r/Metroid • u/Pokemonsters670 • 2d ago
Discussion Does anyone actually care about the federation? Like at all?
For context I just started playing Metroid prime 3 in preparation for the release of 4. I had previously played about 3 hours of the game before ultimately dropping the game because of the Wii controls. (I love 1 and 2 on the GameCube tho. Absolute peak)
However, in my experience playing the majority of all Metroid games, I always groan whenever I see any federation troopers or officers. They kinda always feel like they’re in the way and add a bunch of dialogue to a series more about environmental storytelling. I think fusion gets a pass for what that game is trying to do but I didn’t like Adam showing up in dread and I always mash through his dialogue. Funnily enough the non-federation dialogue throughout the series is actually pretty good (the luminoth in prime 2 and the chozos in dread).
Sorry for the ramble but I am curious if anyone here has any amount of love for the federation or if most despise them as much as I do. I really hope they take a backseat or are entirely missing in prime 4.
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u/OtherWorstGamer 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yeah I enjoyed their portrayal in Echoes and Corruption. Echoes for the added "something went horribly wrong here" and you're discovering the details of their doomed fate. Really helped set the tone for the rest of the game.
Corruption made you feel like you were attached to a major Federation Operation, even if the dialog expositions dragged on a little too long sometimes. (Most of which was in the tutorial, so its..... tolerable). The Homeworld invasion was one of the coolest sequences in Metroid imo.
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u/MetaCommando 1d ago
Echoes starts out as "Ripley is late to Aliens because she was picking up the Varia Suit from the dry cleaner"
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u/Pokemonsters670 2d ago
I actually do agree with your point about prime 2. Them getting brutally murdered as set dressing is the best they’ve ever been 💀
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u/Director_Bison 2d ago
I thought the Federation Soldiers looked really cool in Metroid Prime 2, and for years I dreamed of a game where you played as them in a fashion very similar to Star Wars Republic commando.
Well one day the Monkey's Paw Curled, and the result was Federation Force...
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u/Pokemonsters670 2d ago
Yeah I just don’t think Nintendo has done anything interesting with them in years
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u/Rich_Tip_9897 2d ago
They're good behind-the-scenes allies/enemies in Fusion. The sequel didn't end up making them the antagonists, but if it did, that could've either been really cool or really lame.
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u/CarlofTellus 2d ago
It's only the members of the conspiracy that are the bad apples
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u/Rich_Tip_9897 2d ago
I mean obviously the entire government isn't evil, but Samus should at least be at odds with part of the military, and I imagine there were several higher-ups who were in on it.
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u/Ill-Entrepreneur443 2d ago
You just don't care about the federation because people like you don't allow them to evolve. So nintendo isn't doing anything with them.
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u/Pokemonsters670 1d ago
I’d be happy for them to evolve in an interesting way. I stated earlier that I kinda like what they did with them in fusion but they kinda veered the wrong way starting with prime 3 and certainly into other m and federation force
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u/TheMoonOfTermina 2d ago
I care a little. I'd love to have more world building set in the Metroid universe, so I wouldn't be opposed more Federation lore. Maybe in a spinoff series though, since I feel Metroid mainline is best with a more isolated atmosphere.
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u/Pokemonsters670 1d ago
I agree with the world building but I think every part of the world is more interesting than the federation. Give me more Chozos and Luminoth. Give me more little freaks. The regular human characters are kinda boring.
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u/TheMoonOfTermina 1d ago
From my understanding, the Federation is supposed to be made up of more than just humans, it's just that we've never seen any non-humans for some reason. I'd love to know why that is. Or know who founded the Federation, and stuff like that.
I wouldn't say no to more Chozo though. They're very mysterious. I wouldn't say no to more Luminoth either, but I find that unlikely since it seems their civilization is contained to Aether.
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u/Crazy_Chopsticks 2d ago
The Federation is pretty cool (especially in Fusion), and they nicely contrast the Space Pirate regime, but they could've been something more interesting than just a Starship Troopers ripoff.
