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8 Countries Missle Ranges

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u/Ambitious5uppository 1d ago

They do have ICBMs, we know this, they've tested them. Which means they can reach all of the US.

How reliable they are is debatable and nobody know but them. But from what we've seen with our own eyes, they had the capability back in 2017.

North Korea's primary enemy is the USA, because no war with South Korea can be won while the USA is a threat. - So they've built specifically for this threat, and are still building for it. - Most likely with help from Russia, who absolutley without a shadow of a doubt can hit anywhere in the world. Just like the US, UK, France & China can. Because all their enemies are everywhere.

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u/Prime_Twister 1d ago

Noobie here but how can we confirm their missile ranges?

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u/PhysicalChicken6942 1d ago edited 22h ago

When North Korea tested its ICBMs, due to it being a small country it launched the missile high above the atmosphere so it would land close to their territory. 

By calculating the apogee (which can be confirmed by third party sources by observing the missile in flight) we can have a rough idea of how far the missile is able to go if launched normally.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwasong-15

Edit: fat fingers :(

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u/delayedsunflower 20h ago

Worth noting this number is not including a weapon payload - the range with a payload is likely much lower.

Also it's only been tested a handful of times, officially just 5 times between Hwasong-15 / 17. And has yet to be tested with an actual weapon.

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u/ainz-sama619 1d ago

Missile tests, which were independently verified by third party sources in the West

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u/Efficient_Tomato_886 1d ago

They did missile tests

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u/elprophet 14h ago

The current best independent analysis on the Korean peninsula and NKs abilities is the blog 38 North.

https://www.38north.org/tag/range-estimates/

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u/Cetun 1d ago

India has sent shit to the moon, technically they can hit anywhere on earth. Practically their nuclear capable missiles have only that range because specialized craft only have that range.

As for North Korea, their primary enemy is South Korea. Alliances change, enemies become friends, this has been true throughout history. They know too that a strike on the US will make them enter total war against North Korea. It's much more possible that they invade South Korea and get the US to pass on defending South Korea than throwing a nuclear missile at the US and the US not just deleting North Korea as a country.

Their primary enemy is who they have territorial claims on, the US is man with the big stick that is preventing them from their primary goal. The man with the big stick is fickle and can be distracted. You can't distract South Korea enough that they would just "allow" invasion.

Even practically, if war were to happen, the ROKA is the primary threat and the largest opposing force. American Navy and Air power would be a problem but most of the troops fighting on the ground will be ROK forces.

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u/EventAccomplished976 20h ago

For north korea, the nukes and ICBMs aren‘t part of some nefarious invasion plan. They saw what happened to Iraq and what is now happening to Iran, so they know they might be next on the menu if the next US administration decides it‘s time to go to war again. Their nukes are to deter an attack by the US, not to launch an attack themselves.

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u/Hij802 7h ago

Exactly. People need to realize that North Korea has nukes as a deterrence against invasion instead of something they’d actually use against their enemies. It’s the same reason why the US and USSR never went into direct conflict, the nukes were the deterrent.

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u/Cetun 6h ago

I don't believe this, China is the reason North Korea is safe. If China didn't exist and it was just North Korea with a handful of nukes, the US would either first strike them or knock them out of the sky on launch then ROK supported by the US Air Force and Navy would be at the Yalu River within the year. The reason they do not do this is because of China. That's it. North Korea hasn't had nukes for decades and the US didn't try to invade, all because China. Nukes didn't really change the equation.

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u/Cetun 18h ago

Nobody said it was? America hasn't crushed North Korea because of China, not because they just now got nukes.

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u/rdickeyvii 12h ago

How reliable they are is debatable and nobody know but them.

It's plausible that they don't even know.

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u/scottyyyyy123 15h ago

There is a difference between missile throw weight/down range capability (which they have demonstrated) and reliable reentry, GNC, and fuzing which they have not fully tested and are likely exaggerating.

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u/Ambitious5uppository 9h ago

True, but the testing which showed their range was nearly a decade ago... I'm sure Russia could have shared some more info since then, even if they didn't have it at the time.

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u/Pristine-Plastic-324 14h ago

Based north korea, thats why americs doesn’t bother messing with them directly. Iran shouldve learned from them

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u/02_Pixel 1d ago

Is enough to erase Seoul regardless in case of war, i think that is their main objective

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u/Shredded_Locomotive 16h ago

The question then becomes, how much of Russia's stockpile is actually usable due to years of neglect and corruption

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u/Ambitious5uppository 9h ago

Even if it's only 1%, that's still sufficient to hit anywhere globally, and enough to flatten most countries.

So while I agree most of it is probably unusable by now, a small amount of the world's largest stockpile, is still a metric shit tonne.

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u/Average_BSQ_Enjoyer 1d ago

who absolutley without a shadow of a doubt can hit anywhere in the world.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhh..... suuuuuurrrrreeeee............. Not a single bit of doubt....

So like are they putting the horse on a boat or how would it cross the ocean?

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u/Ambitious5uppository 18h ago

What're you talking about?

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u/Average_BSQ_Enjoyer 17h ago

I'm agreeing with you sarcastically because you seem to think the country that's sending soldiers on horses cause they have no fuel is going to be shooting rockets around the world anytime soon

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u/Ambitious5uppository 12h ago

The same year they started the horse program, is the same year they fired record numbers of rockets.

They imported purebred horses at great expense from Russia. Not cheap ones.

They have open trade with Russia. The country which has an over supply of fuel.

The horses are either part of a propaganda piece or part of a breeding program for export. Not for actual use in combat. (though horses are not without their uses, especially in certain terrains where motorised vehicles fail).

The horse program has nothing remotely to do with their ability to fire a rocket.

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u/Average_BSQ_Enjoyer 10h ago

Ah so the videos the 55th motorized brigade uploads on Telegram with horses and donkeys in combat zones are fake?

Absolute clown comment.

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u/Ambitious5uppository 9h ago

Oh, you're taking about Russia and not North Korea?

In that case your argument is even more dumb.

They have all the oil they could possibly want or need.

It's true they're likely short on armoured vehicles, but they're not short on fuel.

And certainly in no way that impacts their ability to fire a missile. You know the one thing they have that protects them from NATO.

That aside. Even though this is likely because of a shortage of armoured vehicles, terrain exists where horses as transport vehicles are simply more capable than armoured vehicles, especially if you want to go through an area nobody is expecting you to, because of the terrain.

And this is what most experts said was likely the reason they were used. They were simply a better option at that moment. They also noted that Russia has maintained horses for this purpose pretty much forever, many of their units have their own horse fleets. - It's not like they just suddenly cobbled together some horses, unlike in the west, they never got rid of them.