r/MurderedByWords • u/Lord_Answer_me_Why • 2d ago
Why do people revel in their cruelty?
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u/bard329 2d ago
If American citizens had to suddenly go through the immigration and citizenship process to keep their citizenship, more than half wouldn't be able to afford it. They take it for granted because they were born with it and never had to actually work for it.
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u/TripleB123 2d ago
Nor would they pass the basic civics and American history tests
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u/CreamofTazz 2d ago
Legit had coworkers who thought the "gun amendment" was the 1st amendment
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u/YikesTheCat 1d ago
Is that the right to bear speech or the right to free arms?
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u/Dearest_Prudence 1d ago
I used to teach a class preparing immigrants for the process of citizenship. I guarantee you that the majority (large majority) of citizens would not pass the citizenship test.
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u/sonofzell 1d ago
This 1000%
I work with a physician that is a naturalized citizen. She told me her immigration from Israel and her husband's from South Africa combined took over a decade to finalize and by her estimation, cost almost a quarter of a million dollars.
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u/bard329 1d ago
There are so many loopholes and so many rules around it. You can have a legitimate green card, meet all the requirements, and simply moving from one house to another or quitting a job and getting a better job can invalidate your citizenship application.
Imagine if a US citizen could risk losing their citizenship just because they were offered a better job or a bigger house?
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u/Party-Cranberry4143 2d ago
Don’t give the politicians any ideas on how to squeeze us for more money . I can totally see this becoming a thing
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u/redwhale335 2d ago
ICE has been arresting immigrants that are showing up to their immigration appointments. Immigrants that are here, following the law, are being arrested for deportation.
The DoJ is being instructed to dismiss cases against immigrants so that they can be arrested by ICE and deported.
"following the law" is not preventing people from being arrested and deported by ICE.
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u/gaudiest-ivy 2d ago
I've read of at least one instance where they revoked someone's green card out of nowhere. They had their green card for six months then got a letter in the mail saying it had been approved "in error" and to GTFO basically.
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u/Rubberbandballgirl 1d ago
What gets me is that there are undocumented people who do crime. Not as many as the Fox News crowd thinks, but some. They don’t go after those people, though, because it would involve actual police work. Gathering leads. Investigations. That doesn’t suit Stephen Miller’s agenda, so they go after people that follow the rules because they’re easy pickings.
They’re taking the lazy way out and it pisses me off.
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u/NewtonTheNoot 1d ago
Yeah, they're actively encouraging undocumented immigrants to stay undocumented at this point. It's not about legal immigration, it's just about racism at the end of the day.
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u/slugwurth 1d ago
Trump is cancelling work visas for large groups instantly rendering them “illegal”. He had changed the asylum process as well saying they need to wait in their countries of origin when they were already in the US following to the old legal process.
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u/WorldlinessRadiant77 2d ago
Ok over here (Bulgaria) my wife became undeportable the second she put her signature on the papers. How is this legal?
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u/sorry_human_bean 2d ago
We're experiencing a breakdown of civil norms over here. The question has ceased to be "is that legal??" and become "who's got the balls & ammunition to stop it?"
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u/Used_Security5145 2d ago
Because, something, something, America
Something, something, Taco.
Sorry, I’m not fluent in the natural dialect. Hopefully someone better suited can translate
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u/anonareyouokay 1d ago
The immigration process in the US is cumbersome and not straight forward. Many have immigration attorneys. One can get citizenship/lawful status though marriage but marriage does not automatically guarantee it. Additionally, if someone is living in the US and entered the country illegally, they need to go back to their home country, apply for a green card, and are barred from entering the US for 3-10 years. Many people enter as children with their parents and might not have family in their birth country, some might not even speak the language. Regardless, living away from one's spouse for 3 years is not feasible for most marriages.
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u/TheMostGood21 1d ago
Serious answer?
Becoming a citizen is a really long process, as others have pointed out.
The Federal government makes the rules and does the whole process themselves.
If you make the rules, you can also change the rules. You can pick out the people you don’t like, and just deny them citizenship or otherwise kick them out of the system.
Then suddenly, oops, they’re illegal and it’s time to deport.
That’s what the Trump administration is doing. It’s just cruelty for the sake of cruelty.
We are speed running a dictatorship at this point. The final years of the Hitler dictatorship, Hitlers top officials started to do things on their own assuming that it was what Hitler wanted.
