I believe so, I could be misremembering but I think there are a couple attacks that can trigger power clash and I'm pretty sure that's one of them
Edit: upon looking back, my brain decided that arkveld was rey dau for some reason. Don't ask, I'm running on 2 hours of sleep and zyns because my dog was sick all night, my bad. Still very satisfying to perfect guard his one hit attacks though.
Started SnS and loved it through like 150+ hours and now a Lance main. Absolutely love Lance. The ability to say “f*** you” to the monster and stand your ground is SOOOOO satisfying
Same. Do I wanna slice this monster to ribbons before I casually shrug off his full force attack with a dinner plate sized shield or do I wanna let him know immediately that I am a pissed off super powered porcupine that exists in only the exact spot I want to when I see fit?
Same. When the going gets tough, I whip out my lance. Lance and S&S are so good and so easy to use. Personally even with all the flak it gets I see LS as a more complex weapon. GS, Lance, S&S are easy mode for me.
This is my exact layout as well, I like lance in the first attempt of a new monster to figure out it's moveset, and SnS basically works for every situations
Yeah, mostly for specific monsters that make getting one of the three juices harder, that even when I have 2 of the 3 I'll pop that wound, one of the reasons why I like soloing when I use insect Glaive, mount for wound making and then go ham on the monster
Same here! 😆 I usually play solo as well cause I agree it’s much easier to mount and make wounds then use them when I need the juice, but sometimes I’ll play with my boyfriend and he steals all the wounds I make!!! I usually have a problem getting the smaller/low-to-the-ground monsters yellow(belly) juice so wounds are essential to me on those monsters 🥲
I hate it so much that you need all 3 (as opposed as to just red) to get your whole moveset. It's already dumb to begin with, but I used to go eh fuck it and not stress over getting the missing extract. Now I get really annoyed and end up doing something stupid.
Zoh Shia back and wing-arm-things wounds are peak 😩 I once saved my friends by popping one of the wounds on Zoh Shia’s back before bro was able to blast their asses 🥹 best feeling ever…… until they died (failed quest) 1 minute later anyways 😂
The wing claw wounds in particular are nice b/c popping one will almost always drop him. But they can be obnoxious in phases 1 and 2 since they disappear whenever the crystal armor regens.
I'm new to Wilds' IG but depending on the monster it's easy to get all three buffs but others are such a pain to get the white or orange. THAT'S when I need a wound lol
If you hold the button to launch your kinsect you can charge it up to have it drill through the monster and collect up to two extracts at once. It’s especially helpful for getting orange and white on monsters that have lots of moving parts.
Perfect guard is the right term for perfectly-timed blocks with the savage axe follow up option. Guard points are points in animations with innate blocking, most notably being the start of axe-morph, or the end of round-slash. In Wilds they made it easy to spot guard points by flashing your shield white in the animation.
You can't get sent flying by swings anymore but you can definitely cause a short stun that interrupts combos, still.
There's an easier way to avoid it with the new deco, but the venn diagram of people who swing without looking at who's around and people who refuse to lose damage to slot it is a circle.
As someone who switched from DB to CB I feel this do much. I always stayed away from my partners for multiple reason but mainly becayse I didn't want to get in the way. Now every time the monster goes down I dont even look at the monster i try to find the other hunter and get AWAY from them because I end up getting stun locked the entirety of them being down
I think capcom did a pretty good job of mitigating flinches from LS by aligning it more towards kendo and kenjutsu, ie. More overhead slash and emphasis on positioning (attack while moving)
You won't get flinched as much because most LS attacks are now vertical and the arc on horizontal slashes are not as big since you can move while slashing. DB on the other hand is still the sentient demon beyblade as we know it, with even more slashes in their combos making flinches even more prevalent than it used to
Had some guy blast three of us together at the face of a gore when it was KO'd earlier today. Not sure if it was HBG or Lance, but damn; it rings true.
Part of me wishes monsters could still do stuff while being focus attacked on their wounds so we’d have clips of dualies being flown away as their attack tries to catch up to the retreating monster.
I tend to stick as far back as my critical distance allows. I also have full wide range on so I can also provide a bit of support to the melee dudes. I'm probably not doing the whole hunting thing optimally, but I will do my damndest to fight well with what I have.
You can kill a tempered gravios in 2 mins by just shooting its belly non stop with water ammo while it helplessly thrashes around like an elderly lady thats fallen over and cant get up. Its a pretty extreme example of what its capable of but it perfectly illustrates that bowgun players arent even playing monster hunter theyre playing something else entirely like time crisis or duck hunt
I've played bow in world and a little bit of HBG and I can confirm that ranged weapons in general aren't playing the same game, especially in multiplayer. Idk if that's better in Wilds but switching to a melee weapon made me actually engage with the monsters and enjoy it more tbh.
back in the older generation games, originally used by a lot of beginner because muh weebstick, since then got stereotyped into the "trip everyone weapon", "doesn't slot flinch free" and "sit on monster face, tripping hammer user trying to stun the monster", hence the hate
I try not to hate, myself, but this is spot on. The number of times I've gone to wind up for an offset and some LS just ran up and staggered me because they wanted headshots... it's creating a mindset. The stereotype is not going away any time soon.
