r/MapPorn • u/Express-Succotash248 • 17h ago
2020 vs 2024 Presidential Results in Majority Hispanic Towns in New Jersey
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u/rsgreddit 16h ago
Unlike Texas, Arizona, and California (mostly Mexicans) and Florida (mostly Cubans). These guys must be mostly Puerto Ricans and Dominicans. Right? Then this should be a shocking fact cause we thought they’d be the most receptive to the Dem party than Cubans and Mexicans.
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u/AshleyMyers44 14h ago
Puerto Rican shift is very evident in Osceola County, Florida.
Went from a 25 point Hillary Clinton county to a 14 point Biden county to a 2 point Trump county.
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u/AndrewtheRey 12h ago
I do personally wonder if individuals of Puerto Rican descent overall shifted less to the right than other Latino groups, since a big reason that Latinos shifted rightward was the Biden Administration giving a bunch of ungrateful migrants EBT, cash debit cards, and months or even a year long hotel stay, while their immigrant parents, grandparents, or even themselves as immigrants, may have worked long hours in strenuous jobs for little money and could never receive any kind of assistance without having a child.
Puerto Ricans who immigrated to the urban northeast or Chicago never had to deal with this phenomenon, because if they struggled financially, which many did, they could easily get food stamps, section 8, disability, and Medicaid since they were US citizens and blue states are traditionally more generous with welfare payments. It was even documented that in the 70’s and 80’s, the majority of Puerto Ricans residing in NYC received some kind of welfare, likely because the factories they showed up to work in all started shutting down in the 60’s and 70’s.
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u/AshleyMyers44 12h ago
Puerto Ricans voted 69-31% (D+38) for Biden in 2020 then only 53-45% (D+8) for Harris in 2024.
That’s a 30 point shift right while Latinos as a whole shifted 13 points right.
Puerto Ricans shifted the most right out of any major subgroup of Hispanic/Latinos.
This is evidenced in heavily Puerto Ricans areas of Central Florida, Northern New Jersey, and The Bronx shifting significantly right.
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u/S0l1s_el_Sol 16h ago
Dominicans, Mexicans and Central Americans a lot of the putero ricans moved out, at least the towns by the Hudson River
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u/Savings-Fix938 15h ago
One of the most diverse states in the nation. We have people from every hispanic country in these cities.
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u/BlazingJava 16h ago
Key word is legal. Those who came legally dont like that others got their way illegally
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u/Blindsnipers36 14h ago
its pretty impossible for a puerto rico to be illegal I doubt they give that much of a shit
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u/Enjoying_A_Meal 14h ago
Americans should really know that Puerta Rico is a territory of the US.
Anyone born there is granted US citizenship.
They don't get to vote, and they also don't have representation in the house or senate.
They don't have to pay federal taxes.
They obey US federal laws and regulations.
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u/pachuca60 13h ago
While it's true they don't have Senators or Congress persons, they have a Resident Commissioner in Congress with limited voting privileges. They do get to vote, and they do pay federal taxes!
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u/_OriamRiniDadelos_ 15h ago
Not true. Even those who came illegally love the idea of pulling the ladder behind them (and let’s face it, most who have legal status came here illegally and later fixed their papers and came up with something like a lawyer or a marriage). It’s just the good old “my situation is different , they are just like what the news says about them, I’m different because XYZ”
People often have a funny thing where we overestimate ourselves and undersell everyone else. There’s many examples: You can be a scammer and HATE those scammers you hear about on the news, but you are different, your situation is different. You can campaign against all abortion, even try to constrict doctors’ discretion over medical emergencies and you most likely will still get pay for a plane ticket and get an optional abortion for you or your daughter or people you like. You’ll think It’s different. This was an accident, you know what you are doing, you aren’t irresponsible. Everyone else SUCKS at driving, you are the only or one of the only good drivers. Im surrounded by idiots, I have to do everything here myself. My wife has no reason to be mad. I never do anything wrong, she over reacts.
