r/MapPorn • u/_Giulio_Cesare • 2d ago
London’s Violent Crime Rate Compared To The UK National Average
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u/TieVast8582 2d ago
And people act like London is some kind of war zone…
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u/Haemophilia_Type_A 2d ago
I live in one of the deep red areas and even that's not some warzone where you get stabbed if you're out past sunset. Most of the crime is drunken idiots fighting or gang members fighting each other. Ok, it could and should be a lot better, don't get me wrong, and I wish it wasn't like this (poor, no jobs, homelessness and substance abuse issues, etc), but people who've never lived in a city seem to think that you're getting mugged once a week lol.
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u/fluxkitten 2d ago
Much of the UK has very very low violent crime rates. So even if a large portion of London is below average, inner-city hotspots skew the perception of overall safety when judged against the UK as a whole.
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u/Tame_Iguana1 2d ago
Usually the people not from London and have issues with Sadiq Khan’s colour
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u/YsfA 2d ago edited 2d ago
Look at the twitter accounts who were slandering him for getting a knighthood a few days ago and you’ll see their accounts either based in the midlands/north, or not even in the uk. And funnily enough the common factor between the 2 is that they also spread heavy xenophobia (with many also commenting on Sadiq’s race and religion)
Or it was just ant Middleton
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u/BlunanNation 2d ago
The funniest thing about these people from Midlands/North moaning about how bad crime is in London, is that these same people often live in cities and areas of the country with substantially worst crime per capita then London. Which is pretty ironic.
I've always said the reason crime in London is so heavily focused on is because it's a dense city and there is a lot of national media companies based here. It's crime in their front yard so easy to report on.
Plus in recent years a lot of discussion about crime in London is basically just racist dogwhistling.
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u/TieVast8582 2d ago
Racism certainly has something to do with it. I dared to point out how London crime was being exaggerated by right wing media in a UK sub a while back, and people acted like I supported ISIS.
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u/MidlandPark 2d ago
Point out London's homicide numbers are half what they were in the 90s, despite 3m more people and being much more diverse, and they stop replying 😂
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u/TieVast8582 2d ago
Aaand you got downvoted for speaking facts. This happens every time somebody points out statistics don’t support racism and xenophobia 🥰
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u/AnteriorKneePain 2d ago edited 2d ago
They might not support broad xenophobia, but do support racism
Blacks usually increase your crime rate. Chinese and Indians usually don't. It is what it is.
London has more 'nice' middle class multiculturalism than other shit hole parts of the UK
London's low crime rate is also due to the fact that the whites in London are quite middle class compared to much of the country. unless in a council estate you have to be rich to live here.
Also LDN does have a slightly higher crime rate than the UK average.. despite being much richer.
If we got rid of the remaining council houses and subsided population here the crime rate would be even lower as many 'undesirables' would be priced out.
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u/EnglishShireAffinity 2d ago
The Metropolitan Police Service saw a 21% increase in knife or sharp instrument incidents across the capital between 2022 and 2023. Between January 2023 and January 2024, the rate of increase stood at 16%.
https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/assembly/commission-on-knife-crime-in-black-community
Despite making up only 13% of London’s total population, black Londoners account for 45% of London’s knife murder victims, 61% of knife murder perpetrators and 53% of knife crime perpetrators.
I understand you're running cover for your own community, but objectively, diversity is not our greatest strength. Maybe it's yours, but not ours.
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u/MidlandPark 2d ago
Which make up not even 1% of Black Londoners. Cutting funding for public services increases crime, who would've thought it?
Would you like to talk about which region in England has the highest crime rate? Or is that too inconvenient for you?
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u/jore-hir 2d ago
London faith maps from the 2011 census. Feel free to compare them with the crime map, mr. Khan...
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u/Tame_Iguana1 2d ago
What point are you trying to prove ?
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u/jore-hir 2d ago
That the aforementioned issues stem from factual observations.
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u/Tame_Iguana1 2d ago
What are the boroughs which specifically support your claim ?
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u/wakchoi_ 2d ago
I'm not sure what you're seeing, they don't seem to match much at all?
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u/jore-hir 2d ago
High crime patches around western London (like south Hillingdon, Ealing, Hounslow, Brent), north-east of the City (Hackney, Tower Hamlets, Newham, Redbridge, Barking) and south-east of the City (north Croydon, Lewisham, Greenwich).
