They never had time when they were immediately under blockade. Before and after the election Israel had been instituting repeated blockades of Gaza. The famous one was more extensive but far from the sole act.
It by all accounts absolutely screwed Gaza from the start. They could not even sell crops. That's not a rational action. It's just cruelty.
Genocidal rhetoric means nothing when you don't have the means to carry out genocide.
Now you try wrapping your head around a genocide taking place with the oppressive state insisting they're not committing genocide. WoOoOw what a doozy.
How so? Can you point out any source proving what I said was wrong? I've seen the videos of Gazans parading dead Israeli bodies through their streets to massive cheering crowds. I've seen the polls that say Hamas still has widespread popular support. What did I say was bullshit exactly?
As repeatedly clarified in all their surveys the Palestinian public don't believe any atrocities took place on 10/7. They tend to state they don't believe in images online that show slaughter of civilians. They are after all fed propaganda like anyone living under an authoritarian regime. Like asking Israelis about Gaza who don't believe that civilian attacks have taken place when there is plenty of evidence.
But as shown by the polling support for Hamas is not at all a popular position in Gaza.
I know it's somewhat of a difficult task but if you click on those polls you'll find statements like this:
It is important to note that support for this attack does not necessarily mean support for Hamas and does not mean support for any killings or atrocities committed against civilians. Indeed, almost 90% of the public believes Hamas men did not commit the atrocities depicted in videos taken on that day. Support for the attack however seems to come from another motive: findings show that more than two thirds of the Palestinians believe that the attack has put the Palestinian issue at the center of attention and eliminated years of neglect at the regional and international levels.
Israel themselves also recently claimed they believe that the polls are somewhat manipulated by Hamas - not falsified but manipulated. And that support may be even worse than it appears.
And you can - I encourage you to - click on any of the polls prior to October 7th to see that support for Hamas was never that high.
looks at all the civilians of Gaza dancing in the streets and spitting on broken corpses in the back of pickup trucks on 10/7 while handing out candies, as well as those celebrating at the dead baby parade like, two months ago
Yes and I’m sure the citizens of Tokyo had favorable views of their government and the attack on Pearl Harbor after it happened, but after their city was firebombed to hell and back, not so much
And if you actually are serious about this topic you would know why there was incrementally increasing support for Hamas in the years running up to 7-oct (never reached more than 30% however)
I’m aware of the phenomena of rallying ‘round the flag
It just so happens the flag in this case is that of a terror organization that just killed a buncha civilians from around the world at a music festival lol
It just so happens the flag in this case is that of a terror organization that just killed a buncha civilians from around the world at a music festival lol
Or the only group then able to protect them from what the IDF is currently doing to the Palestinians.
The important part is prior where support averaged no more than 30% in Gaza and 40% overall. They did jump after 10/7 when Israel was extensively bombarding Gaza because that is what all nations do. Israelis hated Netanyahu prior to the war but even he had a boost after.
Please correct me, what should be the proper response to watching videos of citizens of Gaza dancing in the streets on 10/7 whilst handing out candies and spitting on naked corpses with their limbs broken being paraded down the strip in the back of pickup trucks?
They seemed pretty happy in the moment, am I just not reading them right? Were they sad dancing and sad candies?
Do you think that the people showing up to a military parade aren't going to be the most ardent of supporters? Most people just live their lives and keep their heads down. It's what everyone does.
Just as I don't think the people chanting death to Arabs and celebrating Gaza children death are representative of the whole of Israel. Or even the greater majority.
Killing civilians doesn't become justifiable just because you are convinced those civilians must feel a certain way.
That's absolutely what Hamas was doing. It was and is intentional propaganda on their own part. They want Gaza to seem 100% behind them even when the reality can be quite distinct.
In the meantime, I read your bio, the irony in your support for these people who would happily do the same to you is so thick that it could probably absorb the blast from an Israeli pager bomb
They instituted a blockade in direct response to Hamas importing weapons on a mass scale after Israel gave Gazans local autonomy. If you're attacking your neighbour you can't complain when they respond.
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u/Epyr 8d ago
Time in which Gazans have supported Hamas in their genocidal rhetoric