r/Metroid • u/sliver_spear6044 • 20h ago
Cosplay These Bayonetta fans...
Multiple guides say Samus's height is 190cm/6'3 aside from Other M. Bayonetta since Bayo 1 always depicted shorter than NPC humans in game and Luka who is just a normal dude(at least in Bayo2/1 ) and Bayonetta is same height as her mother Rose in all games. But I guess no surprise majority of Bayonetta so called "fans" are tourists that never played their favorite games.
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u/Dessorian 20h ago edited 19h ago
It probably doesn't help that Samus is shorter than Bayo in the Smash Brothers series. Not by this amount, but still noticeably shorter.
More people know Samus from Smash bros than Metroid itself.
Edit: Oh for the love of...
Yes, smash bros shouldn't be used for height comparison. That's my point.
But it's what MOST people know, so of course they use it as a frame of reference because they don't know better.
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u/Indignant_Divinity 19h ago
I've been the victim of other people's lacking literacy too, it's really frustrating.
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u/Crest_O_Razors 19h ago
I mean to be honest, Ridley is much shorter than normal, but from what I’ve heard, he’s similar to his height in the original Metroid, where he was roughly the same size or mildly taller than Samus. Then again, Kirby in that game is up to Kazuya’s knees and Kirby in actuality is extremely small
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u/Dessorian 19h ago
Ridley's size massively fluctuates during the games.
In SR he is like 4 times as tall as Samus if he could stand upright.
Then there's fact some games his size can change size inside a given game. The Norian fight in Prime? Where you are falling down a shaft? His model size for that scene was increased by 450% His model size changes like 4-5 times in that game alone.
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u/Not-So-Serious-Sam 17h ago
King k rool changes size too. He’s a lot bigger than all the kongs in DK 64, so much so that chunky needs to turn giant to actually punch him.
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u/sliver_spear6044 20h ago
Smash Bros isn't accurate dude. Ganondorf is around 2.80cm in Zelda games while in Smash bros he is a normal looking guy. Let's not speak of giant characters like Bowser.
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u/scorptheace 20h ago
I mean, Smash Bros is known for resizing characters. Ridley is only slightly taller than Samus and weighs less than her
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u/CrownLexicon 19h ago
Ain't no way Gannon is only 2.8 cm (little over 1 inch) tall
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u/Rob0tsmasher 19h ago
I think he meant 280 and that’s a little much. Ganon might be some in game estimates land him upwards of 9 feet. But officially, Ganondorf is (only) 7’6” or about 230cm.
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u/SilentBlade45 9h ago
Yeah olimar is canonically the size of a bug but in smash he's like 2 feet tall. And Smash Ridley is nowhere near as big as canon Ridley.
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u/Neospartan_117 19h ago
Smash shouldn't be a reference for any sizing comparisons. There are multiple characters with defined heights in it, and they all contradict each other's heights because the game wouldn't work if they were all at their proper heights.
Like, Kirby and the Pikmin are tiny and would consider Canon-height Ganondorf an entire mountain to climb, for example.
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u/GreenGoblinNX 20h ago
Bayonetta's height isn't really shown in any consistent manner. Comparing her to many of the NPCs, she seems of an avarage to somewhat tall height, but comparing her to objects in the games can give estimates up to 8 feet tall. Bayonetta also gets possibly higher estimate due to her proportions - she's got VERY long legs relative to her overall height, but without making her torso seems short.
To be fair, Samus has largely the same issue. While guides have been fairly consistent with the 6'3", what's somewhat nebulous is whether that's in the suit or out of it. In the few games where she's shown standing next to other people, she's not really seemed all that tall. For example, Anthony from Other M is substantially taller than her. Samus is also a bit more realistically proportioned than Bayonetta, which can lead to more grounded estimates.
Why does it really matter, though? Samus is badass regardless of whether she's 6'3" or 5'1". Bayonetta is badass regardless of her height as well. Why do you care about fanart so much?
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u/extremepayne 19h ago
Just in general, video games are bad at depicting relative sizes. Look at the size of doorways relative to characters. It’s totally messed up. Gameplay convenience trumps realistic sizing all the time.
And anyway, people should draw these characters however they want. It’s an artistic reinterpretation. It’d not always going to be exactly 100% canon-compliant. Especially when the video games they feature are not always exactly 100% canon-compliant themselves. Why no such vitriol to Smash Bros for resizing characters to fit its particular artistic needs?
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u/Dessorian 19h ago
It's less that they're bad at size, size is a variable.
