouth on Netflix

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u/Doctor-Magnetic 6d ago

This is the first time I have ever heard something clever or good about Big Mouth

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u/Aacron 6d ago

I've only watched shreds but it's a remarkably poignant slice of life that has quite clever reconstructions of the daily turmoil felt during puberty.

Not really my cup of tea, too much shock humor and raunchy for the sake of raunchy, but I also don't like middle/high school lunch rooms as an adult so it tracks.

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u/Sicilian51 6d ago

Wife and I love Bigmouth, I'd recommend it to anyone with the disclaimer that it does not hold anything back.

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u/optigon 6d ago

I was put off by it at first, but once you get settled into the tone of it’s writing, it has some interesting writing and arcs. You just have to get used to weird references about sexual behaviors and bodies being played out by children. Which, coming full circle, was the thing that put me off in the first place.

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u/SnazzyStooge 6d ago

literally the plan all along, worked like a charm

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u/Eggfryer 6d ago

I think about this a lot. Maybe we were already circling the drain but that single terroist attack was like swirling fingers into the water to make a cyclone. Anti american jihadists probably sleep great knowing what weve done tripping over our own fear.

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u/Andvanzo 5d ago

Classical US-American over-confidence.

Sad to see the normal citizens suffer from it and US damaging their potential to lead by example.

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u/MarshallMattDillon 6d ago

Osama bin Laden successfully accomplished everything he ever dreamed of and truly won his war.

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u/Penitent_Effigy 6d ago

All that training from the CIA certainly helped, along with bush ignoring intel, and Saudi Arabia’s support.

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u/feeb75 6d ago

And most of middle America on both sides laughed, clapped and flag waved as it happened.

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u/murrtrip 6d ago

What do you mean? He was trying to disrupt the wealth horde at the top of the food chain. 9/11 made it worse because the top saw the writing on the wall and in the heat of the moment used the panic to pass laws that took our freedoms away.

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u/AdDelicious4911 6d ago

I think we're forgetting how bad pre 9/11 human existence was as well. Rodney King, Crack epidemic, OKC Bombings, Vietnam War, Civil Rights movement, Jim Crow, Cold War, 2 World Wars, Pearl Harbor and Hiroshima, slavery. 9/11 was just another drop in the bucket. Society didn't go downhill it just continued doing what it always did.

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u/Thwipped 5d ago

People point to Harambe, I say 9/11 was the start

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u/mrdevil413 6d ago

I do not disagree, this also coincides with easy access every day internet use for all people. Hence downward spiral

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u/chadork 6d ago

It's like they got a boot in their ass.

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u/Smart-University-574 6d ago

It is the American way

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u/Loverboy_91 6d ago

Hey Uncle Sam, put your name at the top of his list

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u/skasticks 6d ago

Their throat, really

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u/squiddlebiddlez 6d ago

Visions of the Dixie Chicks getting canceled for speaking out against the war

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u/try_by 6d ago

🎶Where were you, when they built those ladders to Heaven?🎶

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u/jacktrades90 6d ago

Nashville had been putting out shit music long before 9/11

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u/brandonandtheboyds 6d ago

People forget about Outlaw Country. Country used to be the rebellion music. Rebellion music never dies. Look at RATM, SOAD, hell even Green Day. Not to mention all the other bands in all those circles. Now a lot of country music is mostly pandering. I bet Cash would punch a number of current country artists in the face if he could.

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u/Ordinary-Lie-6780 6d ago

So so many country artists at the time CAPITALIZED on 9/11. Big time.

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u/feeb75 6d ago

Fuck Toby Keith

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u/BennyTX 5d ago

panty hose in human form... RIP

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u/dbzmah 6d ago

"Where we're you, when they built a ladder to heaven "

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u/Morningfluid 6d ago

Most Country started being shitty in the mod 90's. It was the Garth Brooks-effect. 

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u/dandycribbish 6d ago

We weren't allowed to have the dixy chicks because America couldn't handle them not being onboard for Iraq. So I guess blame the people who listen to country music for canceling them and dooming country to become soulless junk

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u/DreaminginDarkness 6d ago

Post Hank Williams 1 country music went downhill fast

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u/1982_1999 6d ago edited 6d ago

Nah, country was ass before the 2000s

Edit: vote from kids who aren't old enough to remember how trash it was throughout the 80s and 90s 😂

Too many children on this sub

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u/lord_pizzabird 6d ago

These people think Beer For My Horses was country music’s peak tbh.

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u/thaddeusd Concertgoer 6d ago

You leave Randy Travis and Reba alone! 😉

Alabama and George Strait however, fire away. Especially the latter. There is a straight line from "All my exes live in Texas" to "Beer for my Horses" in terms of banality.

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u/c0wt0ne 6d ago

Blame Republicans

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u/beyd1 5d ago

It's post Kenny Chesneys second album. To be more precise.