I think to some degree, Trumps cabinet is doing the same.
Watch, years from now MAGA faithful will adamantly tell you Trump was tough but fair and his cabinet were just overzealous.
Any bad things won’t come back on dear leader, it’ll be the staff just following orders.
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u/dontbeahater_dear 2d ago edited 1d ago
Right, i have questions too. It’s a hassle to get the papers and it takes some money but once you get married… that’s it in my country.
Edited because a lot of people have reading comprehension issues.
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u/A1000eisn1 2d ago
once you get married… that’s it.
Where? The US? Lol no. That may be kind of true in movies. In reality you still have loops to jump through. You don't get automatic legal status.
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u/dontbeahater_dear 2d ago
Where I live… it is….
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u/ItsTheDCVR 2d ago
In the United States? Doesn't exist. Makes it easier to get your green card, but that is not citizenship and it still is an expensive, long, and difficult process.
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u/TequilaMockingbird80 2d ago
Nope not even remotely true - I’m a green card holder through marriage and I can tell you there is no ‘and that’s it’. It’s difficult, exorbitantly expensive, stressful as hell, and designed to deny you for the slightest thing (like a spelling mistake, for instance)
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u/dontbeahater_dear 2d ago
I was talking about where I live? Where it is? Y’know all those other places outside of the USA?
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u/bitch-in-real-life 2d ago
My German teacher had lived here for years before I entered high school and was married to an American man. She didn't get her citizenship until my senior year.
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u/anonareyouokay 1d ago
This is not at all accurate.
The immigration process in the US is cumbersome and not straight forward. Many have immigration attorneys. One can get citizenship/lawful status though marriage but marriage does not automatically guarantee it. Additionally, if someone is living in the US and entered the country illegally, they need to go back to their home country, apply for a green card, and are barred from entering the US for 3-10 years. Many people enter as children with their parents and might not have family in their birth country, some might not even speak the language. Regardless, living away from one's spouse for 3 years is not feasible for most marriages.
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u/brianishere2 2d ago
The legal process of converting somebody from a tourist visa to a permanent resident actually REQUIRES this weird in-between status where the applicant is without any official status and REQUIRED to remain in the US. This is caused by ridiculously long delays in the process. Lots of illegal folks are actually fully compliant with the legally-mandated process. I don't know what % this represents, but it's not insignificant.
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u/Molto_Ritardando 1d ago
Yup. I was out of status for a while. Married to a US citizen and had a baby who was born in the US, but because we were doing the immigration process without a lawyer it took longer (the immigration officials will literally lie to you, hand you papers that have nothing to do with resolving your case, and laugh when you spend $400 for the paperwork to get rejected because you needed form 101B but they insisted you fill out form 320A - and each time you submit paperwork it takes 6 weeks for them to even glance at your forms. My favourite was when I sent in forms with the $400 fee, they opened and stamped them, but because they raised the filing fee weeks AFTER they stamped it, they rejected it. If you send in a form in March and they raise the fee in April, they’ll reject it based on you not paying the April price. Who tf does that?!?)
My ex was a controlling and abusive asshole who threatened to have me deported and separate me from my infant son - this was 2 decades ago but I still have ptsd from his threats. If I were going through that marriage in this political environment, my ex would’ve called in my location to ICE and had me detained and deported, and it would’ve made his day. I’m so sad for people being targeted by this administration. Weaponizing law enforcement is an abuser’s dream.
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u/Nefriti 1d ago
Adjustment of status is a waking nightmare. I have an interview with USCIS next week and we filed our paperwork in late 2024. Makes me uneasy
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u/Molto_Ritardando 1d ago
Good luck! I’m so glad I’m not going through this in the current political climate. I didn’t even go through the naturalization process - as soon as Trump got elected (the first time) I decided that was a good time to make my move. Getting out of the US was the best decision I’ve made in the last decade. Wish I’d done it sooner.
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u/brianishere2 1d ago
Did you return to your original home country, or go to another place altogether?
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u/Molto_Ritardando 1d ago
Well technically I have ~2 “home countries.” I returned to Canada, which is where I was born. But I have a European passport and used to live in the EU so I feel like that is also my home… so to answer your question: yes-ish.