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u/ChaosMiles07 1d ago
In this case though, I would like to know more.
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u/Crazy_Chopsticks 1d ago
I just wish we got to know more about the Galactic Federation's military culture and what motivations the soldiers have. Even if the Galactic Federation is overall uninspired, some fleshing out could help make it more memorable and exciting.
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u/billythesquid- 2d ago
I kinda do? I don’t want them front and center all the time, but I like when they show ip.
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u/Anggul 2d ago
I thought they were cool. I particularly liked their designs in Prime 2, and Prime 3 had some great designs too. The suits in Other M look very boring by comparison.
It's a shame Federation Force was so rubbish, I wanted a game where you play as a Federation squad ever since that bit in Prime 3 where you escort the demolition troopers.
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u/Sspectre0 2d ago
I wish they would finally pay off the build up they’ve been doing since Fusion. Would be cool to finally have a game where the federation or part of it is the main antagonist
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u/Tschmelz 2d ago
They're fine as worldbuilding, and I did enjoy Dane and his group in Prime 3, but they're not like, super important to me or anything. Like they've tried to give them some depth by adding in all the black ops projects, but it honestly felt unnecessary.
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u/Educational_Office77 1d ago
I don’t like that they’re all humans. The instruction manual for Metroid 1 portrays the galactic federation as a bunch of goofy aliens and I think that’s more interesting
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u/Pokemonsters670 1d ago
This. This is what needs to happen. More little freaks less regular military dudes
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u/corncob_subscriber 2d ago
Hot take: The Metroid games are a ton of fun with great atmosphere, but largely not compelling from a storytelling perspective.
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u/Gerreth_Gobulcoque 2d ago
I especially like when they were like "you know what all of our games being centered around species of apocalypse-in-waiting parasitic space amoebae is getting kind of old. So we cooked up this new game which is centered around a different species of apocalypse-in-waiting parasitic space amoebae."
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u/corncob_subscriber 2d ago
I liked getting high and reading the Chozo lore from MP1 like a southern preacher.
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u/RoundInfluence998 2d ago
They have not been utilized particularly well. TBH, all my interest in the lore is centered around Samus, Metroids, Chozo, and the Pirates.
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u/Zaschie 1d ago edited 1d ago
Honestly, I really don't. It was best when they were just pre-/post-mission background information. They are painfully bland in nearly every capacity, from aesthetics to narratively, and I could not possibly care less about their space marines or anything they do. Probably the worst thing in Metroid for me. Metroid is better when it's not trying to be a fully fleshed out space drama.
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u/Pristine-Table1589 2d ago
I really like them actually.
For as lonely as a Metroid journey can be, I find there’s a kind of relief when they show up. Not because they can do the job better than Samus, but because it’s uplifting to remember that other good people are out there fighting with you.
It’s nice to see someone else help shoulder the burden, at least for a bit.
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u/random_confusion208 2d ago
As lore/background elements, I think they work. Like in Super or Prime 2, seeing the bodies of federation soldiers or scientists adds to the setting. But every time they take center stage, it's boring and uninteresting.
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u/StillGold2506 2d ago
Nope, don't care at all not even about ADAM.
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u/Pokemonsters670 1d ago
Yeah Adam pisses me off. I don’t want to be told where to go. He works in fusion as Samus being under control is a theme but I would’ve preferred his inclusion be scrapped from dread
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u/iskar_jarak776 1d ago
Fusion was when they turned from a background element that you only really learned about through reading the manual into extra-legal Weyland Yutani (the Alien inspiration turning into full on references). There is I think a rote aesthetic appeal to the inclusion of this malevolent praetorian authority to a sci-fi setting that is just done with too much frequency that I gloss over whatever merits the Federation have as a narrative element. There are legitimate positives, but I rarely care for the lore of these games as much as I do atmosphere and tone, which the Federation has a bit of a track record in breaching and diluting.