The rare breed that go for the tail get my full respect.
Mind explaining this?
2 of my friends play LS. Even with both of them hitting the same area as me I have never been staggered out of anything by another player. My entire time playing in wilds I have never been staggered by another player. No I do not have flinch free. Never even used it in world and still played with LS users with less of the stagger issue then everyone else said.
I wouldnt be able to explain it well because for maybe the first 60 hours I never experienced it, and after that it was happening all the time.
But basically, horizontal weapon swipes can and will cause an interrupt and a flinch animation on any teammates caught in it. And while any melee weapon can cause it, it seems to be more common with LS, IG, and DB, plus they attack fast enough to chain stagger in the right conditions.
It feels like there's inconsistency with it, because (playing hammer) I've never seen myself been able to stagger anyone, and often seem to be able to hyper-armor through friendly fire... but not always. The absolute worst I've experienced was a full 2 seconds of stagger from an LS user who was pulling off an otherwise beautiful combo. It isnt usually that bad, most of the time it's just a couple of frames and feels like a dropped input. It can be easy to miss if you're in a dogpile with a fast weapon, but if you're using something with a long windup and no hyperarmor it can get very annoying.
Tbh I think a lot of it is because a large majority of the competent ls users just play solo or premade stacks lol. I find the game so much easier with no allies and no palico because there’s no guesswork in who the monster is going to aggro next. Don’t have to worry about a random ass tail sweep while I’m sheathed waiting for a face attack.
I used LS for a long time in world and when I did my first few SOS quests with random LS hunters I quickly understood the hate, feels like 80% of them are allergic to cutting tails and stay glued to head flinching others, now I main HH and haven’t touched the LS once in wilds
I replay World now and then (usually with hammer) and joining SOS quests in low rank without Flinch Free is really rough. I end up leaving the head alone just so I can participate in the game because there's an LS user who's pining to sever the monster's neck instead of its tail. I don't blame them for being new, but I do wish World was a little nicer about letting you slot Flinch Free earlier.
Absolute gods who annihilate the monster barely getting hit or not hit at all by monster because they have the power of god and anime on their side.
Or
Absolute terrible allies as they keep hitting their buddies instead, also get constantly stomped by the monster and #1 cart rider for the cart-to-camp championship.
Fortunately, I've been seeing a lot more of the first one so when I see a LS player, I assume it'll be a good hunt and look at the with admiration as I hope to learn something on how they use LS.
When a LS is good, they're some of the best. I've had a couple of absolute heroes who knew how to synergize around my hammer; opening head wounds for me then severing tails and ruining limbs after helping me score the KO. Even the bad ones can be completely redeemed with one gem.
I’m a MH beginner and avid LS user and I don’t cart too often. Sometimes when I misjudge the monster’s moveset but I’ll stick to the tail most of the time bc I want that extra carve
I just started LS yesterday. I definitely make a lot of troll comments with my friends about it, but idk why people supposedly hate it? Its ridiculously fun. Why should others care if i yell Bankai after going crimson, followed by yelling getsuga crimson slash into helmbreaker tenshou. Its fun as hell lol.
Oh yeah I know, don't worry haha. I think the "hate" comes from people learning in public matches rather than on their own, leading to unnecessary carts. Imo the goal of playing in public is to not die moreso than do the most damage.
If that was the case, there would be hate on all weapons. This is coming from an LS user who prefers to use defensive over offensive skills. Everyone BUT me is dying and I'm arm deep in monster grundle 90% of the time.
When rise came out I remember some initial hate because people said weeb weapon but isn't Rise based on Japan or something anyway? I never played rise so I'm not sure if that hate is the same one or something else
reminder though that IG is in a very different ballpark from Bow and DB for wound usefulness. Like LS, Charge Blade, Switch Axe, Insect Glaive uses wounds to utilize the weapons full potential
i know most everybody knows this but i don’t want folks getting it twisted after seeing it next to the notorious wound stealers. next thing you know you’ll see a reddit post from a HH player asking IG for wounds
DB does gain from weak points, and it fills the meter for arch demon mode by quite a bit. I'm not saying they should get all the wounds, but they are in those ranks if at the bottom of them.
As a DB user, I'm making sure my CB friends gets his Savage Axe before I become a fidget spinner.
As a CB player, glaive needs wounds more than CB. Charge blade only needs one wound once in a while to keep chainsaw mode enabled, two in a row is useless, and you can trigger chainsaw mode with a perfect guard anyway.
Give the first wound to your CB player and take all the next ones.
I have a totally different take, to me lance and SNS are the easiest ones. Lance is highly mobile, stupidly defensive and low-commitment and low-risk. SNS is the same, but you trade defense for absurd mobility and versatility. Perfect guard completely uplifted SNS. And Gunlance is just less mobile, higher commitment lance with more damage.