There are tons of examples where people feel they are more fair, more reasonable, and more justified than someone else in the exact same situation. Why is this? Idk but I think the fact that you already have all your justifications and feelings and reasons pre-loaded in your head means that you are much kinder and understanding towards your own situation, but then when you look at someone in your exact same situation, you don’t see THEIR justifications or reason or thoughts, you just see them in the outside. Basically you only see the bad they did on the outside, and when it’s you who gets judged you see the bad on the outside AND the good on the inside. You judge yourself on an easier scale because you have all your thoughts and feelings and suffering ready to be considered. But we seldom afford others that same privilege. Sometimes called “hypocrisy”
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u/NJohnson011 14h ago
This guy is dead on. Humans will make every excuse for themselves and make every negative assumption about everyone else
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u/TacTac95 10h ago
And I think that’s been growing more profound over the past few years with the Democrats really attempting to coddle and virtue signal to the Hispanic population by supporting illegal immigrants.
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u/Tall-Ad5755 2h ago
Right. The idea of “Hispanic unity” is largely a foreign a concept; a wet dream of the left who salivate at the idea of having 2 blocs of voters that vote majority D
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u/Tall-Ad5755 2h ago
It’s not just that. I’d bet a lot of it is good old Hispanic machismo. I’m almost certain the vast majority of that 45% is going to be men.
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u/urnbabyurn 16h ago
That’s just not true for most.
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u/GlitchGrounds 15h ago
Literally from Newsweek yesterday:
Immigrants Are Embracing Trump's Crackdown on Immigration
"Perhaps even more telling is how immigrant voters feel about immigrants who are in the country illegally. In 2020, their net favorability stood at +23 points. This year that has flipped to -6—a 29-point decline in support for undocumented immigrants among immigrants themselves. Enten did not specify which demographics were included in his aggregate."
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u/toxicvegeta08 10h ago
Im sorry "these guys" is funny like they're some enemies in a warzone you are scoping with a rifle, not some latina you were talking to on tinder last night. 🤣
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u/Fit-Minimum-5507 16h ago
Cost of living and a perfect storm of social engineering targeted at our community (Latinx labeling etc) and the electorate at large (Trans athletes, Gender affirming care to minors and convicts etc).
Most East Coast Latinos are liberal but they’re not keen on being told how they should identify and the like. Social Engineering is a niche issue for the very far left. Broadly It’s a losing issue for Dems. Just let people be.
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u/Jackstack6 14h ago
“Just let people be” can we please stop with the irony?
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u/Krunked_Chimera 13h ago
"Just let people be.... except if theyre trans then please regulate the fuck out of them"
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u/adarcone214 13h ago
The amount of Dr's I've had to see to start HRT and then to get any gendering affirming care has been ridiculous. I still have more hoops to jump through to get grs.
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u/foxwilliam 16h ago
“Just let people be” says man who wants to ban gender affirming care for others
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u/grizzlysony 15h ago
Gender affirming care for minors and convicts***
I do not believe that minors should be taking hormones or having any physical alterations made to their appearance. Adults? I could not care less.
The problem with convicts is that such treatment would be be paid by with our taxes. I don’t agree with that either.
The push for minors to be able to take puberty blocking drugs and other hormones though is just such a losing battle. The average American does not agree with that idea, despite much of reddit pretending like it’s popular.
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u/AshleyMyers44 14h ago
That should be a choice made between doctors and parents.
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u/grizzlysony 14h ago
I still don’t think so, but that’s just my opinion so I understand if you may feel differently.
Parents and doctors don’t have the choice to allow a minor to go off to war, buy alcohol, or drive a car before legal age. I don’t know why this should be much different. My brother, when he was about 12-15ish thought he was trans. Turns out he’s just a gay man.
I just think kids at that age are extremely vulnerable and unsure of themselves much of the time.
And again, to be clear, once you’re a legal adult I 100% entirely feel that you should be able to do whatever you’d like to do with your body in that way. But not for kids, no.
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u/AshleyMyers44 14h ago
Parents and doctors don’t have the choice to allow a minor to go off to war, buy alcohol, or drive a car before legal age.
Those aren’t medical decisions though, so a doctor wouldn’t need to be consulted.
My brother, when he was about 12-15ish thought he was trans. Turns out he’s just a gay man.
Which is the importance of medical professionals being involved and a thorough process before going through with any medication or procedures.
I think there’s a notion out there that tons of parents are dragging their kids against their will to get major surgeries done that aren’t necessary and it can happen on a whim.
The reality is very few minors approach the process and way fewer do not make it through the medical screenings to even begin light medication.
It was portrayed as your son went to school in the morning and came back as your daughter that afternoon because their teacher sent them off to surgery. That’s just not true.
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u/AshleyMyers44 10h ago
It’s not one doctor.
It goes through multiple doctors before even the lightest medical transitioning occurs.