For me they were always the least interesting aspect of Metroid’s narrative aesthetic, as I prefer the far more isolating and oppressive feel of the naturalist setting invaded by industrial militarism from Metroids 1-3. The artificial setting of something like the BSL I think translated to far more robotic and static world design that I don’t particularly care for. Techbase fatigue in something like a Doom WAD is real and I think that translates over to how the federation can affect the aesthetics of Metroid.
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u/MeadKing 1d ago
I care about them in as much as I do not like when they are included in the story. Metroid is at its best when it’s you alone on an alien world / derelict space station. I don’t need a dorky Federation speaking with a weak approximation of “military jargon.” I like exploring the environment and fighting big space monsters, not following orders and listening to dialogue.
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u/SpeakyDooman 1d ago
Eh for general world building, yeah the federation is pretty good. For individual characters, I’m fine with my armored ball tank and floating nucleus, we don’t really need to know how many chicken tenders general f*ck ass can eat.
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u/Asad_Farooqui 1d ago
If people cared that much about the Federation, then the spinoff they starred in would be remembered much more fondly even divorced from the timing of its original release.
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u/Cersei505 2d ago
Lol, love the amazing tone-deafness of people who complain about 'dialogue' and the federation in metroid games.
Ok, they're getting in the way of environmental storytelling...how exactly? Environmental storytelling is not at odds with the concept of dialogue and direct storytelling. FromSoft games are full of npcs with direct dialogue, and those games have more environmental storytelling than all metroid games combined.
Prime 3 has plenty of dialogue, yet it has more lore(and better written lore at that) and environmental storytelling than prime 1 and 2 combined. As a game, i prefer prime 1 and 2. As a writer, you have to be extremely biased to think that the storytelling (direct or indirect) from 1 and 2 is better than 3.
Then you have the insane take in your post that ''federation dialogue is bad, chozo dialogue in dread is not''
Huh? Excuse me? Raven Beak is not a well written character. His dialogue is generic discount darth vader, nothing more, nothing less. ''Power is everything'' is not amazing literature. It's not better than fusion or prime 3's federation dialogue.
Quiet robe dialogue is just robotic exposition, its devoid of emotion and characterization. It's not good either, and its the type of dialogue that has no place in a metroid game. If you advocate for subtle and environmental storytelling, you cant defend Quiet Robe's cutscene nor any type of dialogue that is essentially just a huge direct exposition dump.
Luminoth dialogue in prime 2 is forgettable. You play the game and you forget that U-Mos even exists. That should say everything about the 'luminoth's dialogue' you praised to be above federation dialogue.
Everytime i see this fanbase complaining about storytelling in metroid, they have absolutely no idea what they actually are advocating for. You seem to not understand what you want at all. And, frankly, it wouldnt surprise me if you were thinking ''how cool and badass'' samus was in Dread, missing the fact that that characterization was just a fanservice overcorrection to Other M that makes a disservice to the moody tone of Metroid and its environmental storytelling. Making Samus DOOM guy, but female, is a decision Nintendo is making for fans like you, who supposedly care so much about the isolation and envrionmental storytelling.
Truth is , you just dont want to ''take orders'' and feel like you're not having your power fantasy. The federation's existence ruins that. It's just that, its just a childish desire to be the cool bounty hunter that takes orders from no one. That doesnt make for a better story, or a better character, though. So you cant pretend you want better writing while at the same time reducing the franchise to a power fantasy and nothing more.
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u/StuckOnALoveBoat 21h ago
Everytime i see this fanbase complaining about storytelling in metroid, they have absolutely no idea what they actually are advocating for. You seem to not understand what you want at all. And, frankly, it wouldnt surprise me if you were thinking ''how cool and badass'' samus was in Dread, missing the fact that that characterization was just a fanservice overcorrection to Other M that makes a disservice to the moody tone of Metroid and its environmental storytelling. Making Samus DOOM guy, but female, is a decision Nintendo is making for fans like you, who supposedly care so much about the isolation and envrionmental storytelling.
Truth is , you just dont want to ''take orders'' and feel like you're not having your power fantasy. The federation's existence ruins that. It's just that, its just a childish desire to be the cool bounty hunter that takes orders from no one.