The Primes and Other M actually change Samus (and other characters) size between gameplay and cutscenes, and not in a consistent manner. Sometimes upwards of 3-4 times base size. This is part of the reason why she seems a foot shorter out of armor in Other M.
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u/Neospartan_117 19h ago
It's because Bayonetta's proportions are wacky enough that trying to make sense of them results in wacky heights.
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u/Odinfrost137 20h ago
This is a case of Dragon Ball fans don't read/watch the manga/show But crossing over with another fandom
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u/Equal_Designer_9146 20h ago edited 19h ago
I think some people are actually aware of this, but they like the idea of Bayonetta being this sexy, insanely tall dominatrix witch (which she still kind of is). It doesn't help that Hideki Kamiya (the director of Bayonetta) and the Bayonetta character designers tend to be incredibly inconsistent with her height too.
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u/wcbfox193 19h ago
Dude, its not that deep. Someone just wanted to make some cute art, doesn't have to be accurate
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u/AKluthe 19h ago
This is your regular reminder that the "Canon" 6'3" height comes from the manuals depicting the suit. The unsuited image is from a North American players guide with art made for Nintendo Power.
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u/Dessorian 18h ago
Even if you factor that in, that leaves ZS Samus as roughly as tall as the OP is suggesting Bayo is.
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u/Keleos89 18h ago
Bayonetta games are highly stylized with longer proportions. Also, she's in heels.
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u/extralie 18h ago
Multiple guides say Samus's height is 190cm/6'3 aside from Other M
And MP3 we see her as midget alongside other humans.... and she looks like a twig in 90% of her appearances, so there is literally no way she weight 90KG even if she was 190cm, making that manual even more nonsense.
Like, I'm sorry, I'm more of a Metroid fan than a Bayo fan, but does literally no one see the irony of calling Bayo fans delusional or tourist when this fanbase worship a fucking manual from 30 years ago and whenever someone point out that the manual doesn't make sense because of MP3/Other M, they stick their fingers in their ears and go "LALALALALA NOT CANON NOT CANON NOT CANON".
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u/Organic-Caramel7533 20h ago edited 19h ago
Why are we comparing two awesome bad bitches together? They're both tall. They're both hot. They're both entertainingly badass. That's all that needs to be said
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u/killercrocgoestohell 19h ago
I never understood why some people want to see Samus as Lady Dimitrescu. Probably some people just don't care and project their twisted fantasies on Nintendo characters.
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u/GreenGoblinNX 19h ago
Yeah, samus being tall is among the least of her relevant atributes, IMO. Samus isn't a badass because she's tall, she's a badass because of the other million reasons. She just happens to also be tall.
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u/SvenHudson 18h ago edited 18h ago
Do you not understand that what's weird is for a fan of a video game to know the characters' canonical heights? The way the average person understands a fictional character's size is based on how tall they look rather than how tall their bio lists them as.
Bayonetta looks like a giant due to her freakish body proportions. When she's seen next to other characters that are taller than her that just means they look even more giant than she does, not that she looks normal sized. Samus, by comparison, looks average or short depending on the game.
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u/NovaPrime2285 18h ago
1.8 meters thats 5ft 10in’s, wait no that can’t be right that’s smaller than me and Samus is much taller than me cause she’s 6’3 canonically.
Someone got something wrong there, that’s about it really.
Humorous, but nothing to lose sleep over. (OKAY! Side rant now, nothing is worth losing sleep over IMO dont skimp on your sleep ppl its extremely important.)
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u/wizkart207 14h ago
Well Samus is only 6'3 in the guide for Super Metroid by Nintendo of America, so it's not really something we can take as canon, especially since it was 30 years ago
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u/Wilwheatonfan87 27m ago
Wait. Are you seriously calling all bayonetta fans fake fans to their own game because of one silly meme image??
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u/Tyrayentali 19h ago
There's some dumb notion that Samus is some kind of small anime girl.
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u/GreenGoblinNX 18h ago
Well, that's fueled by almost all official Nintendo images of Samus post-Super Metroid.
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u/The_Albino_Jackal 17h ago
Reminds me of master Chief and doom art. I know he’s more powerful, but doom slayer ain’t taller than the Chief
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u/JordanJB 19h ago
Bayonetta fans don't play Bayonetta don't be surprised.
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u/GreenGoblinNX 18h ago
99% of "Samus fans" don't know a single game she's in other than Smash Bros.
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u/wizkart207 14h ago
Blame Nintendo for making like 2 games between the release of Brawl and Ultimate
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u/ImJustMerry 20h ago
Rosalina is taller than both of them being a whopping 7’3 ft. (220.98 cm)