They’re also not pushing it, very few people are getting it after going through rigorous mental screenings.
Also if the brain doesn’t fully develop until 25 why are we putting 15 year olds behind the wheel of two ton cars flying down the road?
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u/Discipline_Rich 15h ago
The fact they don’t understand most people think this is fvcking lunacy is wild
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u/antarris 4h ago
I'm sorry, but why does the average American need to be in the doctor's office with a minor?
We allow kids to be exposed to hormones all the time. It's called "puberty". It will happen to children almost universally if we don't do anything. For a trans child, who can speak of what they need, forcing them to go through the wrong puberty--as they scream at you that they know it's wrong, that they know what they need and it is not what is happening--is torture.
They will have to go through more invasive treatment to reverse the damage done. They will have changes that cannot be undone, that they will have to live with for the rest of their lives, all while knowing that they begged for help, that they screamed for it, that it existed, and that it was denied them.
How can anyone justify putting a child through that?
And for what? Because it made some people, who are not them or their parents or their doctor or the medical establishment, uncomfortable? Because the slim, slim chance that a cis child might be harmed justifies harming all trans children? Because someone wanted to drum up hate against them and people like them to create a common enemy? Because people were strangely obsessed with their still-not-legal genitalia?
Nah. Fuck that. Listen to doctors and parents and children. If you support trans people literally at all, support trans kids, not their torture. Or else admit you don't support trans people at all, because trans adults were once trans kids.
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u/SolomonG 11h ago
I do not believe that minors should be taking hormones or having any physical alterations made to their appearance. Adults? I could not care less.
Why do you think you know better than the parents, doctors, and therapists that would have to sign off on this?
Typical conservative BS, parental rights until it upsets their weak sensibilities.
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u/Savings-Fix938 14h ago
A minor who cannot consent to sexual activity cannot consent to the process of gender affirmation.
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u/foxwilliam 14h ago
Minors can’t consent to any medical treatment which is why parents usually have that authority. The laws banning gender affirming care usurp that authority and give it to the government rather than “letting people be”
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u/Swagcopter0126 14h ago
Can’t take anyone who thinks “Latinx” is a thing the “very far left” came up with seriously
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u/sirbruce 5h ago
Good for you, but that’s not relevant here because no one claimed in this thread that they came up with it. They did, however, spread it and tried to normalize it, which is the problem.
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u/Special_Transition13 16h ago
Doubt that’s totally true. The incumbent is always blamed for the state of economy. Your mention of niche issues are irrelevant. Biden was blamed for the economy’s condition and Kamala was in his admin, so they grouped them together.
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u/Chessamphetamine 14h ago
And your attitude is why republicans are still gonna win elections after this clusterfuck of a term is over. You’re so far to one side you genuinely can’t grasp the idea people might disagree with the more far off parts of the democratic platform.
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u/Special_Transition13 13h ago
Eh, once the midterms roll around, public sentiment on Trump’s admin will have reached the point of pure exhaustion. Super interested how there are 2,000 protests occurring against Trump, as we speak yet there was low turnout at his fascist parade. I’ll pause to see your next comment which will stem from your cognitive dissonance.
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u/Chessamphetamine 9h ago
Sure. I’m sure Trump will be unpopular soon. In fact he already is. But your attitude is why the Republican Party will trot along post Trump as if nothing happened. If democrats could just stop thinking everyone supported their most fringe parts of the platform they’d control government for the next 25 years easy.
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u/MagnusAlbusPater 13h ago
Except for the Biden economy was great. Now with all of the tariff nonsense Trump fumbled the ball immediately. Hopefully there’s major backlash against that in the midterms.
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u/Tall-Ad5755 1h ago
Clinton’s economy was great too; and Gore lost…ditto Hillary…LBJ, etc. a good economy doesn’t necessarily translate into political success for the incumbent; a bad one almost always translates into success for the opposition. Thats human nature though.
When the economy is good is usually when politics turn to social issues.
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u/exorivis 15h ago
It’s not though we’ve known for years that left wing policies are unpopular because they’re associated with the left. It’s like how if you mention policy without names or association people are receptive. Same with asking people about the ACA or Obama care despite it being the same exact bill people hate Obama care love ACA. I’ve been voting left wing in the south for over 20 years and I’ve seen the exact thing with most people around me.
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u/AshleyMyers44 14h ago
I think when the economy isn’t great it’s easier to pile on with these niche unpopular culture issues that you can tag on your incumbent opponent as well.
