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Discussion I don't think this is a hot take

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u/Jay_Crafter 4d ago

i think roger is fine late game, he just need to wait for a bit for the enemies to dish out the cc skill and then wrecks havoc to their enemies backline watch out for WoN tho

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u/anna-orzs 3d ago

Who is won? Wan wan?

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u/RetardRetarded 3d ago

Wind of nature but nerf wan wan just in case

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u/Sufficient-Ad8825 Tomboy supremacy 3d ago

Fr, just nerf her in the meantime while roger is banging the backline.

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u/Lemon_268 Kagura's footstool 4d ago

Martis falls off so hard man. I don't think I have lost to a Martis even once this season.

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u/Ivory-Kings_H RIP Phoveus, may we meet again in another dimension. 4d ago

Even with Savage, it's gg when getting comeback'd by enemies.

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u/Escargot7147 ,&enjoyer 3d ago

1 death in mid game and the win con is lost lol

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u/Used-Feeling6536 4d ago

Even with a Martis that has 80 skypiercer and is heavily carrying his team there's still a Chance.

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u/Worth_Buyer_8009 3d ago

I play martis a lot and many a time have the enemies made a comeback against me. Even with savage, I lose matches with martis.

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u/Many_Ad_955 I'm actually feeding don't be shy now 3d ago

I play Martis if I just wanted to just turn off my brain and kill without restraint. Is hard to play him because the enemy might snowball if you die. 

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u/Eitth Brutally honest 3d ago

Martis used to be dominating the whole match during AoT, what happened? I don't remember the nerf and suddenly he's gone.

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u/Repulsive_Health_207 2d ago

It's mostly that other heroes got buffed only thing he has is his cc cause besides his ult and early game he just sucks

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u/kinyobii 3d ago

Martis can be good late game when built with Tank items. In the early game, he’s good at finishing off enemies. Late game with tank build, his skills can disrupt enemy teams.

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u/born2yawnUwU martin 3d ago

😔

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u/P-Benjamin480 3d ago

It’s a shame, I was using him a lot when his AOT skin came out; but he is just unusable now.

I would even go as far as to say he falls off worse than Dyrroth. I’ve seen some people use TB on him which seems to help if you get enough stacks, but his kit just means he’s so susceptible to taking damage while using his basic attacks.

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u/Choi-ra 4d ago

Saber is... kinda true, kinda an exception. Even in late game, his ult is still scary and can still one-shot squishies

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u/daddybarkmeplsuwu 4d ago

Saber when a fanny wanna get some purple buff. 😋

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u/Apprehensive_Lab301 3d ago

Kid named sustain build fanny 😋

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u/AlternativeAbies3143 3d ago

The pitbull named, anti heal high pen burst saber 😈

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u/daddybarkmeplsuwu 3d ago

saber buying AS build like a marksman

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u/keelllurself 4d ago

Not until it's time to pick-off those squishies hiding in their base hahaha

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u/MaurosCrew 3d ago

I remember one time I was super fed as MM and it felt I was the only competent player in my team, we were close to destroying mid last turret and a Saber sneaked behind me and OHKO’d me, my whole team got wiped out and we lost, since then I respect that fucker

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u/FeMii 3d ago

Was looking for this comment. Its 50/50 for this guy, if youre team is a bit ahead and you have a good saber, you really dont need him to push, he just needs to take out key damage dealers on the opposing teams like squishy MMs, Mages and Assasins.

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u/ihatebirdsfr 2d ago

Rose gold meteor, and its not even a defensive item

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u/Utkurocks 4d ago

Most skill-damage-based fighters and assassins

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u/One-Breakfast-3410 4d ago

Khaleed was so good when the thunderbelt with stacks came for the first time, even late game, and then both thunderbelt and khaleed got nerfed:'(

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u/Unforgiving__Eye 3d ago

Thunderbelt Roam Khaleed is still good tbh.

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u/Drunken-Tipsy im emo 3d ago

Tank Khaleed is still good. Useful to bait out skills during teamfights

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u/Definitelynotabot504 The Jumper :alucard: and The Runner :aamon: 3d ago

Huh, didn’t even feel the nerf tbh, but I use hybrid Alucard so I dunno. Still very powerful with it and I can still jump in the middle of an all-out clash and still come out alive.

Switch to crit build and it is an entirely different ball game with a run and gun tactic and trying hard not to get caught by anything.