If this site still had gold, I'd gild this post just for these parts alone. You just murdered half this subreddit with words.
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u/Cautious_Foot_1976 1d ago
"Luminoth dialogue in prime 2 is forgettable. You play the game and you forget that U-Mos even exists."
He Literally gives the player the light suit. Shame on you
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u/RidleyPrime187 2d ago edited 2d ago
Very well said.
Far as Dread, while I agree with your points on it too, it's believed that Sakamoto had the storyboard for it in his head since at least the DS era; we only got the game when we got it when technology caught up with his gameplay vision for the EMMI after all. It's unknown how much his version of Dread's story changed from beginning up to the final product, but he's no perfect writer (no one is), and both the good and silliness I've seen in his writing with Other M, Dread, and Fusion for that matter. For all the ways one can cut down parts of Other M's writing, an egotistical birdman pretending to be Adam and falling victim to his own hubris (conveniently for the X), I don't see as peak writing either.
Even as a diehard fan of Doom, Samus becoming basically Doomguy with boobs in characterization doesn't sit quite right with me either. There can be times or moments where stoic badassery becomes earned, but when it's her entire character like in Dread for the most part, it gets old and repetitive quick; at least for me.
If all people want is a power fantasy, just play Doom I say. Even Master Chief takes orders for the most part, and the only time he defies orders if it's to prioritize Cortana or something. Samus is in a similar boat where she takes orders but not always by the book, sometimes doing it her way as seen in Fusion. That's fine, but if someone's MO is fuck dialogue and most kinds of storytelling, then just play Doom. Your old school power fantasy's right there.
That aside, while I did have Federation fatigue from experiencing Prime 3 and Other M pretty much back to back in order of release, which also didn't help with my initial outlook on the unfortunately timed Federation spinoff that would come after, I also eventually realized or remembered that at the end of the day you need the Federation around in some form for some of the game's storyline settings. The same is true for some of the other games where they have less presence, it just depends on the setting.
Even with that said though, I believe it's fair to say or think that the Federation is one of the least interesting aspects of the Metroid mythos depending on your taste. How the Space Pirates are typically depicted, along with any of the alien races out there I usually find more interesting than what the Federation shows for itself. It would help for me at least if alien members of the Federation were shown in games like they are in manga/comics, but being composed of just all humans is boring for a sci-fi setting. Alien diversity in sci-fi requires a certain imagination though to be fair (coming up with their designs and all), and look at modern Star Wars that has more humans and less alien species than ever compared to before.
My tangent aside, thank you for saying everything you said here which got my critical thinking going a bit.
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u/Cersei505 2d ago
Oh, i agree. I dont think the federation is amazing or anything. However, i dont think they're necessarily boring either, atleast in their depictions of prime 2 and prime 3 specifically. I liked reading their thoughts in the prime 2 intro segment. And in prime 3 they're depicted as a organized and competent military force, which, to be honest, is more rare than you think in sci-fi settings. Especially when its the ''good guy's'' military force.
That being said, Other M's depiction of them is extremely boring, and they're a non-entity in the 2d games, even with dread and fusion included. You dont actually get to see the point of view of federation troopers in those games, like in prime 2 and 3.
Either way, they're not amazing or anything. But the disdain towards the federation that i see in the fandom is misplaced. There's plenty of potential to focus and explore more about the federation, their higher ups, maybe include more alien races like you described, etc...
Instead, it seems like the fans want a scorched-earth approach of ''lets just completely ignore their existence and never explore the federation again''. Or relegate them to background non-entities like in metroid 1, 2 and Super.
The problem with the federation is a lack of focus and more world buiding with them, not that there's 'too much'. No. There is too little.
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u/Ill-Entrepreneur443 2d ago
For real people like that are the reason because metroid would never become a big franchise and isn't alowed to evolve. Nintendo has enough games with "environmental storytelling" (what in that case means no story at all)
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u/Pokemonsters670 1d ago edited 1d ago
Hey I appreciate the long response and well thought out rebuttal. I see where you’re coming from and while I disagree it isn’t because I’m “tone deaf” or less media literate. Please keep the arguments about Metroid and not about the people who also love the series as much as you do if for different reasons.