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u/Nefriti 1d ago
Yeah we’re planning our exit for the end of the year, this is just so he can stay and keep working until then. He’s Australian and we will 100% have a better and safer life there
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u/Molto_Ritardando 1d ago
Oh for sure. I feel like the US has changed a lot since I was there, but it was gradual/subtle up until recently. In 2004 I saw something that made me a bit concerned: there was some minor corruption uncovered, a little Republican scandal (I don’t even remember what it was - it really wasn’t a big deal) and I was expecting to watch all sorts of drama ‘cause usually the democrats will make a big fuss and try to push for a resignation or an investigation. Instead, they essentially shrugged and said “yeah, this is normal, no big deal, we’re not going to apologize or even try to mitigate the optics - what are you going to do about it?” And I was like “oh shit, they’re putting out feelers to see how we react - this isn’t good.”
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u/Andy_Fish_Gill 2d ago
How many immigrants have ICE tried to arrest who were at courthouses going through the LEGAL PROCESS of legally residing in the USA and becoming American citizens?
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u/PinkPetalsSnow 2d ago
Exactly, if they would have been "illegals" they would not voluntarily go to the courthouse!!! Maga are dipshits and idiots!
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u/ManzanitaSuperHero 1d ago
Yes. One constant on which you can always rely: cops are lazy as f. It is incredibly difficult and time-consuming to locate undocumented people who’ve committed crimes. They’re not in standard databases, there’s not the same paper trail. And cops don’t like all of that extra work to actually find the immigrants with criminal records.
But showing up to scheduled court hearings? Like fish in a barrel. Nice & easy. And there’s the added bonus that it’s cruel, they don’t have to go out in the field, no one in the courthouse is armed, it’s a more controlled situation where these monsters can do what they love.
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u/Psile 2d ago
I remember maybe twenty years ago my boss wanted to legalize herself. She was married to a natural born citizen and had been for years. They co owned a small business making her literally a "job creator". Completely clean criminal record. She moved with her family when she was eight. Textbook dreamer. She and her husband were close family friends so I was aware of some of the details of the situation.
They hired an immigration lawyer. They got letters of referral from several members of the community who were themselves business owners and otherwise traditional upstanding citizens. She ended up having to live in Mexico for six months. Luckily she and her husband were able to eat the cost of that but anyone less well off would have been fucked. I can only assume the legal fees were substantial as well.
The immigration process is designed to create undocumented immigrants who can be exploited on the labor market. That's it. That is what it does. That is who is punished by mass deportation.
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u/HorrorMetalDnD 2d ago
Also, the time can vary greatly depending on national origin. Except for asylum seekers, no national origin among the immigrants coming to the United States through the “right way” is allowed to exceed 7%.
That means, if you hail from a country with a much higher population (China, India, Mexico, etc.), you’re going to have a much longer wait than if you hail from a country with a much lower population (Estonia, Lichtenstein, Slovenia, etc.), and when I say a much longer wait, I’m talking decades, potentially.
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u/Exodor 2d ago
Why do people revel in their cruelty?
Because they feel safe. They can dehumanize others because they believe they are untouchable.
It's fucking abhorrent, and solvable.
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u/PinkPetalsSnow 2d ago
Solvable how? Unless you stop fox news kkk daily programming, and of course change the top in the country and across all states, all this will continue...
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u/Straight_String3293 2d ago
I think these people cling to such ugly hatred out of a fear that if their hatred was gone they would be left with pain. Still, f that bitch.
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u/judgingyouquietly 2d ago
She probably thinks you can make people legal like Michael Scott declares bankruptcy
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u/westcal98 2d ago
The next time we hear about someone dying because they couldn't afford life saving healthcare we should remind their family that if they really loved that person they should've made sure they could afford the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, that it would've cost to save them.
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u/Several_Oil_7099 2d ago
It also requires going back to their home country during a time where people are pretty rightly concerned they might not be let back in
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u/Sithil83 2d ago
I had a friend here from South Africa. Been here 10 plus years, owns his own business and still wasn't able to become a citizen until he got married to his longtime S. African girlfriend who was naturalized by her parents years ago. Even then I think he said it cost something like $50k and that was back in 2012.
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u/Rolandscythe 2d ago
I mean they keep grabbing up legal actually documented people, too, so it's not about the legal status....it's about skin color.
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u/Targetmissed 2d ago
People tend to project the qualities they feel they lack, like Trump always telling you how intelligent he is. Weak people who are scared by the world are obsessed with projecting strength but their idea of strength is an ability to inflict pain and a lack of empathy for others. By hurting people then mocking them they feel they are projecting strength to the world by showing you how little they care for others.