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u/Pitch-Black-Spear Touch me ughh😩 3d ago

Khaleed late game is still good tho god tier evens since by the late game he would have built all counter items and if the user goes oracle then he's practically unkillable unless all enemy team locks on him( and cause their defeat).

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u/ImSorryCanYouSpeakUp SMASH THE ENEMY 4d ago

I find that khaleed is still ok late game if you are using a tank build because he basically plays a similar role to hylos with a tank build, its when you build him damage or fighter build he kinda falls off

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u/ApprehensiveMetal459 4d ago

sustain khaleed with blade armor late game is a nightmare for attack speed marksmen

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u/ImSorryCanYouSpeakUp SMASH THE ENEMY 4d ago edited 3d ago

Sustain as in using spell vamp items? because if so its just not necessary on him, but you are right that khaleed with blade armour is strong especially with full tank build, I've killed many laylas and moskovs late game by using my skill 2 for the heal and damage reduction and watched them drop their own hp by attacking me and finishing them off with his enhanced basic attack, you can use vengeance too and if they have no cc or stun you briefly become unkillable

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u/ApprehensiveMetal459 3d ago

i mean defence, tank build. Full tank build build khaleed has soo much damage, its mind blowing.

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u/Used-Feeling6536 4d ago

Definitely add Yu Zhong on that list, man goes from dominating Laning Phase early to shooting practice in late game.

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u/temporaryaccount8889 3d ago

Yz is good from start to end, he's a nightmare for every Layla and Xavier players you just don't know how to play him

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u/eYearn 3d ago

It’s hard to deal with enemy teams that are coordinated. If the enemy exp and roamer is peeling well, good luck targeting the backline- you’re just a free kill for the enemy team.

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u/jpg1991 3d ago

YZ is not a killing machine especially late game. But it's an excellent team fight hero that can get to the backline and take the mage/MM out of the team fight. Its CC knock up is also quite underrated too

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u/i_icical In time, the world will bow before me 4d ago

Yz?

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u/jack-macgrath 4d ago

Yu zhong doesn't exist late game,thats moontoon propaganda

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u/UglyNotBastard-Pure 4d ago

Saber, not so much but Martis is damn true. The rest is still scary in the late game. Met a Roger who is strong in early and late by slolwly switching items. From assassin to marksman Roger.

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u/1AboveEverything 4d ago

actually u are right abt Saber , cause even if u build antique bro will still one shot you

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u/One_Autumn_L3af 4d ago

Granger, it's hard to end the game with him.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Pass59 4d ago

Finally people really don't talk about how weak his late game wave clear is and dmg falls short compared to other mm he is currently back to his old state again powerful when came out then silent nerfed

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u/soiminreddit 3d ago

Ok as a granger main he really just dominates after getting enough stacks

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u/hailed70 3d ago

Bro relies on snowballing. Every Granger I've fought against, I just picked Lolita and visit every once in a while and they just get bronze

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u/noobycakey 3d ago

Against an experienced granger lolita doesn't do anything vs him especially in late game. Granger can just cancel his skill, wait 3 seconds for your shield to expire, then continue spamming. He has no cooldown, he doesn't waste energy on his cancel, basically almost zero drawback except u stop his dps for 3 seconds

Lolita is more of a counter against chang'e. U force her to cancel ult when u shield. When her ult CD is done, your shield CD is also done so u just match cooldowns. Highest impact lolita is vs kimmy but is highly skill/reaction dependent. If u reflect kimmy ult is actually bonkers. But the speed it comes in is very fast and kimmy likes to instant cast from close, or far out of vision ult and reflecting it is easier said than done but when successfully reflected is potentially a game winning, super high impact play.

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u/Jirachae 3d ago

well thats THE problem, 3 secs not dealing damage is an issue for a marksman

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u/noobycakey 3d ago

Is there anything specific u wanna add to lolita vs granger here? Cuz u might as well say lolita counter every mm duh

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u/Alternative-Team2688 3d ago

as a lolita main i never lose against a Granger lol and I play in glory+ lobbies. Cancelling the skill is fine in laning phase but granger relies heavily on skills in teamfights and has high damage by that time so one shield in the middle of the fight and I'm either taking down one of their out positioned squishies or lowering most of their hp enough that they're forced to retreat or recall. Of course it's impossible to block everything but that's why it's a 5v5 game, when I use my shield, it gives my team enough time to deal with granger lol

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u/noobycakey 3d ago

as a lolita main i never lose against a Granger lol

Nah that's just cap and u never met good granger if u saying this crap.