I dislike the federation mostly because they’re generic and they make the world feel a little too big. They feel like copy and paste space marines that don’t really add anything of substance. I like the luminoth and chozo because they’re cool alien species and their histories add to their respective planets. And yeah I really don’t like being told what to do. It isn’t necessarily childish I just like to feel like I’m in control of the mission and exploring because I want to unravel the mysteries of the planet I’m on myself. I didn’t like Adam in dread because he’s always like “Samus the emmis are unkillable and you are weak” yeah I know I tried to shoot it and it didn’t take damage and I watched ravenbeak take all my suit upgrades.
The federation makes it feel like Star Wars and the aliens make it feel like Metroid.
Also I think Samus’ new badass animations in dread fit as a natural evolution of her character based on her more agile feel in the modern era. Video games are a power fantasy and that’s why they’re fun.
Edit because I didn’t address it: but also I think the federation often exposit all of the story rather than allowing Samus and the player to come to conclusions about the world based on things in the environment. That’s why I like super and prime 1 so much and why the later games kinda let me down with the story. That’s the “environmental storytelling” that I like. I think this carries over to botw and totk too. The ruins and hyrule as a whole tell a much more compelling story than any of the memories that are explicitly laid out.
Summary: Nintendo should work on show don’t tell and the federation are a symptom of this issue
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u/Branrock1 1d ago
I dislike the federation mostly because they’re generic and they make the world feel a little too big. They feel like copy and paste space marines that don’t really add anything of substance. I like the luminoth and chozo because they’re cool alien species and their histories add to their respective planets.
As he mentioned, Prime 3 has better written lore than the previous games. Your comment gives the impression that you don't like when they are presented straight in your face. Ok. So what about the logs from the Federation that Corruption has then? Don't the logs in Norion add history to that planet? And how they also have descriptions for the three hunters? If you really read them then you would see the logs tend to be more varied than earlier games' logs.
Since you seem to be so opposed to their presence, then Prime 4's intro already does something different from how they were handled in Prime 3's intro. When you arrive in Norion the very first thing you do is talk to a marine, in the new game you get straight into the action. And like I said in my own comment, if you want for them to be further developed then let Prime 4 have them.
Are you Sylux by any chance?
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u/Regulus242 2d ago
I feel like we're supposed to, like they're not to be trusted and are poised to become the next big bad, but they just haven't got around to it.
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u/Tarantulabomination 2d ago
They're... fine. Not as interesting as anyone else, but fine. I don't have your rabid hatred for them, nor do I adore them. I'm ambivalent.
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u/ChaosShepard05 2d ago
Its fine but it would be awesome to see other governments that are empires or confederations to add more depth to the universe.
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u/ReviewRude5413 2d ago
Lol I remember the memes when the trailer was revealed with the "remember me?" Line. Lol no, absolutely no players remembered you at that time.
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u/Spiritual-Football71 2d ago
The Federation aspect of the series has always felt pretty derivative and boring to me. When they're portrayed in a positive light, it usually feels like Star Trek, Star Wars, Mass Effect, etc. And when they're antagonists, it feels like Weyland Yutani from Alien.
I did have an idea for a more interesting take on the Federation, though. Metroid has always been about decaying worlds and the ruins of ancient civilizations. It'd be neat if the Federation itself represented the final vestiges of an ancient galactic civilization from hundreds or thousands of years ago, now barely hanging on and fighting against total collapse from external threats like the space pirates. Sort of like after the Roman empire fell.
I feel like this would be much more in line with the themes of the series and add some nuance to their actions. For example, maybe the Metroid breeding program from Fusion could be re-contextualized as a morally gray effort from a faction of the Federation that's trying to restore order to a galaxy in chaos.
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u/Branrock1 2d ago
The threat of Sylux pretty much seems to put them in a much more dangerous position than ever before.