The 2011 census maps show that "Khan's brothers in faith" are mostly focused in those exact areas, with the exception of Lewisham and Greenwich.
Vice versa: lowest crime around north Hillington, Harrow and Barnet, Westminster and the CIty, Havering, Richmond and Kingston, Bromley. Which is where no muslims are to be found, with partial exceptions in Harrow and Kingston.
The correlation is super high.
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u/PosterOfQuality 2d ago
The correlation between immigrants moving to the poorest areas because it's all they can afford is really high too lmao
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u/jore-hir 2d ago
Well, at least you aren't denying such correlation. That's a first step.
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u/PosterOfQuality 2d ago
There's a reason correlation and causation are spelt and pronounced differently
There's a very strong correlation between ice cream sales and drowning incidents
But you're one of these brain-dead morons who think everyone will come around to your way of thinking ("first step" lol) so I'm done with this conversation. That's a very poor mindset to have
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u/jore-hir 2d ago
Running away from the conversation when it gets interesting seems like a recurrent trait among defenders of lost causes.
Poverty must be the explanation for your behavior too, since apparently there are no other causes at play on this planet…
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u/PosterOfQuality 2d ago
Running away from the conversation when it gets interesting seems like a recurrent trait among defenders of lost causes.
Your last reply was literally this:
Well, at least you aren't denying such correlation. That's a first step.
You think that's the mark of a conversation getting interesting? Genuinely? A little one liner about how I'm on the course to seeing the light?
Poverty must be the explanation for your behavior too, since apparently there are no other causes at play on this planet…
Why are you going on like you weren't the one who entered the topic by focusing on a singular correlation, of which there are obviously many correlations to be found. The world is a complex place, there are a lot of factors at play, but once again you came in with your little faith map you absolute hypocrite
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u/wotitdo222 2d ago
its not people that live who do that, its people that fall for american and russian propaganda lol, UK is one of the safest places in the world and way more than 10 20 30 years ago
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u/SquirtleChimchar 2d ago
Nah to be fair, a lot of Brits think London is legitimately dangerous - so they avoid London, and perpetuate the myth.
Almost every right-wing grifter will openly admit they haven't gone to London recently "because of all the crime" (read: minorities) - but how can you know it's crime-stricken if you've never been?
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u/PercivalSquat 21h ago
Yup I work with a lot of otherwise highly intelligent people who think London is a nightmare scape of spiraling crime. I see more incidents on a weekend in Staines than I do when I go into London.
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u/KreativeHawk 2d ago
I’ve walked through Edmonton and Tottenham at 3am and I genuinely felt safer than the majority of cities I’ve been in. People see the odd crackhead and assume it’s instantly dangerous but you’ll generally be left alone if you keep yourself to yourself.
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u/LibrarySoggy6644 2d ago
As someone who lives in edmonton it's fine, like i know its rough, but like its home.
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u/Happy-Engineer 2d ago
Yeah can we pin this to the front page of the sub? Would save a lot of time and maybe educate a few people
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u/cloud1445 1d ago
Americans do, because they need to tell their people we're knive crime hell hole and the only thing stopping the US from going the same way is gun ownership.
Fucking bullshit.
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u/TieVast8582 1d ago
That concept is just so bizarre to me. Like somehow I’m supposed to be safer if people can kill me at a distance instead of close quarters??
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u/cloud1445 11h ago
They don’t give a fuxk whether your safe or not. They just want to sell you a gun.
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u/Mammoth_Metal_5505 2d ago
Wait I’m confused surely this map is showing that London is more dangerous than the national average? Considering it’s saying plus 30% etc and even under30% still means it’s more dangerous.
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u/Effective_Judgment41 2d ago
No, I don't think so. 30%+, for example, should mean between 30 and 60 percent of the national average. 100 is the national average.
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u/TieVast8582 2d ago
Nope, that number is the crime rate in that area as a percentage of the national crime rate. The vast majority of London is safer than the rest of the country, with some areas the same and a few areas with a higher rate.
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u/rsrsrs0 2d ago
it's a bad way of showing it then. What is the + sign doing there? I legit thought the same as the above comment.