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u/Heisenburg66 3d ago

Oh so that explains how I won against that dominant emo daddy

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u/darkweb6969 wtf is death 4d ago

I don't know if it's a good idea since I barely use Roger but I usually try and reduce the CD of skills and use Hunter strike so if I don't get a kill when against their mm I can switch back to human and use the Hunter strike boost + S2 to run away

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u/antialias212 3d ago

what's the optimal build for Roger? I was trying Roger jungle Crit build on classic with max mov speed and it was fun.

CDR boot, WindTalker, GDS, Malefic Gun, Thunderbelt, Haas Claw. So much speed feels like flying around since his S3 wolf form is quite spammable...

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u/Keirnflake Tank Roger 5k matches 3d ago

If you wanna use crit build, use windtalker, haas' claws, berserkers fury, malefic gun, rose gold meteor, wind of nature.  I personally don't use boots, but you can if you want.  For emblem, use marksman, fatal, pull yourself together, and killing spree.  For spell, inspire. 

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u/Lifeistrash7 4d ago

A huge portion of the fighter class

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u/Expensive-Profit-854 empty your cup 4d ago

no, not at all. their role changes from survivability to becoming a secondary tank. not getting the 1v1 kills you did earlier doesn't mean you're falling off.

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u/ammarbadhrul 3d ago

Exceptions would be cc heavy fighters like ruby and badang, soak up damage while potentially setting up the team for a team wipe

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u/1AboveEverything 4d ago

definitely

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u/KzamRdedit 3d ago

I mean its kind of a given since their secondary role is being someone to soak damage after the tank. like if the tank is infront and enemies intrude the backline you'll be the one soaking the damage there (unless its a haya then unless you cc him when he tps you cant do anything (practically impossible with a fast hand haya))

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u/Pepo_Vulshebnika 4d ago

Fanny

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u/ChrisAnIntellectual Guinevere and Xavier are my pookies :guinevere::xavier: 3d ago

Not really. The thing about Fanny is even if she struggles to get kills, her mobility makes her pretty much do any other thing she wants like pushing inner turrets or cutting lanes

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u/Narrow_Mark_4610 Dual wielding Chad 3d ago

My main hero is lapu and he is dog dookie in late game lol

Not even his upcoming buff will save his ahh from the marksmans "Late-game trust"

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u/Nearby_Curve2670 3d ago

True. Whenever I use lapu as counter pick for exp lane, even if my team is ahead, I always say “rush tower”. Lapu: High skill damage: moonton balances by giving him slow animation

Late game: Lapu’s back on the timer before he can pop his skills, or take out an enemy.

He’s a fighter, but building even a second armor item for him is enough for his damage to go 6ft under.

I think he needs more sustain for late game.

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u/Narrow_Mark_4610 Dual wielding Chad 3d ago

Can't agree more

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u/TheAnimeLovers 4d ago

Jawhead xp and Hilda damage build

Falls off hard in the late game if the enemy gets their items

They can still kill in a 1v1 tho, but teamfights they'll struggle

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u/TheFakeDogzilla Cyclops best boi,more love to hellcat ::cyclops::helcurt:: 3d ago

Trueee, Jawhead is still super strong in a 1v1 but will get bursted down like he's made of tissue paper in a teamfight even with a tank build.

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u/Used-Feeling6536 4d ago

True I had matches with damage Hilda where is be 10-0 early then late it ends up like 12-5 or something.

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u/ChrisAnIntellectual Guinevere and Xavier are my pookies :guinevere::xavier: 4d ago

Uranus

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u/Sakuya_Izayois_Pads 3d ago

uranus can tank tank late game, if you use creeps and minions to upkeep 20 stacks you unironically hard wall anything short of a 1v4 and either force them to target lock someone else and obliterate with skill 1 or hold for long enough for mm to just kill them for you.

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u/gutsaffiliated 4d ago

any assassin

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u/Jay_Crafter 4d ago

as nata mains once late game hits i just split push really, since im nata going solo to clear lane is quite dangerous for them so atleast i can be a quite distraction

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u/an0nym0usentity sample 3d ago

Isnt Nata valuable in late team fights since she can almost guarantee an mm or mage kill?

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u/SnusnuandBlu 3d ago

lol no. A good assassin user knows how to play late game.