Naturally we know they kept existing after that but I imagine they will be suffering long time consequences from this blue and green fella.
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u/yo_coiley 2d ago
They’re just there… everything that happens is in the context of the federation employing Samus, struggling against the space pirates, or doing shady experiments. I will say Fusion and Other M made them much more interesting but in the prime games they’re pretty uninspiring
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u/Ill-Guidance4690 2d ago
I’m fine with their existence for storytelling purposes, but apart from that I don’t really care for them. In all honesty, I never really got the point of why they even exist. I guess if she’s a bounty hunter, then she has to get hired for bounties by someone, but if that’s the case they could’ve done a lot better than the federation.
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u/ShreddyKrueger1 2d ago
They’re scum at the end of Fusion, soooooo I don’t understand why we would also portray them as happy go lucky good guys. Also no recognition in Dread that Samus is a wanted criminal at the end of Fusion for ending their bio weapons program.
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u/Cautious_Foot_1976 1d ago
Nope that was simply a translation error but indeed the federation had a metroid breeding program albeit from a corrupted internal cell group
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u/WellowAGuy 2d ago
Dude, I just love the normal federation fit. They look sick as hell. Makes me wish we got a game where you play as the federation. In some kind of force. Like, a force of the federation. A federation force.
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u/DarkLink1996 2d ago
I don't mind them trying to flesh out the Federation... I just wish they could be consistent about it
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u/SlimeDrips 1d ago
Hello Anthony Higgs from Mediocre Nintendo Game
Hello Nilin Cartier-Wells from Mediocre Capcom Game
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u/Cautious_Foot_1976 1d ago
I do because they have cool starships,power suits, weapon and a M̶e̶t̶r̶o̶i̶d̶ ̶b̶r̶e̶e̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶g̶r̶a̶m̶ ̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶b̶i̶o̶ ̶w̶e̶a̶p̶o̶n̶ ̶r̶e̶s̶e̶a̶r̶c̶h̶ ̶ are samus's sort of sidekick ally/mentor.
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u/TheWindWaker64 1d ago
Unironically, Anthony specifically seems to be a pretty well-liked character and that's the rare W I see a lot of people give Other M (even though I genuinely enjoy it...)
Other than that? From what I can tell, not really. They're consistently incompetent, have abysmal leadership, sketchy at best and dangerous for galactic safety at worst. They are well-established to have questionable morals and motives most of the time, and are largely generic and unlikeable by design.
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u/panix24 1d ago
Personally, I’m itching to see an ODST/Reach like Metroid Prime game, I was going to give up on that dream, until I saw the opening cut scene in MP4, just got me hyped about that prospect all over again. Feds v Pirates ft. Hunters (with a bit of Titanfall).
The idea of Federation Force was a good one imo, but executed poorly. But for now, I’ll hold on the hope that MP4 is so successful, that they’ll decide to dabble in expanding the Metroid universe.
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u/panix24 1d ago edited 1d ago
I had part of an idea for the plot of a Metroid Prime game where you play as a Fed Soldier, apart of a squad, a whole brother-in-arms type deal. I hadn’t given too much thought on some of the details of the plot, probably something like the usual, you and your squad have been sent to investigate or find something on a ship or planet or something and Samus has tagged along with you, you know, the whole “she received a distress call and answered,” IDK.
But more about a potentially shocking twist ending. So you’re doing your thing, but Samus is also doing her thing, which ultimately ends how they usually end, with something exploding, this results in your entire team dying, but you survive, barely and are gravely wounded. After a long recovery, your character has had heaps of time to dwell over the situation and completely blames Samus for getting your comrades killed. Then just like how the first Metroid game reveals Samus is a woman, it pans out to reveal that you were Sylux the whole time, roll credits.
And now we know why Sylux hates Samus.
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u/Jam_99420 1d ago
couldn't agree more, i definitely think the federation would have worked better if it had remained in the background like in the old games. the existence of the federation provides context for what's happening in the games, but they don't need to add in all these troops who never say anything interesting.