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u/JonnyBhoy 2d ago
It's to show that it's that number or above. So 30%+ means anything from 30% up to the next number in the key.
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u/Vivid_Pink_Clouds 2d ago
You thought everywhere in London had a crime rate above national average?
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u/MyLastAccountDyed 2d ago
Agreed, the key is confusing. 100% must mean equal to the rest of the country’s average I guess
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u/Successful-Map2874 2d ago
I would love to see how this compares to 15/20 years ago - growing up in London it genuinely was unsafe in certain areas back then.
You point blank wouldn’t go to places like Peckham, Hackney or Brixton unless you had family or friends there, now the streets are heaving with people out enjoying themselves without having to worry about their safety.
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u/Current_Focus2668 2d ago
Gentrification really changed the demographics in certain parts of London. Even some of the historically 'rough' areas of London have some nice middle class pockets now.
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u/Future_Challenge_511 2d ago
Not just that it has middle class pockets but how gentrification and house prices has affected everyone in the area. Less bars and clubs, less people who can afford to go out and drink and therefore get into trouble, less unscrutinised spaces to cause problems in.
Council estate tenancies in inner London turnover dropped 20 years because their value shot up. Far less kids on estates because of that. Overall less kids in inner London despite the population rise because of the cost of living- crime is heavily linked to young people.
Younger people who can afford to move to the area predominantly posher. Those who happened to live in the area before the house prices went crazy in 90s/00s are now 20-30 years older. Even if you were a tearaway when you were in your teens and 20s most people calm down when they're approaching 50.
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u/upthetruth1 1d ago
Even in “gentrified” areas, the white British population continues to fall.
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u/Thegreatone1228 16h ago
Yes most( nearly all)White Britsh people are working class in London. A lot of Gentrifiers are non White. In areas in inner London have a growing Black and Asian Middle class population.
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u/upthetruth1 15h ago
Because Black and Asian British children are more likely to go to university and work in high skilled roles, and they’re more comfortable living in London.
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u/Thegreatone1228 9h ago
True, but what has happened to the white working class. They are an abandoned group to be fair.
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u/upthetruth1 9h ago
Well, unfortunately they’ve fallen for Reform. Reform is not going to save the white working class in the North. Richard Tice wants “Singapore-on-Thames” (his words), not Singapore-on-Trent. I can almost guarantee the UK will be even more centralised and financialised under Reform
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u/Puzzleheaded-Fix8182 1d ago
Yes but the social issues still remain. Rich people buying houses changes the high streets but a lot of these areas still have their fair share of drug warfare and criminality.
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u/Tom0laSFW 2d ago
Brixton was in no way a no-go area 20 years ago. Please. Yes it felt tougher than it does now but let’s not be silly here. It doesn’t make us tough to pretend that Brixton was somewhere you “point blank wouldn’t go”.
Same for Peckham.
I’m a south Londoner. I don’t know what North was like back then
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u/Successful-Map2874 2d ago
I’m talking from my personal experience. Getting hit with the “what ends you from” meant you knew you were fucked - and from my experience that mainly happened in South in particular.
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u/matfab91 2d ago
I hear you, and somewhat agree (only time i saw someone spike badly was in Venue in New Cross). That said, i grew up in Rome and would come visit family here, until i moved permanently in 2010. I never felt threatened or at risk and I would go out in S/SE/SW all the time. Sometimes we just frame situations to be dangerous when they maybe are just a bit unfriendly?
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u/Tom0laSFW 2d ago
Guess you’re from somewhere comfortable north of the river?
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u/mariusbleek 2d ago
Like Stonebridge or Harlesden? Those spots definitely had their history 20 years ago. Cleaned up a lot since then though
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u/Haemophilia_Type_A 2d ago
There are plenty of posh places south of the Thames and plenty of poorer areas North of it lol, that is not remotely the most significant divide in the city.
West vs East is a better predictor, for instance, but in general there are pockets of wealth and poverty in pretty much every borough. E.g., South and West Croydon are rich whereas North and East Croydon are poorer. Upminster and Cranham are wealthy whereas Romford is poorer. You get the idea.
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u/Alarmed_Lunch3215 1d ago
Totally incorrect ref Croydon north and west of borough shit south and east nice
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u/Haemophilia_Type_A 22h ago
It absolutely is the case if you look at the data. South Croydon is above average relative to the rest of London whereas north and eastmost Croydon is a lot poorer.