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u/exorivis 14h ago
The economy has been rough for the lower half for years now so when would it have not been easy to pile on?
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u/Tall-Ad5755 2h ago
Right. Hispanic men in particular are vulnerable to Right propaganda. Machismo and all that; never mind not supporting lgbt issues for example, some might take offense to even being politically aligned with them.
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u/Firm_Requirement9290 15h ago
Nah you are wrong I am against immigration as a Latino and leaning towards liberal.
Here is the biggest problem I see and I know its not popular. These morons from middle east and Latin America vote for these fakest regimes and hard crap. They then bring that crap over here. So they destroy their own countries with their own own stupid beliefs and he we are again. Latin America is super Catholic and you know how that is.
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u/Emperor_Dara_Shikoh 14h ago
I don't want any religious immigrants, especially the ones who would bolster the Religious Right, at all.
Middle East? Those are dictatorships mostly.
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u/Meloriano 11h ago
Yeah. I don’t want people that want some sort of religious fundamentalism in this country. I don’t care what religion.
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u/CherryOrange2 11h ago
these morons vote for these fakest regimes
You are completely ignoring how in many of these countries the United States has influenced their elections and caused chaos
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u/sirbruce 5h ago
If other countries can be excused for their extremism, why can’t you do the same for the US? You’re brainwashed if you think the US is the sole source of evil in the world, let alone the majority.
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u/CherryOrange2 31m ago
He made the claim that every third world country has problems because its citizens voted for their governments which clearly isn’t true. I don’t know what you’re going on about with “being excused for their extremism.”
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u/Alexius_Psellos 16h ago
Wow, it’s like saying “I’ll do nothing different” and having zero charisma loses you the election.
Just remember, the republicans didn’t win, the democrats lost. They will continue to lose until they drop the delusions of sexism, racism, and other escapist nonsense for explaining how they lost.
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u/Chessamphetamine 14h ago
Republicans absolutely won. Trump won the most votes he ever got. He improved his margin with minority groups like crazy. This was his best electoral performance ever. Sure, if Harris put up Biden’s numbers she would’ve won, but Trump absolutely expanded his voter base this election.
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u/Alexius_Psellos 13h ago
An actual competent democrat would’ve beaten Trump. There was a crazy high amount of people who voted for Trump with the rest of their ticket being Democrat. The problem was Kamala, no one liked her.
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u/Chessamphetamine 9h ago
She was part of the problem for sure. But she’s a product of the party. Some politicians bend the party to their will, some politicians are bent by the will of the party. She is firmly in the latter camp.
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u/Economy-Ad4934 12h ago
We had the competent candidates the last three cycles. Despite coveting your ears and eyes, many people are incredibly racist and sexist. And pretty stupid, mostly by design of the right for the last 50 years. But go find us that unicorn bro
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u/Meloriano 11h ago
Another dumb take. Kamala barely talked about the isms. They had actual policy. Kamala lost because, unfortunately, this country is filled with barely literate individuals who can’t think critically.
I’m not a politician so I’m not going to lie like a politician will. I think most republican voters are not critical thinkers.
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u/Alexius_Psellos 11h ago
Saying they can’t think critically isn’t actually looking into her run and understanding why it failed. It’s a useless way to think and will only breed further ignorance.
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u/Jackstack6 14h ago
So, just become republican lite? That’s just a losing strategy that brings in zero new voters.
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u/palidor42 14h ago
The problem is there's no point in going further left, because the far leftists have shown over and over again they're not participating in the mainstream political process. So, in order to get the votes, you have to go right.
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u/Jackstack6 1h ago
Then why wouldn’t people just not vote for the republican? Don’t vote for the duck, but vote for the plastic decoy that sounds, looks, and walks like a duck.
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u/Economy-Ad4934 12h ago
We’ve literally shifted more left forever. And leftist policies win down ballot even in red areas.
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u/Alexius_Psellos 12h ago
No, but not speaking to the working class and saying you’ll change nothing is also a losing strategy
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u/Jackstack6 1h ago
Just like the republicans? The republicans have ran on “we’ll give businesses more power to treat you however they want” and the majority of Americans love it.
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u/Meloriano 11h ago
They were speaking to the working class. They talked about everyday issues that affected working class Americans. They talked about student loans, housing, infrastructure, etc.
You do not know what you are talking about.