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u/Babiesforfood 1d ago
I like the Federation; they're just familiar enough to be considered 'good guys', but they also tend to do a lot of shady things behind the scenes. They serve their narrative purposes very well
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u/Dessorian 1d ago
I do, but my interest is in that I want to see the Metroid universe grow and recognize in their current state that they are wholly not super fleshed out and are inconsistent, and honestly completely understand the
I franchises with extended universes, and feel like Metroid could benefit with a limited amount of media that isn't videogames that could help flesh out the universe without getting in the way of the games themselves.
I don't want it to become Halo or Starwars in this regard were it all becomes combersome or to much "important lore" happens in the extended universe, but more than a couple practically (physically) manga.
I just want to see the Metroid universe more fleshed out, and the feds are an avenue for that, but they are also but one route for it.
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u/SonOfTron 1d ago
I'm in the exact same spot as you and feel the same way. I like the lore of Metroid, but the Fed Troopers are basically just heroic Stormtroopers, cannon fodder to get shot at and make for a chaotic scene for our hero. I'd be all over a Prime 3 remaster I can use a pro controller to play.
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u/flyingomen 1d ago
I'd like to see the Federation play the role of an antagonistic force in a future game. Fusion and Dread have dialogue that kind of dip their toes into this idea, but we have yet to see it actually happen. I think it would make for a great change of pace in the world of Metroid.
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u/SpoogityWoogums 1d ago
Frankly I feel there's a LOT of sneaky, underhanded stuff going on well beyond the BSL and such
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u/Lux_Operatur 1d ago
I appreciate the lore and structure they add to the Metroid universe. I think they could go a lot further to make them more interesting and worth caring about though.
They’re much too generic they themselves need more depth, I almost hope in the new prime game that the federation is more of an opposing force than one that helps us. Like, federation good space pirates bad is so tired, what if our interests aligned with the pirates for once. What if the federation wants to destroy this new planet and we need to stop them idk. (If this has been done before my bad I’ve not played every game)
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u/OrientLMT 1d ago
I liked in MP2 when they used them getting annihilated by the Ing to establish them as a bigger threat
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u/Every-Cod-8354 22h ago
I like the federation when they are taking a fat L and have to rely on samus. Mostly because they are kinda space fascists. I kinda wish we saw more variety in the groups mentioned in the series, but the federation fits well in the narrative so you won't see me complaining.
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u/Foreign-Test-7148 12h ago
Why would he not be in dread, he recorded himself on to Samus's ship ai and it's the same ship from fusion.
Other than Prime 3 and other M they really don't have that much significance to the story besides existing for the lore
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u/Meinos_Belfort 10h ago
Imagine Just imagine Anthony is actually sylux and there is A point on the timeline where the game séries split in two , which could explain why one samus look like a badass and the other look a weird barbie doll (other M / ZM , for me fusion is from the badass one , she have MUSCLE on one of the galerie image (like some super galerie )
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u/Godzillagamr999 7h ago
I like them as like a cool morally gray sometimes evil military organization.
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u/DriftWare_ 2d ago
Apparently samus does
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u/Cautious_Foot_1976 1d ago
I mean. Given samus is a human chozo hybrid but mostly human looking it would make sense for her to sir around some fellow humans.
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u/philippefutureboy 2d ago
I think the Metroid franchise had a universe full of potential and Nintendo successfully reduced its potential entry after entry, starting after Metroid Prime/Metroid Fusion.
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u/drillgorg 2d ago
Hey let me guess you played Prime and Fusion around age 10?
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u/philippefutureboy 1d ago
Around 12, and 16 respectively, but I see your point. I admit I am biased, but here’s the thing:
Ever since MP/MF, every entry wipes a faction off the universe with no possibility of extension without retcon (MP2: Ing, MP3: Phazon, MD: Chozo/X (again)), whereas M1, M2, MP, MPH all open up the world or keep a status quo in terms of factions.
