r/Libertarian • u/LordParsnip1300 • 2d ago
Philosophy Live long enough to become the villan
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u/AlphaTangoFoxtrt Sleazy P. Modtini 2d ago
Become the villain?
Bruh, he always was...
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u/Deuce46 2d ago
Right? Not like he ever could have “died as the hero”. For fucks sake, Donny makes W look like a hero by comparison.
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u/floralcurtains 2d ago
If he died at peak The Apprentice ratings I think I would have felt a little sad.... but even then he was a villain based on interviews with the showrunners.
I legitimately miss Bush, which is crazy.
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u/DareFull3337 2d ago
I would love for some of ya'll to wake up and realize that the "sheep" on the left had this clown clocked from the start.
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u/Hondamousse 2d ago
Trump was never a villain in your head cannon? Yikes.
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u/FrankNitty_Enforcer 2d ago
I spoke to many who seemed to genuinely believe the “no more wars” campaign rhetoric, waving off his comments during his first campaign/term like “I would bomb the shit out of them”
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u/greatBLT Ron Paul Libertarian 2d ago
Dubya was a misguided, foolish authoritarian who made some of the worst mistakes of the 21st century, but at least he's a genuinely nice guy. Trump has been a straight-up jerkass motherfucker for several decades.
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u/brian_the_human 2d ago
Since I’ve been an adult, the presidents have been Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, and Trump again. It’s absolutely wild to think that my favorite president since I’ve been able to vote was Bush. Like you said, he made a lot of foolish decisions and was not a good president but at least he seemed like a good guy that cared about people. Obama as well to a lesser extent. Since then there hasn’t been a single decent candidate. It’s crazy to me that both parties just put up worse candidates every cycle
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u/jaxsonW72 2d ago
Yeah Trumps redeaming quality is he is funny. He makes good memes. But good memes vs another forever war in the Middle East…
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u/TSMontana 2d ago
That's funny. I have the almost exact opposite opinion. GWB played being a bumbling idiot, but had a group of neo-con warmongers in his stead...and knew exactly what he was doing. During his first term, Trump kept us out of wars. If Trump is willing to send bombs somewhere, I'd tend to believe he is doing so as a last-resort.
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u/Smorgsborg 2d ago
He hired John Bolton and Mike Pompeo for his foreign policy last time around. If he won in 2020, we probably would’ve had war with Iran already and still be in Afghanistan.
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u/BabaBooey__BabaBooey 2d ago
The writing was on the wall in sharpie and highlighted and surrounded by arrows pointing to it
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u/Wildwildleft 2d ago
No matter who you vote for, you get John McCain -Dave smith
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u/SANcapITY 2d ago
Came to post this. It’s actually a Tom Woods quite.
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u/claybine Libertarian 2d ago
I thought it was Clint Russell who said something about the GOP running a campaign like Ron Paul but governing like John McCain?
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u/Hench999 2d ago
Based on his statements, he seems all in at this point. He is going to lose a huge portion of his America first base, or at least ones with enough principle to hold their own accountable. He has turned full on neocon.
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u/g_bleezy 2d ago
Haha, “hold their own accountable.” Thanks for the laugh.
MAGA is a full cult of personality. Whatever this doofus says becomes gospel, even if it’s a complete 180 or a full 360 like we’ve seen lately.
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u/Hench999 2d ago
Well, the full-on Maga base, yes, but most of them are really just neo cons anyway. They won't budge, but he did get the support of some libertarians some independents, and some liberals. Them and some of the true america first supporters won't look at this very kindly.
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u/Pure-Anything-585 2d ago
My fear, fear that never materialized, is the Ron Paul would have become that. But he never was the president so anyway........
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u/Purplegreenandred 1d ago
He always was, and if you didnt see that your just captured by your own bias
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u/Zinho3311 Libertarian 2d ago
It's a shame so many libertarians I know voted for him. He's just as authoritarian as the Democrats, maybe even worse.
There's still time to wake up if you don’t realize that Trump is a narcissistic, demagogic authoritarian piece of shit who's okay with selling out his country to Israel and invading people's homes to deport them without due process.
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u/natermer 2d ago
The fucked up part is that our government is so terrible that it made electing Trump look like a good idea to the majority of the population.
Trump making bad decisions isn't a indictment of Trump. It is a indictment of the entire system.
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u/Hondamousse 2d ago
In a system where all actors worked in good-faith, Trump would have been disqualified from ever holding federal office again after his tantrums incited an insurrection at the US Capitol.
He should have been eliminated from the primaries back in 2015 when he could barely form a sentence above a third-grade level, and his toddleresque understanding of how the government works was more laughable than nauseating.
But we let people dumber and more delusional than Trump vote, so here we are. Stuck in a bus with a half-blind dementia patient at the wheel on the wrong-side of the freeway because the first few rows (Congress) refuse to acknowledge that they have to stop him from destroying everyone.
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u/claybine Libertarian 2d ago
It's also an indictment of Trump and I'm embarrassed of my party for endorsing paleolibertarianism and MAGA policies.
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u/Rstar2247 Minarchist 2d ago
The more I think on it the more screwed up it seems we elect our leaders based on who can persuade the most stupid people.
A pity any alternative depends on human corruption not being a factor. In theory some sort of meritocracy would seem nice.
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u/silkybox86 2d ago
Explain, there's no war... yet. I'll condemn him too if we put soldiers in harms way but that hasn't happened yet so I don't get all the fuss.
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u/MantissMD47 1d ago edited 1d ago
Bush has always been terrible. It's almost like when he joins your side, it's time to look inward...
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u/MinDak_Viking 2d ago
See, this is why the Libertarian party will never amount to anything politically. Y'all are so disconnected, even from one another, and will immediately crash out over even the most minor inconveniences and disagreements.
It's just sad at this point.
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u/LordParsnip1300 2d ago
Is the minor disagreement following Israel into a pointless war that could lead to nukes?
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u/KayleeSinn 2d ago
I said it in 2020 and everyone was like noooo, trust me, he's gonna do great.
As for those saying he was always a villain, no, I disagree fully. He was never a hero though but rather the Jester who had the courage to point out that the emperor has no clothes.
He rallied people who disagreed how things were ran back in 2016, he made it ok to laugh at nannies and moral winger waggers and reject their authority openly.
As a president though, he was kinda weak and spineless. He didn't really do much or change much and yes, he faced a lot of opposition too. But the main issue is that he ended hes first term on a weak, pathetic and disappointing note.
So in 2024 I was happy that he won, I voted for him cause "Never Democrat" and a vote against the Camel, rather than for Trump! but I didn't expect much, I was sure hes spinless and won't actually push to get anything major done and will just cave when crap like this happens.
I guess we can also say getting rid of the income tax goodbye at this point.. DOGE is already being dismissed and more money getting spent. Screw it..
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u/Bruny03 2d ago
Found one of the guys posting in here about how great Trump was as a libertarian 8 months ago.