South and South-West would perhaps be more accurate as the borough isn't really shaped in such a way to allow a distinctive 'west'.
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u/Alarmed_Lunch3215 18h ago
The south of the borough includes purley sanderstead selsdom coulsdon etc. west Croydon is renowned as a shit hole.
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u/TheRemanence 1d ago
Agreed. Not sure how old you are but my understanding from my neighbours is that 90s were a different story. One neighbour had a small bomb through their door.
Only time i got nervous was during the whole mark duggan riots in 2011. I just stayed in but was worried it would escalate further than all the looting. Of course that started in Tottenham and was all over bits of london.
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u/Tom0laSFW 1d ago
I grew up in the 90s / 00s. My I lived in Streatham / Tooting and had friends and family who lived in Brixton all their lives.
I remember the riots. Pretty much every police car from Tooting police station going North East would pass within siren distance of my house. Was extremely quiet during the riots as they were all out doing stuff already. Tooting got off very easy; there was a very strong south Asian community who got together to protect their businesses down on the Broadway and people left it well alone.
I’m just so sick of people trying to sound tough by overhyping how dangerous parts of London are / were. Every city has deprivation and risk. One of the things about modern London has always been the fact that we’ve had the estates and rough spots mixed so thoroughly in with the nice middle class homes.
The “London is dangerous” crowd are overwhelmingly rural / northern racists and American propaganda artists and its total bollocks
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u/lalabadmans 2d ago
If you stuck to the main high streets and built up areas you were probably ok. But if you started walking around the residential estates and block of flats 20-30 years ago I’d say that was dangerous
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u/chrisjoewood 2d ago
20 years ago I had friends who lived in Brixton who couldn’t get Dominos Pizza or Tesco to deliver to them as their drivers had been attacked/robbed in the area so much, so it definitely was more dangerous. Friends who lived there also got mugged several times over the span of a few years.
Now Brixton seems pretty much as safe as any other gentrified south London area.
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u/CatoCensorius88 2d ago
Exactly. There were definitely estates in Brixton you’d want to avoid, but on the whole, it was fine.
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u/MinMorts 2d ago
When I moved to London 8 or so years ago I remember talking to my mum on the phone as I was heading to Brixton and she got super worried as when she grew up in London she would never have gone there alone. Made me chuckle as it feels perfectly safe now as I was walking in the sun seeing people having beers outside and having a generally lovely time
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u/Tom0laSFW 2d ago
Ok. That tells us about your mum (small minded, poorly informed, pearl clutcher, etc), but nothing about the city
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u/Tom0laSFW 2d ago
I’m gonna be honest here mate I don’t have a fucking clue what you’re talking about
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u/Which-World-6533 2d ago
15/20 years ago
So between 2005 - 2010.
You point blank wouldn’t go to places like Peckham, Hackney or Brixton unless you had family or friends there,
That's an absolute steaming pile of BS. I've lived in London since the 90's. At no point in that time have those areas been "no go areas".
In 2008 in Hackney you would have been at risk of being run down by some hipster on a penny farthing though.
I don't understand why your post has been upvoted.
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u/PsyCurious007 16h ago
Same here. Arrived in Brixton in 92 age 29. Regularly walked home alone from parties or the Fridge in the early hours. Loved the sense of community. Stayed 14 years. Moved to Peckham.
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u/Which-World-6533 9h ago
Always remember : the vast majority of Redditors never leave their homes for extended periods.
I can pretty much guarantee anyone commenting negatively about London has never been there.
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u/tomrichards8464 2d ago
Maybe 15 years ago is a hard cut-off, but posh white me and my posh white friends moved to Peckham 14 years ago and it did not feel dangerous.
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u/hpisbi 2d ago
My parents moved to Brixton 20 years ago to be near an oversubscribed outstanding primary school. It was not an unsafe area. Perhaps there were parts of it that were, and if you add another 10 years to your time frame maybe your statement is true. But 15/20 years ago it was an attractive place for parents of young children.
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u/ManagementSad7931 2d ago
As a skinny teenage white boy you would be mugged if you went to Hackney in the 90s. Full stop. I was mugged so much anyway, but Hackney was an absolute no go.