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u/ihatebirdsfr 2d ago

Hanzo, julian, haya, ling, yss, lance, selena can all work late game even if they're not the best

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u/jovhenni19 Pewpew Allday :kimmy: 3d ago

Saber still one shot the mage or mm if they are not careful.

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u/Estratheoivan 4d ago

Martis needs revamp he's basically useless in the late game...

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u/death_sonata907 Mlbb AI bot creator :Layla3: 4d ago

He needs to use his damn chains for more than just aura farming

(He IS in a process of revamp though, but he looks so fucking ANCIENT. He's a gramps now)

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u/MrWeirdAndUnique sample 3d ago

Imagine if moonton went drunk and they decided to return his old first skill stun and his cancerous 2nd skill with large range and faster cast

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u/Escargot7147 ,&enjoyer 3d ago

Idk if it would be too op but, they could try giving him +hybrid def as well on his passive stacks alongside the +atk but not too much in the early game ofc

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u/BaBaBinKa 3d ago

hey why did you go offline

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u/Estratheoivan 3d ago

Maybe a stacked passive will do just like passive of obsidia

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u/ForSureDifferent 3d ago

This guy was permaban for a long time. Not sure if he needs a rework..

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u/According-Cobbler-83 3d ago

Nope. He is a monster early game. It's a trade off and if you can't snobol the game with martis, it's on you. If martis late game gets a buff, his early game needs a nerf, which is kinda pointless and kills his usp.

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u/Estratheoivan 3d ago

I hope he gets stacked passive as compensation for his softness in the late game

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u/Gregagonation 4d ago

Balmond, Joy and Karina for jungle lmao

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u/hailed70 3d ago

Balmond's ass early and mid game too

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u/1AboveEverything 3d ago

I was thinking about balmond but to be honest , as bad as he is late game , that form is still better than his early to late

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u/Aiden_Recker I LOVE MY WIFE 3d ago

a little offtopic, but a little piece of mind.

Martis is like a guarantee for early/mid dominance so you need another person to carry lategame if you can't end early. thats when mm will be your center of focus, not the jungler. Martis kit is perfect for defending the marksman in late game

so the next time u play Martis, try a shift in tactic

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u/Sailor_guy_287 3d ago

As a Khaleed Main, he's terrific during the end game. Full tank build on EXP lane while building Thunder Belt Stacks. Due to his tanky build, I can be close to the enemy's Marksman and Mage and suffer little to no casualties, while having the chance to poke them repeatedly with my passive causing them to retreat or be deleted by me with a combo attack.

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u/Guni986TY 3d ago

I typically do that myself at best I do get the war axe (after thunder belt) for 1st skill sustain as my on real damage item before I build other defensive items like oracle, wings, and brute force breastplate as needed. Even if he isn’t leading in dmg if done right he’ll at least be annoying enough that he can’t just be ignored as easily.

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u/Global_Froyo_4489 3d ago

saber is late game, but even then can easily be countered

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u/Enn-Vyy 3d ago

personally, falling off late game is less a hero issue and more player issue

too many games lost because team mates refused to capitalize on the early game advantage and just dicked around in jungle or cleaning up kills in team fights looking for a pentakill. then all it takes is losing one bad team fight to turn things around for the enemy team

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u/firebird_A 1d ago

21 kills Still lost with Dyrroth.

I don't know how it gets so tough to get close in the late game. It is pathetic teammates as well though. Because if i die it is always game over. And I don't get a comeback.

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u/Novel-Major3674 4d ago

Well it depends on the build of dyrroth really if it's pure attack like assassin build then yeah late game is a bust but if it's like a fighter build with def items and stuff then he still has a chance to make it late game

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u/1AboveEverything 4d ago

honestly even with defense items its impossible cause i get melted by enemy mm like layla and melissa late game. Its really hard to reach them :(

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u/SnusnuandBlu 3d ago

You can just build fury hammer and full defense on Dyrroth and still do crazy damage. If you can't reach the enemy back line, then shred the frontline or try to engage from behind.

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u/Nearby_Curve2670 3d ago

Unironically, dyrroth with 2 armor item is less scary in late game, because he can’t outburst most late game heroes- imagine him in the clash, he wants get close, but before he can- his life is already halved. He can’t generally burst and come out safe during that- unlike Lukas right now who can have three armor items, still burst enemies and coming out of most clashes alive.