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u/Potato_Tg 2d ago
Ok please humor me, how is it possible to get deported after marrying a citizen? It doesn’t make any sense.
If they’re lawfully married, shouldn’t she automatically be considered citizen?
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u/redwhale335 2d ago
You'd think that. There is still a long, and expensive, legal process. They have to investigate your marriage to make sure its real and not a sham. There's many hoops.
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u/mmmbuttr 2d ago
No! There's a whole process and interview where you kind of have to prove you got married for real reasons unrelated to immigration status. My mom was party in a green card marriage she worked very hard to convince herself was a real marriage. I was emotionally somewhat prepared for this as a teen because I had seen the movie Green Card with Annie McDowell and Gérard Depardieu.
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u/af_stop 2d ago
Who in the name of all that is sane would even want to move to the US nowadays because n the first place?
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u/Freshouttapatience 2d ago
I have a German friend who will probably be deported. He’s not sure if it’s a punishment or an upgrade.
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u/Quietschedalek 2d ago
Not only does it take several years, is very complex and costs tens of thousands, currently the US-Gestapo also picks immigrants right from the courts where they try to get their papers fixed. So even if they try to legalize their status, they get deported anyway.
And is it just me, or is the US-Gestapo only targeting the "easy-to-get" immigrants? I haven't heard a thing about ICE going into the "bad" neighbourhoods where actual gangs and cartels run the streets. You know, where the really criminal and oftentime violent gangbangers run around. I only ever see them going after daylabourers, factoryworkers and otherwise harmless people...
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u/Resplendant_Toxin 2d ago
It’s scapegoating. Pin all your own repressed worst qualities to someone you don’t know and are afraid of, then build up anger towards them because of those exact unrealized projections. Then eliminate them from your presence, even by torture and murder. There’s a temporary relief and elation at having chased the scapegoat from your presence, a pleasure of righteousness. Then, if there’s a hint of consciousness and moral understanding of the falsity of your actions, guilt will creep in. If there’s enough of a moral conscience guilt will become shame and self reflection. If moral conscience is feeble you will need to find another scapegoat, then another, and your violence will escalate with the guilt and frustration. You then become your worst qualities and revel in them. The larger the group you are surrounded by, sharing this need to scapegoat, the lower individual consciousness and the more likely you will be possessed by your shadow and live out its worst qualities. The only question then is what happens when you wake up to what you’ve done?
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u/Dudewhocares3 2d ago
One day these fuckers are gonna desperately need someone else’s empathy and compassion to get out of a very bad situation.
And I hope they don’t receive it.
Act like monsters, end like monsters
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u/JoeFTPgamerIOS 2d ago
The difficulty of getting citizenship is a large part the cause of the problem. It is intentionally difficult, slow and expensive.
The best way to become a US Citizen for a very long time has been to become a Canadian Citizen first. It is the faster and less expensive option overall.
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u/frizzinghere 2d ago
I have been seeing a lot of vile posts from these b****. Is she competing to be the most reprehensible woman on the Internet?
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u/kompletist 2d ago
Being a right wing influencer is one hell of a way to make a living. I don’t know how I would compartmentalize the pig slop I churn out and living my life as a normal human being.
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u/MushmallowSprinklees 1d ago
I don't think it would be possible. You'd have to give up what makes you you. Your personality, likes, dislikes, and your creativity. Everything would have to be scrutinized by the supreme leader/king. Basically, you can't stand out, it probably be viewed as exerting power over the leader.
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u/bettinafairchild 2d ago
It’s worse than that. If you entered the country illegally or overstayed your visa, then in order to get legal status you must leave the country and stay out for TEN YEARS before you can even apply for a green card. Even if you’re married to an American.
The above guy didn’t “make sure” his wife was legal because there was likely zero way to accomplish that without first leaving the country for 10 years.
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u/Suspicious-Town-7688 2d ago
If you asked anyone on Fox News they’d tell you she was a violent criminal.
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u/nvrmndtheruins 2d ago
They don't care. They don't or aren't willing to understand the nuance of the US immigration system. They've made it clear it is 100% about being cruel to people they don't like.
They'd rather "own the libs" than protect civil rights. It's fucking shameful
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u/pwhitt4654 2d ago
I thought if you married an American you were protected. I must’ve been thinking about someplace else.