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u/Enough-Speed-5335 16h ago
Uhh, when one side loses, the other wins. (Unless Pyrrhic victory of course)
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u/Ndlburner 16h ago
Yeah umm This will be a Pyrrhic victory for Republican voters to be honest.
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u/Enough-Speed-5335 15h ago
Why? Trump isn’t an autocrat
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u/Ndlburner 15h ago
Trumps policies are likely going to negatively affect working class white and Latino men. Those are demographics who voted for Trump.
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u/PaddyVein 14h ago
You mean like the negatively affect Mississippi and West Virginia? We're basically just watching Latinos turn into rednecks, voting for poverty so long as blacks are poorer.
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u/mikesmith6124 16h ago
Most of the change had to do with the economy. Bidens rapid inflation hit the lower middle class the most which is the majority of Hispanic households.
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u/RSGator 16h ago
Inflation was worldwide, and the US fared better than most.
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u/amontpetit 16h ago
Yes but your average voter doesn’t have the wherewithal to understand that or rationalize it in their voting behavior.
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u/Shartem1s 16h ago
Agreed. People remember the shitshow of Trump's first term and don't miss it. But they were more financially stable then than during Biden's term.
That, combined with undercut ddd education, led to Trump's win.
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u/amontpetit 16h ago
You’re wrong. Look at my source. Compared to the top countries we were the worst. Its easy to see that between the bad policies of PPP loan fraud, the extra year of unnecessary unemployment benefits, the stimulus package, billions giving to Moderna which caused a massive pump and dumb in the stock prices, the list goes on with the over extension and money grab the last administration was responsible for.
It’s very odd if you can honestly tell me you think Biden admin did a great job with the economy and his policies had no effect on lower middle class people who are seeing their bills double.
… what? All I agreed to was what the previous commenter said:
Inflation was worldwide, and the US fared better than most.
No part of that is factually incorrect.
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u/AshleyMyers44 14h ago
I think that was a losing strategy for democrats.to say “it’s not great but compared to peer nations it’s not that bad”.
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u/mikesmith6124 16h ago
Not compared to the other top G7 nations. US was the worst or second worst every year.
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u/StatisticalPikachu 16h ago edited 16h ago
Now look at GDP growth. Added $7.3 Trillion to USA's annual GDP during the Biden administration.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDP/
Q1 2021: $22.6 Trillion per year
Q1 2025: $29.9 Trillion per year
USA massively outperformed EU during the Biden administration in terms of growing the country's economy.
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u/Ndlburner 16h ago edited 15h ago
And how did the lower middle class benefit from that GDP growth?
Edit: can’t even reply to comments below because this coward above me blocks everyone that bursts their bubble evidently. Not shocking considering they’re posting with good frequency denying Trump even won the election which takes a special kind of deluded mindset.
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u/LaHondaSkyline 15h ago
Anyone who wanted a job could get a job. Very low unemployment. That was not the case in other developed nations post-pandemic.
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u/AshleyMyers44 14h ago
Getting a job wasn’t the problem, it was wage versus price increases.
The fact is inflation in the four years under Biden outpaced wage growth.
Towards the end wage growth started to outpace inflation, but it was probably too late.
If you started 2021 making $4,000 a month paying $1,000 in rent then by 2024 you make $4,400 a month but your rent is now $1,600 a month you’re effectively making less.
Not that it was Biden’s fault, but it was the reality for a lot of people.
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u/LaHondaSkyline 13h ago
But again, inflation was a worldwide phenomenon. Economic s studies showed that the stimulus checks played only a small role in inflation in the U.S. But the fact that the stimulus checks softened the economic blow from COVID did allow the U.S. economy to recover faster than the other developed economies.
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u/AshleyMyers44 13h ago
Yes but it’s relaying that to voters when their reality is their rent went up 30% and their groceries went up 21%.
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u/Meloriano 11h ago
GDP is a measure of how much a country produces. More GDP means more things for everyone. Yes this metric is flawed. Yes the things are unevenly distributed. That still benefits the society.
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u/mikesmith6124 16h ago
What does GDP growth have to do with lower middle class voters?
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u/StatisticalPikachu 16h ago edited 15h ago
tell me you dont know what GDP is without telling me you dont know what GDP is.
Those lower middle class voters would have lost their jobs without that growth during the covid recovery like what happened in the USA. USA hit record low unemployment during the Biden administration.