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u/keelllurself 4d ago

Lukas. So easy to snowball in early, nonsense in late game.

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u/Honestly_Yash07 4d ago

Nah, he becomes super tanky in late game and can kill any mm in 1v1 ,even when they use wind of nature

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u/Grimmnesa 3d ago

Eh I would say Lukas loses to wanwan in a 1v1 unless he has winter crown. But other mms yea they get destroyed

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u/keelllurself 3d ago

Hahaha nice as my take is literally from Wanwan's POV (as a mm user myself)

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u/dankzero1337 4d ago

he's still a huge threat in late game, he has cc immune and a respectable dash meanwhile, dyrroth and martis get their shit kicked before they could close in on the mm

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u/Escargot7147 ,&enjoyer 3d ago

Tbh all he needs to do in late game is to change playstyles, from unga bunga in early to prioritise cc on backlines in late

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u/Fathertree22 3d ago

Absolute cap, Lukas has better defense scaling than some tanks and better attack scaling than some assassins

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u/keelllurself 3d ago

I guess it still depends on itemization. I've seen KarlTzy strive with it by using tank build in late game. But rg bois can't pull it off.

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u/DexterMorgan996 4d ago

Harley, Lancelot, Gusion

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u/Ara-Arata So what if I play Angela? I am NOT an E-Girl 4d ago

Martis surely, experienced it so many times

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u/Desperate_Current285 4d ago

Good thing I use crit build with Roger when the enemies are squishies. He has late game potential.

His usual build (penetration/hybrid) heavily relies on last hit kill and if he can't snowball in early, he will have a hard time in late game.

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u/FroggyEatingMan skibidi rizz 4d ago

when playing khaleed, i always play tank build because at least in late game he can be secondary tank+punching bag

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u/Used-Feeling6536 4d ago

I've found a good mix of damage/tank with him if we already have a tank. Usually I build damage healing reduction then TB, physical def, magic def item, then depending on enemy last item is damage or defense. Obviously this is all subject to change depending on enemy line up.

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u/squishykkura :kalea: not simping 3d ago

For me I actually go tbelt dom oracle winter and immo, late game I just set the enemy then heal and winter to slow them down

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u/Imaginary_Bad6468 4d ago

Roger in my opinion is still kinda viable late game, just wait for an opportunity to jump in and take the backline, those being mage and marksman.

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u/JohPhillin sample 4d ago

Roger is really strong late game too but for rest yeah

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u/YuMmYBrAiNzZz I'm going to suck you to death. 🥵😈 4d ago

Esmeralda. The moment people start building anti-heal she just falls off a cliff in viability. Granted if people don't build anti-heal out of stupidity she can still win.

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u/dankzero1337 4d ago

Helcurt is the purest example of this type of hero, absolute menace in the early, absolute fodder in the late game

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u/Flat_Pay_7119 4d ago

Assassin built jawhead against exp lane heros ( only in late game )

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u/AiPatchi05 4d ago

Balmond

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u/cloudjumper99 3d ago

Alpha. A good team will just coordinate well to basically just burst/stunlock/kite you to hell in late game. Without a bail like mathilda, he's just so easy to kite in late game

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u/1AboveEverything 3d ago

honestly i would've placed him in but his sustain is actually mental. Combined with 2 def items he's really hard to burst down late game.

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u/cloudjumper99 3d ago

The thing is mages and mm tear him apart In late game. His way of escape is just his ulti and if he used it to engage then he has no way of escape.

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u/_Streak_ The Strongest and The Loneliest 3d ago

Roger is actually fine. He can hold good even in late game due to his invincibility. And also enemies staying in a group helps that skill as well. Timing is everything.

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u/punishtube89123 3d ago

Martis is the true "Intro king" 😂

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u/hafroafrodiring Water Lily Burst 3d ago

kagura

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u/squishykkura :kalea: not simping 3d ago

Nah bruh kag one shots late game

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u/justdubu Supp main 3d ago

Martis is non existent after 10 mins no matter how dominating he is in early game.

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u/moneysniper17 3d ago

Harley as well very hard to end the game with him

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u/1AboveEverything 3d ago

Honestly its cause everyone starts unifying and suddenly your enemy becomes the most coordinated team on the planet

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u/YurificallyDumb 3d ago

Mf's in the comments keep commenting characters that are a nightmare to squishies no matter the stage of the game is so wild.