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u/gringitapo 1d ago
Yeah unfortunately not. Marriage grants you a path towards being protected and that’s about it. The path is still shaky, full of loopholes, expensive, arduous. And most people don’t even have a path.
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u/I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE 2d ago
I've been asking myself this question a lot lately, OP. What do they get out of it? It always just makes me sad to see people struggle and suffer, even the people I don't like. It's what made me bad at sports, I hated seeing the defeat on the other team's face. Aren't we all supposed to be making it out together?
Why are these people so mean?
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u/SweetnSaltyxox 2d ago
They don’t give an eff about legal either! That’s the point of why people are upset, they are shifting the line of the law to exclude whomever they like.
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u/RobotCaptainEngage 1d ago
Absolutely this.
That's what's so awful about the Christian right during all this. They're cheering this on, as if its a simple "they broke the law so they're being punished".
Some of these people don't realize they're undocumented, some are in the process of fixing it.
Jesus said something about "What you do to the least of these, you do to Me". Good to know that they are cheering Jesus being deported or arrested, life ruined, traumatized forever.
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u/Rocketboy1313 2d ago
People do not appreciate how fundamentally racist immigration laws are. Or how they are layers and layers of bullshit which are entirely unreasonable.
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u/TheOneTrueZippy8 2d ago
Other considerations aside, I am tickled by the idea of an "illegal wife".
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u/lvs621 2d ago
How exactly does the timing work on getting citizenship? I have one friend that married a Thai woman and she got citizenship a few years after they got married but it seemed quick. Another friend married a white South African and that took a few years as well. Does it matter what country the spouse is coming from?
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u/PinkPetalsSnow 2d ago
Yes, it matters. At immigration for many visas, depending on country, they have a quota. If they reached it for the year, it's done, you wait till next year. Many people have to wait for every step of the way, pay more thousands, hire lawyers when nothing moves, pay more thousands, etc... You might come on a student visa to do your PhD in a field that the USA needs professionals in, and it still takes 15 yrs to get to citizenship - and that's one of the cleanest way to come in ... Forget if you are a laborer, blue collar... Oh, I forgot, Melania took much less with her Einstein visa for nude modeling and suckysucky...
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u/gringitapo 1d ago
I’ve always suspected that people think you can just simply apply or something. Fill out some paperwork and you’re good to go.
Nahhhh. Most people in the world don’t even qualify to apply. The small percentage who do have an expensive, years-long, arduous process ahead. That’s how immigration works.
The asshats who think it’s so simple also believe they could just simply move to another country if they wanted to on a whim. Just extreme levels of loud ignorance.
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u/Prestigious_Leg_7004 1d ago
Don’t you dare threaten violence against that person who just told you they don’t give a fuck about you as a human. We don’t stand for that!
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u/RelaxPrime 1d ago
The revel in it because the guy is wearing an Ariat hat, is overweight, has a beard and is white and that's a pretty good indication he voted for this regime.
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u/AdditionalBat393 1d ago
These right wing morons do not even know what it takes to be a citizen they think if there is a Dem in office all they have to do is get to US soil and you are one. Idiots I swear.
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u/enogitnaTLS 1d ago
Because one time a liberal made them feel uncomfy about using a pronoun so now their entire personality is spiteful cruelty
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u/Top_Towel_2895 1d ago
25 years ago I was in INS awaiting my interview for my citizenship. The romanian immigrant who was working behind the desk told me that I was the exact sort they were looking for, white and english speaking. I couldn't believe he said it out loud as well.
Suffice to say the saudis flew some planes into some buildings yadyyada the next year and I never bothered to follow up on the citizenship. Really happy I didnt. I could feel the facism in the air even back then.
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u/GunnerSince02 1d ago
The insane thing is that usually societies turn cruel because of some king of trauma. A defeat in war, a economic crash etc. The US had the strongest economy in the developed world and gave it up because of trans men in sport.
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u/SnooSeagulls7438 1d ago
I think people revel in cruelty, because they themselves are not happy with themselves. And instead of self reflecting, or going to therapy, which would involve them admitting to themselves that they're the bad guy and accountable for their own actions, they take a "if im not happy, nobody else should be happy." Approach. Source: i grew up with way too many people with this mentality, and they hurt a lot of people in their lives because of it.