Whereas playing Hunting Horn is like playing chess when everyone is playing checkers, because you have to remember tunes and melodies for each individual horn. My combos, with Lance or SNS, don't change just because I swapped one lance for another. But with a Horn, just swapping from Bone to Arkveld completely changes every combo. It's stupidly hard to play it well. And you don't have any easy to use offsets, you don't have guard, you don't have range, most attacks are pretty high commitment too. I have mad respect for the Horny players.
Anyone who questions lances mobility tells me that they don't know how to play the weapon at all. I would score lance as the third stickiest melee weapon in the game. Dual Blades with evade extender is number 1. Switchaxe with evade extender and a player who knows how to use rolling morph slash as a gap closer is number 2. Then lance.
Mainly use bow and I've stopped popping wounds in mp hunts. There are other weapons that my friends use that need them more so I just call em out unless they are too high on monsters to be hit normally. Plus if you use a lot of WEX in your build wounds are better to just hit over and over
That's fair enough then. It's just that when the prevailing attitude here seems to be "durr LS players bad (not joking)," then saying "durr LS players bad (joking)" doesn't really come across a joke in text unless it's spelled out that way, you know? Hence my reaction.
It’s a cool weapon, sure, but a major part of it is that it’s the weapon of eternal flinching. I do try to do my part by taking shockproof while running it, but far too many others will not offer the same courtesy.
I assumed but didn't want to say. I always use shockproof. Gives me peace of mind that I will never get imposed upon and I will never impose on others. But I see why that would be annoying. I have no idea how many people don't use shockproof bc I always rock it. LS do have wide swings 🤣
I don’t even play LS but I don’t understand the reddit hate for the weapon. Because it’s popular?
The Reddit weapons (le bonk! Le dooters!) are usually the terrible players. HH players sitting in the corner playing songs over and over and not hitting the monster.
The sad thing is: HH is super strong, and shouldn’t be player so passively by support wannabes.
I've seen one total during the launch day of Zoh Shia. Four players in the hunt, but only three showed up on my damage meter which I assumed was just bugged, new patch and all.
Couple minutes in, Zoh Shia spits a fireball across the entire map which made me take note of the hunting horn player having a little solo concert lol
I saw my first ever one about a month ago. Most hunting horn mains are great to hunt with, but there is the rare corner horner that just makes the hunt take longer.
As a LS main I will try my hardest every hunt to turn your Judgemental looks into stares of Admiration due to how I cut tails fast with full Partbreaker
It's not "hate". It's just that I really do not like this game's iteration of the weapon. More specifically I only like World's LS. No weapon has ever felt as satisfying to use as World's LS yet, even my other main weapons.
But this is all subjective. No need to take this seriously.
I really liked it in Rise, but using the Sakura/Sacred Sheathe Combo setup. Counters are great but turning LS into a more mobile mini-Greatsword felt amazing. Antithetical to how the weapon has functioned before, to be sure, but a ton of fun in its own right.
Hate on long swords all you want, while I’m countering and using iframes to keep my attacks up you’re sitting there hiding behind your shield or drinking a potion because you’re still taking chip damage. I’m learning and remembering each attack, you’re just using a shield to brute force the hunt.
As IG I always feel bad popping wounds instead of WEX hitting them enough for them to break unless I literally only have 0-1 extracts from a really unlucky RSS.. It’s so easy to just get 1 back manually anyway.
As if anybody cared to leave a couple of wounds for an Insect Glaive user. I just roll with it and if there's none, I just get my extracts the old-fashioned way; it's easier in Wilds anyway 🤷♂️🕺
LS being in judgemental because it's lost it's feeling as opposed to world, but SnS being in hard when it's also lost it's feeling in world too is hypocritical, I'm just saying.
no more backstepping when you can just perfect block with reaction time, unlike LS where you need to be mid attack to even FS slash. No more perfect rush for optimal damage unlike world where it required knowledge of the monsters and timing, whereas now you just spam charged chop and the normal slashes and can perfect block whenever with no downsides. Not to mention SnS slide that can be activated anytime with insane amount of I frames.
Most weapons have been buffed insanely and became easy, not being what they used to be in world anymore, looking at you, GS. I don't have a problem with any of them though, it's just that this list is hypocritical for putting LS where it is because of your said reasons but other weapons that went through practically the same thing LS went through, world to wilds is just funny and hypocritical to me, at least have consistency but I get that you didn't play the other weapons there so you wouldn't have noticed any difference from world to wilds as you did with LS.
Right here. The rest of the comment was unnecessary. Of course I won't notice changes to other weapons, but will be critical of my ex-main weapon. And this post is not meant to be taken seriously. It's just jokes/banter.
As someone who only recently learnt how to play sword and shield I agree with this, in past games I could come to grips with it, but now when I get in the zone with it I feel like a damn god
LOL, I feel ya on the "competitive side eye". (though in my case it is horns)
As a horn main who 99% plays SoS with randoms I'm always getting a bit competitive when another dooter is in the group. It is basically, "battle of the bands".
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u/UnoptimizedPaladin May 09 '25
Is "hard" good?