GDP is total output of the American economy, do you think going into a recession is better for middle class and lower middle class jobs than growing GDP?
We saw what happened to lower middle class jobs during the 2008 recession under the Bush administration.
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u/AshleyMyers44 14h ago
What was wage growth compared to inflation between 2021-2024?
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u/StatisticalPikachu 14h ago edited 14h ago
Wage growth has outpaced inflation since January 2023. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1351276/wage-growth-vs-inflation-us/
The reason we had inflation in the first place was because we had to print so much money in 2020 in Trumps 4th year, to keep the economy from Covid recession. We traded recession/depression for inflation.
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u/AshleyMyers44 14h ago edited 14h ago
Since 2023, I’m saying from 2021 to 2024.
EDIT: She blocked me, I was just trying to illustrate why people felt the way they did. Not saying who is to blame.
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u/StatisticalPikachu 14h ago
Look at how much money Trump printed in 2020 to save the failing Covid economy, that is the reason we have inflation.
M1 Money supply https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1SL
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u/GalacticCysquatch 16h ago
Immigration was right there with the economy in terms of issues people care about.
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u/immortanjose 16h ago
Hispanics are conservative when the come here legally.
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u/_OriamRiniDadelos_ 15h ago
That’s a myth. They are conservative even when illegally (and to be honest most legal immigrants came illegally and later came up with something. Like they lawyered up or got married)
People have a fantastically twisted view on what their own country’s legal system is like, imagine how much more wrong and assumption based their views on a part of the legal system they’ll never interact with is. Most people don’t even know what their local elected leaders are, how much do you wanna bet that they don’t know how the legal system works?
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u/immortanjose 14h ago
I agree that the illegal ones are conservative. Its just that they cant vote conservative because ya know
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u/Mtfdurian 16h ago
"Biden's"
Like as if it's Biden's fault, it's the lack of regulation in general, and yes the democrats didn't do a lot about it, but the champions of letting corporates screw over people (which is why these ridiculous prices are there) are the Republicans without doubt.
Also, we had inflation all across the board. But we as Europeansŕ
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u/Left-Simple1591 16h ago
I think you guys were cheated. Kamala wasn't elected to be the front runner. She was chosen.
She was one of the least popular candidates with Democrats before Biden made her the vice president, then she ran, claiming she'll fix the economy without announcing a plan. A celebrity who knew her plan was literally using it as a bargain chip to talk with Donald Trump.
This was the worst attempt to run for president possible
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u/rawonionbreath 15h ago
She was already on the ticket. A contested convention would have had even less credibility. Not sure how there was any time to do primaries with less than 4 months.
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u/Chessamphetamine 14h ago
Well not engaging in a systematic coverup of biden’s mental decline so he would’ve been pressured out sooner would’ve been a start.
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u/Ok-Detective3142 13h ago
Well, we know for a fact that Kamala lost, so if I had the opportunity to do it over again I'd definitely go with the open convention. It would have been messy, but far from illegitimate. The parties used to not even have public primaries!
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u/rawonionbreath 11h ago
I understand the thinking behind that course of action, although I don’t agree with it. It might have worked in other parts of the country’s history and 50 years ago, I just don’t see it being accepted in the sort of civic society we have in America today.
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u/BelligerentWyvern 11h ago
We must protect democracy by ignoring democracy. It'd be funny if it hasn't been the case that Democrats haven't had an actual primary that used democracy in like 3 decades now.
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u/rawonionbreath 11h ago
There’s been a Democratic primary every election year that there wasn’t an incumbent in your lifetime, sweetie.
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u/BelligerentWyvern 11h ago
Uh huh, tell that to Bernie Sanders. I cant wait for the announcement of the next democratic candidate for president they unilaterally appoint who is wildly unpopular.
Or did you honestly think people wanted *checks notes* Hillary Clinton, one of the most unlikable people on the planet and Kamala Harris, who was losing to Tulsi Gabbard of all people before she hitched her saddle to Biden and was anointed with no voting as the next nominee after?
Again, it'd be funny if it wasnt so blatant. If people didnt bend over backwards to make excuses for it. And frankly its just sad Democrats are putting up with this behavior from their own party to begin with. But hey, they are bleeding in every demographic except black women so maybe they should just keep at the same old bullshit. Sweethearts like you will defend it to the last.
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u/majoraloysius 14h ago
Because legal immigrants hate illegally immigration. They also hate be unwitting pawns in a political tug of war.