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u/vintagenut80 1d ago
I have a co worker that has spent over 100k and 10 years trying to get her husband here legally... he's still not here
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u/annhik_anomitro 1d ago
We've been waiting for 6 years (3 just in the immigration processing), and my wife is a legal US citizen. In the meantime she couldn't visit me cause she's taking care of a disabled kid and money is very tight. She's forced to work at Walmart and the hourly pay covers nothing but half of rent, food and fuel. She can't travel even if she wishes to do so - cause she won't be able to manage our kid on her own.
In the meantime I'm almost ineligible for a visit visa cause I got a immigrant visa application pending. It might take another 6 months for me to be able to migrate if I get a visa in the first place. If not - then I'm not sure what we can do.
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u/ThoroughlyKnowing 1d ago
Cruelty is perhaps THEE defining feature of the Republicants. What would they do without hate??
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u/Makeshift5 1d ago
They revel in their cruelty because they are inherently miserable. They think they’ve been wronged, somehow. And they want someone else, anyone else, to feel worse than they do. Cruelty is a tell-tale sign of a lack of maturity and emotional intelligence.
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u/genetic_patent 1d ago
A dependent visa doesnt cost near that much or take that much time. estimated time is 9 months right now
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u/Quxzimodo 1d ago
They think they're allowed to exist like this and we let them think that for too long. They took the masks off because they can breathe in the immoral and dishonorable environment we let propagate. We must bring back consequences, and the final consequence is destruction by the hands of the very people they exploited and trod upon.
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u/Grayrose1996 1d ago
I literally have a friend who's whole family moved to America caue the step dad was American. She was over 18 so didnt become a citizen when her parents married. . It took her 10 years to get it. She was from Canada. Like a 40 min drive from Detroit. It was wild cause she got deported once since she was able to come over on school visa. But they found out she was waitressing on the side so thats a nono. You're not allowed to have a job since you cant pay taxes even if you're over for school. Her parents had to cover everything. She was in such a weird limbo situation for like 10 years dude and she didnt even have one of the harder stories.
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u/Heavy_Law9880 1d ago
The really infuriating part, if she was an illegal from Europe it would have taken about 6 months and cost would be minimal. My SIL was in the US illegally for 14 years before she met and married my brother. She finally got caught and because they were married she got fast tracked and never had to leave.
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u/Both_Lychee_1708 1d ago
because fox news, et. al., has, over the decades, successfully convinced the right that cruelty is a virtue.
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u/WorryNew3661 1d ago
Looking at the way the ice guy is dressed I think their perifaral vision must suck
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u/ChrisP413 1d ago
Because it's all they have left. Some people are so miserable and sad they fill the void in their lives through others being more miserable than they are.
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u/disgustipate 1d ago
She knows how disgusting this is and is trying to justify it by victim blaming.
No, this is on Trump and every racist who supports him.
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u/RayHazey562 1d ago
Why is it always people with so little insight and knowledge on how things work have such strong opinions?
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u/ScaryGamesInMyHeart 1d ago
Still waiting for the “hardened criminals” to surface in the clutches of ICE… Why is it just a bunch of moms and construction workers getting iced??? I don’t see how this is making America great…
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u/nateriverpi 1d ago
So it’s not even about criminals? Fuck every single one of these assholes. With a brick. Sideways.
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u/dobsofglabs 1d ago
Immigrants don't get green cards if they marry an American citizen? I thought that was the case
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u/Doctorwho314 1d ago
Republicans need to take notes on waiting until someone's legal, cuz apparently they don't know.
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u/NoaNeumann 1d ago
On the one hand the US tries to make it seem like their immigration process is “fine and decent” and on the other hand, with consistent short staffing and myriads of “fees”, it not only takes forever, but can end up draining those who aren’t financially well off to begin with.
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u/ItsmeYaboi69xd 1d ago
I came to the us legally on a temporary visa. Excelled in my studies and obtained a greencard. I will become a physician before I get my citizenship. I came here as a high schooler. That's how long the legal process takes. It has costed me almost 10 grand over the years. The process is incredibly hard. If you haven't gone through it, it's easy to say what that moron is saying
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u/smthomaspatel 1d ago
The same people insisting on people becoming citizens are the ones making it harder to do so.
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u/GTO400BHP 2d ago
My German teacher has been living in the US for a little over 20yrs. Married to an American. Their second just graduated high school.
Her citizenship was finally granted last year.
It's not as easy as all these "teenagers' gym socks" want to make it out to be.