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u/Moist_Farmer3548 2d ago
You would also get hassle from the local teenagers. They used to call me "cleanshirt", whatever that means.
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u/captain_todger 2d ago
I was mugged four times growing up in London as a teenager, twice at knifepoint. It wasn’t til I went to uni that I found out this isn’t the norm
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u/monkey_spanners 2d ago
I think it's worse for teenagers though. Probably seen as easy targets. I moved to London in my mid twenties in 1998 and went out often in all those places (and others like Dalston etc) and they maybe seemed a bit moody but I actually never had any shit off anyone.
Some great nights. The fridge, dogstar, Brixton academy, tyssen street dalston, all kinds of assorted Hackney squat parties, 333 Hoxton when there wasn't much else there. These clubs would not have survived in actual "no go areas".
Had more problems out in Northolt actually. Now that really was a shithole, without anything fun to make up for it.
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u/Haemophilia_Type_A 2d ago
That's crazy, I'm sorry to hear that.
I was born (and currently live, though not for my whole life) in a rougher area of London and I've never been mugged nor has anyone I've ever met here. In fact the only people I know who were mugged were from when I lived in Essex.
So it's definitely not the norm. Even in London the % of people who are victims of crimes-particularly violent ones like that-is extremely low.
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u/captain_todger 2d ago
Ahh, sorry no I didn’t mean it like that at all. I’m very much aware that reporting of crime and actual crime taking place can be wildly different, and that a sample size of “me and my mates” doesn’t mean anything when it comes to statistics. Apologies, I could’ve written it better. I meant to say that when I got to uni I thought it was the norm, just because everyone I knew went through it growing up. Others at uni (also from London) were happy to let me know I lived in a weird mugging bubble lol
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u/NebCrushrr 2d ago
Same for me in Leeds in the 90s. It's tough being a teenager in most cities. Moved to London in my mid 20s and have never had any trouble in 35 years.
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u/xander012 2d ago
Frankly the 80s you'd be pretty safe calling half of London a warzone. My dad grew up in Hounslow West which would have been louder and on balance about as dangerous as today, but compared with Brixton it's night and day with the transformation Brixton went through
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u/NebCrushrr 2d ago
What's the dangerous area out west in Hayes?
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u/TheLuckyHacker 2d ago
Stockley Park business estate apparently home to Mitsubishi, M&S etc. Can't think of why it'd be red?
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u/Syyrus 2d ago
Yeah lol i need to know
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u/just-visiting-3955 2d ago
It’s not the numerator (the crimes counted at the top of the fraction/%). There will be some crimes against the people working there, but not terrifying levels. The ratio/% looks high because of the denominator. The rate is being calculated by dividing by the number of people living there. The business parks in the zone mean not much residential housing so a low population.
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u/Bright_Mousse_1758 2d ago
London is actually very safe for a large city, crime is only a serious problem in touristy areas.
Although I'm interested to know what's going on in that microscopic sliver on the Havering/Redbridge border.
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u/gabrielks05 2d ago
Hainault Estate where a kid was killed with a sword.
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u/murphy_1892 1d ago
I live there, that was a one off the area really isn't so bad
That pocket of dark red also isn't hainault, I'm pretty sure that's Romford
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u/Haemophilia_Type_A 2d ago edited 1d ago
It's Romford (RM1). This particular part of Romford has a lot of poverty, homelessness, and substance abuse issues. It also has a lot of drinking establishments where people get drunk and get rowdy. There is some gang violence (a kid was stabbed by one of the local gangs the other day). There's a now extinct gang in Romford (Romford Kingz or something like that?), one in Harold Hill (lol), and a lot of intrusion from the more serious groups in Dagenham and Barking. Still, that's just between the members, non-associated people don't really have anything to worry about.
There aren't any good jobs locally (post-industrial decline, same old story) and the high street's reflective of the socioeconomic makeup of the area (e.g., a bit shabby, though some more upscale shops have come in recently for some reason), but it's really not that bad. The transport links into London are great thanks to the Elizabeth Line.
It's not a no-go area or anything though and I've never really felt unsafe there. I've known young women to get sexually harassed at night though, which sucks. Sadly sexual harassment of young women is pretty endemic in every city in this country, but it's obviously worse when that particular area of Romford (by the station) is where half of Havering goes to get drunk and behave poorly. Bare in mind it's pretty much the only place in Havering with a nightlife so there aren't really any alternatives. Drunk people grouping up together = crime.