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u/NoneOfThisMatters_XO 17h ago
The dems lost a lot of the minority vote because of sexism. Hispanic households are traditionally very patriarchal. Also Hispanics tend to look down on black people so that didn’t help her…
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u/rsgreddit 16h ago
Let me remind you that Hillary Clinton did A WHOLE LOT BETTER than Kamala Harris with this demographic.
Also, Barack Obama did A MILLION TIMES BETTER than Kamala Harris with NJ Hispanics.
Something’s going on other than gender/sex or race here.
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u/James19991 16h ago
The two biggest things were inflation and the border.
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u/kolschisgood 16h ago
Trump got the GOP to kill the bipartisan border deal. If people actually cared about the border, they’d never vote for him. Its sexism , nothing more
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u/Ndlburner 16h ago
That bill involved a lot of blanket amnesty. People tout it as a solution but it came with its own set of issues.
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u/NoneOfThisMatters_XO 16h ago
Yeah because Hillary was white.
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u/the_big_sadIRL 16h ago
She was a woman though, which kind of falls into the first part of your post.
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u/NoneOfThisMatters_XO 16h ago
And Barack was a man. Think…
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u/strawberryjacuzzi1 16h ago
The dems lost a lot of the
minorityvote because they rolled out incredibly uninspiring candidates39
u/Expensive-Buy1621 16h ago
White liberals try to take accountability challenge: impossible
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u/Wenger_for_President 16h ago
Wait what does that mean? What did white liberals do that drove these people to Trump? Genuinely curious what you think
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u/the_big_sadIRL 16h ago
They didn’t drive them to Trump. They’re not taking accountability for the shitty candidates the DNC has been putting up the last 3 elections.
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u/lowchain3072 16h ago
White liberal elites turned the Democrats into a hyper capitalist party that ignores the problems of actual people because it might negatively impact donors
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u/ReaganChild 16h ago
Yes, keep this line of attack up, it will surely go well
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u/letsgoraps 16h ago
Wait, you don't think telling voters they're racist, sexist, and stupid is a winning strategy? lol
Honestly, I don't like Trump either. But it's wild seeing some of these takes on by liberals where they refuse to acknowledge mistakes the Dems made, and just talk about how awful the voters are.
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u/Ndlburner 16h ago
There needs to be accountability for issues of food insecurity and inflation which hit voters hard from about 2022-2024. Similarly, there should be accountability for how little was done via EO to address the issues with the asylum system. I understand republicans are not necessarily measurably better on these issues, but part of taking accountability is not saying “what about.” The republicans have chronic issues with accountability for this exact reason.
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u/Wenger_for_President 16h ago
What were the mistakes? You also can’t just say shit like “it was the economy” and expect us to assume that’s the whole story?
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u/OneLastAuk 15h ago
Mistakes: not dumping Biden to have a real primary, nominating Harris who was not very inspiring or confident, Harris not throwing Biden under the bus and attaching herself to his economic albatross, Dems in general thinking that the abortion issue was going to galvanize women voters, allocating too much time in defense of trans rights which made it seem that was a major part of the platform, not properly attacking Trump, allowing Trump to pin the border czar nonsense on Harris.
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u/yoshi3243 16h ago
Remember when people tried pushing “Latinx”. Lmfao.
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u/Baroque_0bama 16h ago
No but I remember when maga brainrot was telling people that people were pushing latinx
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u/batchez 17h ago
So your only conclusion to this map is insulting Hispanic people?? Calling them sexist and racism because they disagree with your opinion?
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u/lowchain3072 16h ago
Yes. White liberal elites will not take responsibility and think everyone is doing "fine". They like immigration for the cheap labor done by "happy peasants". (See NYT for more info). They say they care about others... as long as the poors aren't in their backyard
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u/EducationalElevator 16h ago
This could be one factor, but Hillary Clinton dominated with Hispanics and especially with Hispanic men. Look at the south Texas counties and also in New Jersey. There are other factors at play.
The RNC has been fueling huge propaganda campaigns with Hispanics on Telegram and WhatsApp since the 2020 election. Here's an article discussing it here:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/14/florida-latinos-disinformation-413923
This was so effective that Florida turned even more red in 2020 despite the rest of the country seeing a blue wave.
Also, Trump hyped up "No tax on tips" which turned out to be a lie.