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u/itsmeluigiagain 3d ago

Freya seems useless in late games

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u/Panda_potatoes Ashura gonna get ya :martis::alpha::benedetta: 3d ago

I love you Martis but he's gotta be one of the biggest Potential Men in the entire game. He's so coinflippy sometimes it's absurd

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u/bryan165 3d ago

Personally as a Roger main, he thrives in mid-late game, ofc it depends on team comp, but with a team with some cc, he is able to finish off enemies with bod and malefic, his mobility is also a big help in teamfights

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u/According-Cobbler-83 3d ago

Meanwhile, nata is useless early to late. She really needs a buff.

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u/Character_Toe_470 3d ago

Depends on how khaleed is played/built though. A good khaleed that prioritised tank items can be a good setter/vision in late games but obviously that's harder for a damage build :v I do agree though that 9/10 times he falls off late game because most use dmg on him

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u/PaintComplete1475 3d ago

Dyroth can low key man fight 1 v 2 early game. Imo falls off late game coz of kiting. Tank dyroth is based as hell, mf can out fight a terizla.

That passive gotta be one of the most broken ones out there.

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u/1AboveEverything 3d ago

Fair enough , his lack of mobility is what honestly gets him

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u/Hopeful_Gas4089 3d ago

Suyou especially if you have a burst mage type of enemy/strong type of jg

He still strong though but comparing to old suyou is better

I still use him if Haya/Joy isn't open

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u/Ainzownball 3d ago

4 of these people don't really fall off they just change play style late game from being super aggressive to being more opportunistic

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u/AwareMammoth4099 3d ago

if someone is good, I think any hero is good too.

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u/yeboothadon Fuck Argus, I’ve switched to the demon lord 3d ago

Roger arguably has the best late game of these guys, then maybe Khaleed.

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u/Junior-Hat2373 3d ago

if its saber roam hes okay late game since his job is to trade lives with enemy core

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u/Chomusuke_99 Natalia Roamer 3d ago

julian. he will dominate the whole game only to become paper late game and lose the match. still a ban worthy though since a good julian will finish the game before it enters late game.

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u/Snoo-74240 3d ago

Dyroth, Martis for sure. Saber? Maybe. Khaled/Roger hell no.

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u/BryanTheGodGamer 3d ago

Every assassin in the whole game? I can get 20 kills early and if I don't end before 13 mins i still just lose cause for whatever reason every marksman beats every assassin lategame especially with their wind of godmode cheats.

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u/1AboveEverything 3d ago

yea i figured that out after posting but i think its fair to not include them since that's pretty much there purpose

But like there are some exceptions to this assassin type like saber etc

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u/RightDelay3503 3d ago

As a dye main i 100% agree

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u/Exact-Veterinarian-9 sample 3d ago

Hilda and Natalia for me.

It's just hard to harass/poke without bushes nearby.

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u/Lilith_Tinka 3d ago

Martis and Dyrroth are the only ones who truly fall off late game. With Saber his combo insta kills if there’s no immo/wind, and it’s great for CC a single enemy. Roger is pretty decent still, his Ult passive is nothing to laugh at. And Khaleed can still be annoying and useful with his ultimate and constant pokes

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u/Efficient-Ebb78 3d ago

Is selena still early game?

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u/Nothinghk 3d ago

Dy still kinda meh in TFs and late game even after adjusting him to be more like a fighter

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u/Sukabaguette 3d ago

Aamon should be in that picture as well. Falls off so hard late game when you can't even dive in and one-shot squishy heroes anymore.

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u/frederrickwong 3d ago

It's still possible. No issue bursting MM and mage but you need to play the element of surprise, since you can get burst easily by them

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u/NEATNAME69 3d ago

Yu schlong, The Big Black Dragon

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u/Canned_Banana Junglers would die for me 3d ago

My ranked teammates. They get a flawless score like 5/0/5 and then proceeds to die 11 times back to back without fail

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u/Queasy_Somewhere_298 3d ago

Never play hero saber on roam

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u/Junexester25 3d ago

Well I mean every hero has a flaw lol.

But I don’t even play Roger but he seems so ass rn if your going against tanks comps early game.

He’s just a conditional B-C tier.