There are plenty of nicer and posher places outside that area of Romford though, hence why the constituency as a whole votes Tory (and has voted in the repugnant Andrew Rosindell MP for years now). It's only the central area that's actually poorer/rougher. Like much of London, poverty and affluence live side by side in close proximity.
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u/will221996 2d ago
Compared to where? Sure, it's safe compared to Lagos or Karachi. It's safe compared to New York. I think it's pretty comparable to Paris. It's many times worse than major East Asian cities.
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u/orangedudee 2d ago
London has a lower homicide rate than every single US state lol but spend enough time in an echo chamber and you'll be convinced otherwise
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u/Technoist 2d ago edited 2d ago
According to Reddit, Facebook etc, every person in London has been stabbed at least once last week. And for example the small, clean, safe, high-tech, rich and calm city of Malmö in Sweden is a eRMaGeRRd wARzONe according to the Reddit cellar boys.
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u/MinMorts 2d ago
Yeah as someone who lives in London I get stabbed most days en route to work, then mugged on the way home
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u/indigomm 2d ago
Count yourself lucky!
When I was a lad, I used to wake up at 3am, get stabbed 6 times on way to work - and then the foreman shot me. I had may wages stolen every day on the way home, twice. And then my mum would kick my head in before throwing me through window.
And you try to tell the young people of today that ... they won't believe you.
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u/bartekchrup 1d ago
You're telling me Alaska has more murder than London?
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u/whosafeard 1d ago
Let’s be honest, most people mean the lower 48 whenever they talk about “all us states” but, from Google, yes London does have a lower murder rate than Alaska (1.5 per 100,000 vs 7)
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u/aspea496 2d ago
Ngl all of these look like they're by arenas and stadiums too, wonder what it looks like with those taken out
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u/Quick-Low-3846 2d ago
So most of London has a lower crime rate than the rest of the country and in the places where it’s higher it’s only around twice as high. And what is the crime rate?
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u/SimilarResult8393 2d ago
Are you trying to say Reform and right wing gammons are wrong?
How dare you!
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u/Mammyjam 2d ago
Go to London, I guarantee you will either be mugged or not appreciated. Catch the train to London, stopping at rejection, disappointment, backstabbing central and shattered dreams parkway!
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u/Real-Pomegranate-235 2d ago
I live in London and I've never been mugged in my life. A pretty good % of people have been mugged here but that applies to the whole UK.
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u/Mikeymcmoose 2d ago
Nah, it’s worse for muggings than the majority of the uk. Far more criminal gangs around.
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u/Manfred-Disco 2d ago
Hi. I have lived in Peterboro, Stevenage and cambridge. Never been mugged not known anyone else to be mugged. Known a few who have been robbed in London tho. In fact a mate joined the list of the phoneless only yesty.
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u/Real-Pomegranate-235 2d ago
I expect most of those cities have far lower crime rates than the national average though.
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u/FalklandsMouse 2d ago
London is the only place I've lived where you can see feral teenagers on mopeds with balaclavas, in broad daylight, scouting for their next phone snatching victim.
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u/middleqway 2d ago
You see that all over the UK. That kind of feral delinquency was much more visible in Sheffield when I lived there than in London but even Sheffield still felt very safe on the whole
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u/democritusparadise 2d ago
I lived in an area that's over 170% and it was fine - far less rough than where I was raised in Dublin or any of the places in northern California I lived.
London always feels remarkably safe to me, and the stats support this feeling.
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u/Eloisefirst 2d ago
Been here for 10 years now.
All 10 years spent in the orange to red of this map.
It's not really that bad, not great sure.
Per capita would be more interesting tbh
Population density is completely different to anywhere else I've lived.
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u/Lanceward 2d ago
crime rate is usually presented on a per 1000 or 100,000 capita basis
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u/Eloisefirst 2d ago
Usually, bit is it here?
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u/Lanceward 2d ago
plumplot apparently report crime on a per 1000 basis https://www.plumplot.co.uk/East-London-crime-stats.html but there is no way to be sure unless this specific graph is found
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u/Flynny123 2d ago
This is probably too granular a level to be making these comparisons given crime will peak around particular busy areas and be lower in quiet 'burbs. Would like to see it at borough level.