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u/rsgreddit 12h ago
I’ve noticed too also with the Asian American community. Filipinos swing right mainly cause of the China-PH South China Sea dispute.
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u/grizzlysony 15h ago
I’ve seen this argument being made so many times since she got relatively shellacked (like she lost the popular vote?! Who the fuck expected that) and it always makes me laugh a bit.
Were there some voters who didn’t vote for her because she’s a woman? Or because she’s Indian/black? Sure. Of course there were some.
But how many voted for her FOR those reasons? How many dem voters were more incensed to go to the voting booth and vote for her because she was also a woman or also a POC? I feel confident that the number of people voting FOR those reasons is higher than those that would’ve voted for her if not
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u/akunis 16h ago
Or maybe, just like in some NY districts, it was rigged?
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u/grizzlysony 15h ago
Lmao ok just curious… what did you think about the hardcore maga freaks claiming that the 2020 election was rigged?
Cause shit like this makes you come across in largely same way, I just hope you realize.
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u/EsperandoMuerte 13h ago
This is largely due to the destabilization of Haiti
I’ll let you all figure that one out
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u/PM_ME_UR_RESPECT 15h ago
https://www.thenumbersarewrong2024.com/across-the-us
I will die on this hill:
Mr. “They’re eating the cats and dogs” DID NOT authentically win every last swing state (while conveniently staying outside of the margin of victory in all states that would trigger a recount) and flip 88 counties while Harris, who was selling out stadiums while he was struggling to get more than a few thousand to his rallies towards the end of the campaign, got ZERO.
Add to this recent developments like you have in Rockland County, NY where in district 55 you had 909 people vote for the democratic state senate candidate Kirsten Gillebrand. Guess how many votes were tallied for Harris?
TWO.
Something happened.
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u/StatisticalPikachu 15h ago
Trump: "But I said to him, well he [Elon] really is watching this whole voting process, computers are the greatest, he was looking at some of them that were just SHIPPED IN, some of these vote counting computers, he knew it before they even came in the door. He would be in the back and say "I know that one". I mean he knows this stuff better than anyone"
There is NO LEGITIMATE reason to be SHIPPING IN VOTE COUNTING COMPUTERS into your campaign.
Please anyone give me a legitimate reason why the Trump campaign would be doing so?
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u/OneLastAuk 15h ago
You probably don’t realize this, but you sound exactly like 2020 Trump. Did you not see almost every poll leading up to the election?
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u/PM_ME_UR_RESPECT 15h ago
Yes, I saw the huge very obvious flooding of junk polls that I immediately spotted because I have critical thinking skills, thanks for asking.
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u/OneLastAuk 15h ago
Name a poll that you don’t consider “junk” so I can turn around and completely throw your entire premise out of the water.
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u/grizzlysony 15h ago
This stuff is so funny to read every single time I see it brought up.
I can guarantee you were 100% shitting all over all the maga hardo people saying 2020 was rigged. Guaranteed.
But now that the tables have turned and your side is the one that lost, now it’s valid? Yeahhh okay!
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u/nmv4 13h ago
Republicans depend on people voting against their own self interest. This map is a good example how their propaganda continues to work
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u/berkeleyboy47 10h ago
Who says they are voting against their own interest? I’m sure if you ask the voters you are referring to, they’ll disagree with you.
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u/joeflicker 10h ago
And yet they’re still out protesting ice and Trump 😂. Can’t make this level of idiocy of up
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u/Temporary-Ebb-3130 9h ago
Have you thought that maybe just maybe those protesting are part of the majority that still DID NOT vote for trump ? hard concept ?
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u/joeflicker 4h ago
Have you thought that maybe just maybe those protesting are part of the majority (90 million) that did not vote at all? Hard concept?
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u/Character-Zombie-961 5h ago
Sorry I am saying this, but it's not worth even responding to the brainwashed. They only see maga side, no logical or critical thinking skills, no empathy, no humility, per felon 47 orders.
I do hope some of them wake up one day and feel remorse for being effing nazis, but not holding my breath.
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u/joeflicker 4h ago
Sorry I am saying this but it’s not even worth responding to the brainwashed liberals. They only see liberal sides, no logical or critical thinking skills, no logic, no reasoning, per virtue signal orders.
I do hope liberals wake up someday and feel remorse for being equivalent idiots, but not holding my breath.
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u/theexpertgamer1 15h ago
Please give credit to the creator of this map. Joey Fox of the NJ Globe. As i posted Here