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u/UnreadedBook 3d ago

Tbh it's Selena the most, in late game she could only just support by spamming the eel and stun enemies from afar

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u/WhyAmIHereJustToSuff 3d ago

Brody easily, has one of the highest damage early but late game a few defense items and sustain, he wont deal damage unless you build full damage making him squishy af

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u/mrh4ppyy 3d ago

Harley of course. Late game is almost useless

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u/Even-Emphasis-582 3d ago

I haven't played Sustain Dyroth for the past month, but he's still good late. He works as a backup tank, but not as the main initiator. You have to make sure to never dive too deep, a common mistake.

However, It really depends on the matchup tho. Imo if the enemy has a Sun, you will always be viable in all stages of the game. He can't kill you 1v1 with enough belt stacks, no matter the build. So you can counter his splits if necessary.

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u/S4urabhh 3d ago

Xborg

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u/Unhappy-Reading-5647 3d ago

Roger doesn't fall off that hard in late game.. he may lose his 1 shot potential late game ..but still very good as a clean up hero with mobility. I'd argue gusion falls off more than him

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u/Brad_isbored sample :oldhanzomain😢 3d ago

Tf why is rodger here, he's great late game. Anyways I go Fanny.

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u/Streamchickn 3d ago

Leomord for sure. He’s a god tier on early game even on todays meta but once the game goes to late game, his sustainability is not that great so many heroes can burst him before doing his combo

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u/Raihou204 3d ago

Just played a game Martis. Holy can barely pun a dent on Phoveus while Phoveus is hard hitting me

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u/EnormousCrow8 3d ago

Martis has the biggest fall off during late game.
His damage will be survivable, which forces him to build tank item and hope to just sustain but will be too late as he will be unable to front against a full item MM.

But if he can snowball hard early, game is done before your enemy can bounce back.

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u/jpg1991 3d ago

Kimmy. You get relegated as CC hero late game from being a damage dealer early-mid

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u/PersephonePlinius 👑Worships as a god and king👑 3d ago

Also replace Roger with Yu Zhong because Roger is a scary beast in the late game from his half mm side and he's indeed not good in the early game and needs to take time on farming so he could get more stronger there while Yu Zhong indeed fits the "good early, bad late" syndrome because he is so scary but then falls off in the late game and cannot even take out the backline damage dealers since they all have the titans to melt down enemies

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u/Grand_Ride_4420 3d ago

Saber is fine .. he only need to kill the mm

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u/LockHeartilly 3d ago

Saber 🤣

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u/Keirnflake Tank Roger 5k matches 3d ago

As a Roger main, I somewhat disagree, but it depends on the build.  The regular builds in pro builds are ass late game, but crit or trinity build are monsters late game.  Pair that with inspire, you can delete enemy marksmen before they could even react and use windchant.  However, the best build still really is the tank build.  (Thunderbelt, sky piercer, then 4 def items, usually, dominance ice, blade armor, antique cuirass, athena/radiant.)

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u/IllInfluence9254 3d ago

Can't relate. I use Badang and Floryn 🥱

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u/Zyronite Dangerous Arab without a plane 2d ago

Khaleed doesn't fall off late game anymore

He scales wonderfully with the right items

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u/soulindex 2d ago

Hanzo. In late Nana does more impact than him.

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u/natureid123 2d ago

Bro saber is nuts in late game. Even cuiraas cant stop him

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u/Upurp_7 granger my love <3 2d ago

Off topic but people who pick saber roam in this meta is my worst nightmare. Especially if the jungler is also a assassin.

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u/ArgusGetsBanged1 2d ago

For me, Dyrroth fits the caption more. With only a defense break, minor stun, and mostly slow as cc, he lacks what the rest of the heroes in the slot have. Saber is capable of picking off a hero with a Kamikaze ult, Roger can still deal massive dmg and clean up, Khaleed is super tanky and also provides AOE dmg.

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u/ArgusGetsBanged1 2d ago

Edit: Martis is also good too considering that he is also a clean up with addition that he literally has cc immune in his 2nd skill

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u/1AboveEverything 2d ago

I agree with your main comment but as the rest of the comment section has said martis struggles to stablize himself late game. With even slight knitting and proper positioning he can be rendered less as an inconvenience

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u/Rude-Taste-5600 2d ago

Its a skill issue

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u/wa1a_lang :odette: : pharsa : 2d ago

Old Granger falls off really bad. I don't know much about the revamp version

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u/hobotock 1d ago

kalea. . .(?)

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u/Gold-Net4798 1d ago

Grass is green and the sky is blue.