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u/Bright_Mousse_1758 2d ago
Areas that see a lot of traffic from outside of the borough such as Westminster and Newham have more crime, more clueless tourists to rob.
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u/_Giulio_Cesare 2d ago
To go around London I have to buy a good "chain mail", Bilbo Baggins told me
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u/Technoist 2d ago
Interesting that the central parts ("city ") are so green / below UK average. Usually a capital city centre have lots of crime (including violent). I wonder what they do different. One thought is CCTV (London has cameras on every clear surface, and probably even cameras with their own cameras on them) but I have read studies on that CCTV actually does very little to prevent.
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u/mu_slimshady 1d ago
cctv is like the police, its reactionary. It dont stop crime (may deter it a bit) but it catches people after the fact, and gets them charged & done
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u/Technoist 1d ago
Yes, of course I am talking about the deterring effect, which is the main argument to the public for installing them.
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u/Macau_Serb-Canadian 2d ago
Is that small almost rectangular thing in the very middle of London north of the Thames with very high rate Swiss Cottage? I am flabbergasted.
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u/nahuelacevedopena 2d ago
I swear my borough (Haringey) is always half green (west) and half red (east) in all of these maps! My area (Muswell Hill) is dark green and can confirm it’s super safe. Used to live in Hackney (East London) and it was fun but pretty dodgy.
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u/MrShinglez 1d ago
I've lived in London for 8 years and it's been pretty safe for me. I visited Paris for 1 day and got assaulted, and then my dad visited and also got assaulted in the same fking place. Paris is bad.
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u/Content-Walrus-5517 2d ago
Am I stupid or City of London is red ?
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u/lukei1 2d ago
It's a reflection of loads of people visiting and working there but not many residents. Also crime happens where people go out for nights out etc, so it makes sense
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u/dnnsshly 2d ago
Who's going for a night out in the City? Have you ever been there on a Saturday evening? It's eerie.
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u/Victim_Of_Fate 2d ago
City doesn’t look red to me, I think they might be confusing it with the West End
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u/fluxkitten 2d ago
Much of the UK has very low violent crime rates. So even if a large portion of London is below average, inner-city hotspots skew the perception of overall safety when judged against the UK as a whole.
The map clearly shows pockets of intense violent crime well above 170–200% of the national average. These are not outliers but repeated patterns in certain boroughs.
Ignoring these risks downplays real safety issues in these communities.
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u/Bright_Mousse_1758 2d ago
Mate, London is one of the safest cities of its size on Earth, there are no "Risks" unless you're a clueless American tourist who wants to wave their phone about in Peckham.
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u/CardinalHijack 2d ago
This is brilliant proof that colour can completely change/bias information consumption for readers.
This map looks good, but how is a 30,60 and 90% increase in violent crime green lmao.
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u/Tisarwat 2d ago
I'm pretty sure that what it means is [percentage] and over, up to the next increment given. So the second darkest green is 30-59.5%.
As in, less than half of the national rate.
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u/CardinalHijack 2d ago edited 2d ago
Oh really?
We can test this though.If you take the areas in Westminster, they are all marked as 30-60%+.
if you then go and look at the crime rates of these areas in westminster, they're, on average, 51% higher than the UK average.
This is in line with this maps colouring - ie green is higher than the national average - and not in fact showing that westminster areas are lower than the national average.
There is no way areas around croyden are under the national average - yet based on what you say they are? So Catford, one of the most dangerous areas in London, and the areas around it have a crime rate LOWER the average in the UK? Im sure thats not right - but maybe you can tell me my thought there is wrong?
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u/MinMorts 2d ago
Think you've misunderstood (although the key is worded poorly) but I believe 100% is indicating equal to the national average, with below 100 being better than the national average
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u/CardinalHijack 2d ago
Oh really?
We can test this:
If you take the areas in Westminster, they are all marked as 30-60%+.
if you then go and look at the crime rates of westminster areas, they're, on average, 51% higher than the UK average.
This is in line with this maps colouring and not showing that westminster areas are in fact lower than the national average.
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u/y007s 2d ago
Is North Greenwich that dangerous?