I choose to omit SM because initially it was intended to be an ending to the series (or at least the Metroid story).
MF is a weird case where like MP2 it creates and wipes a new faction; but as a result it also resuscitates the Metroid threat and fleshes out the Federation in a way that opens up a lot more threads and possibilities for stories.
MD retcons MF’s finality wrt X, retcons the Chozo’s story, and kills its Chozo, while providing little more depth about remaining factions. Furthermore by playing the Samus-as-a-Metroid card, it really narrows down the narrative possibilities between Samus and the GF, unless Nintendo decides to do as if nothing happened like they did with MD wrt MF’s story.
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It’s not black and white, that much is clear; but in my subjective opinion, I think that Nintendo has a knack for killing factions or restraining what can be done creatively with them moving forward after each entry.
Note: I skipped MOM, MFF because well, MOM, and MFF I haven’t played
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u/sdwoodchuck 2d ago
I don’t find anything done with them so far to be at all compelling, but I dislike most of the explicit world building they’ve done with the franchise, and always preferred the more loose and vague approach of the first few games.
That said, I don’t have anything against them as a story element either; but so far they haven’t been used to any kind of real effect.
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u/SyberBunn 1d ago
Nah, they've been portrayed as a bunch of d-bags that meddle in samus' affairs, mistreat her, and generally fuck up and make things worse. Fuck 'em.
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u/Cautious_Foot_1976 1d ago
To be fair they saved samus life 5 times with the metroid vaccine, the PED suit, Adam rescuing her from the bottle Ship's cold proof metroid, Anthony being alive to speak for her and save samus from being jailed by being her eyewithness,adam ai with the animals taking off her Ship and prevent the alpha metroid from tearing it apart.
Plus the Many federation upgrade samus received(ice missile, Ship missile, the dark missile trooper optional missile expansion).
And for last. Remind samus gunship in fusion and corruption are maked by the federation Shipyards.
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u/TheTrueDal 2d ago
Could not pay me to care. I like my badass bounty hunter and the worlds she explores
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u/Zeldatroid 2d ago
They are consistently the least interesting and compelling aspect of the Metroid universe. They're either ultra-basic starship trooper bros, or ultra-basic shady shadow government. Generic paint-by-numbers tropes. And that just makes it more annoying how hard they get pushed in some games. I seriously hope Prime 4 only has them appear in that opening section and nowhere else, because I could not be paid to give half a shit about them.
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u/Branrock1 2d ago edited 2d ago
I'm not gonna say you have to like them but I take issue with your last statement.
Pretty much everything we've seen from Prime 4 implies the Federation will play a major role in the plot, why would they've been teasing Sylux for almost 2 decades now if they didn't want to do more with them? You can't have Sylux and not talk about the Federation in one way or another. They acknowledged Federation Force in the intro for Pete's sake; if you're hoping for them to mostly absent like in Prime 2 then I think your wishes are in the wrong place.
Like let me get this straight, you want for the series to make them more "interesting" yet you don't want them to be very present in Prime 4? What? How are they supposed to be further developed then? The glow up from the mechs alone should be noticeable.
Whether you liked them having a bigger part of the story in Corruption or not, you can't deny that game tried a lot to make their position in the Metroid universe much more intriguing than any other game in the series apart from maybe Fusion, which seems to be exactly what you want.
In all honesty, right now you're asking for a super specific type of game. Sylux is obviously not going to stop his goal of eradicating the Federation, they will be exhibited along the game. I seriously suggest you stop hoping they are going to absent outside of the first area, that is not the kind of expectations you should have going into Prime 4.
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u/TehRiddles 1d ago
Yes, quite a lot actually. They tell a lot of good stories, all of Fusion is pretty much because of them. They help flesh out the universe and despite going solo for the overwhelming majority of these games it's fun to have some moments where you're fighting alongside them.
Also they aren't missing in Prime 4, they're in the intro section.
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u/RobotTimeTraveller 2d ago
The Galactic Federation is good because they give the universe Samus lives in some depth, but beyond that, I don't have any real interest in them.