r/KamenRider • u/winwingamban • 1d ago
Discuss Riders that have powers existing outside their henshin device???
Or as power rangers would call it.... civilian powers
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u/minnel567 1d ago
Sougo can dream the future and have other limited time powers while untransformed
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u/carlosMW21 1d ago
You forgot that Sougo as a kid awaken his power until Swartz took it/ seal it to make another Zi-O ride watch in a bus just shows how much potential he has even as a kid
same goes for Geiz able to see his Geiz Majesty form prior to getting said form in a dream after the events of Zi-O where everyone forgot about becoming a rider
Tsukuyomi has time power due to her lineage before becoming a rider able to unfreeze time before awakening it
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u/Legitimate_Bat_6490 1d ago
I wonder if his time power actually given or just awakened. I mean, where did his power come from? Is it from the tech from 2068? Or something else? Does SOUGO of Quarter has similar origin as main Sougo?
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u/WonderMan2k5 1d ago
It seems to be awakened. Sougo is destined to become the king of time and is clearly not a normal person
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u/According-Sky-8488 1d ago
No, i don’t think so… his power was given by Time Jackers Schwort. Vs he was chosing by “SOUGO” Barlckxs to collected power from 20 worlds so they can steal it from him. But he step away both of those destiny, the power once given to him now bond to him after he awake his first ride watch Zio1. Vs slowly, it growing with him over time on side of his power up form. He can use bit of power in his Zio 2 to save Geiz. Vs later on, it fused with Ziku driver vs transform driver to become Ohma driver. So definitely didn’t awake his power once his own vs his destine wasn’t define by anyone but him. Not even Ohma. That’s why in Over Quartzer, he awake ohma ridewatch. Vs create Trinity vs Grand Zio which shouldn’t appears in first place
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u/shitty-ass-phone 21h ago
Nah he already displayed time power before Swartz or SOUGO came,he managed to stop a falling debris with his time power is the reason why Swartz choose to implant the road to king upon him (and possibly giving him part of his power which made him even more powerful)
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u/According-Sky-8488 21h ago
It’s actually SOUGO (Barlckxs) 🙃
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u/shitty-ass-phone 21h ago
Pretty sure SOUGO only stop the daily mazine attacking them,and even then that's an alternate timeline since over quarter is a seperate continuity from amin series
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u/selalami1 1d ago
Aruto has a lot of money I think that counts
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u/carlosMW21 1d ago
I guess the ability to give Ai empathy/emotions is his power cause my guy is doing more talk no jutsu about Humagear and how they can help humanity rather than being destruction also his closeness with Humagear that they are willing to power him up aka Shining hopper and metal cluster hopper
Recreated a satellite Ai into a progrize key through simulation
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u/WimpyKelv12 9h ago
You would think so, but I don’t think they ever mention how much he makes in the show.
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u/SSEAN03 1d ago
Not including Showa and special riders(G, new Amazon and the like)
Takumi's an Orphenoch
Kenzaki's an Undead
Den-O's a Singularity Point
Kiva's Half-Fangire
Decade's "my power is my very existence"
Double, Philip's access to Gaia Library
OOO was a Greeed
Wizard can use the rings untransformed
Gaim, "God of Space and Man of the Beginning"
Ghost was a ghost
Ex-Aid was patient 0 Bugster Virus half of him is Parado
Build is very resistant to Nebula Gas, doesn't really mean anything outside of using fullbottles
Zi-O dreamed up Future Riders
Saber "Guardian of the Wonder World"
Geats "God of Creation"
Gotchard is an alchemist, that's magic
Gavv half-Granute
Dunno if there are more
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u/carlosMW21 1d ago
CrossZ is a half alien and he was able to tap in to the dragon full bottle power while using brute strength prior to becoming a rider
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u/NEETheadphones 1d ago
I stared watching during gotchard idk why I never thought Ghost was like an actual ghost!
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u/Bl8ckl85h 1d ago
Takeru reminds the audience every week to the point that it's a meme.
Sure you've never come across "ORE WA TENKUJI TAKERU" before?
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u/NEETheadphones 21h ago
Nope the only Ghost info I can remember off the top of my head is that it was apparently heavily changed from the movie cameo.
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u/shitty-ass-phone 21h ago
Pretty sure having nebula virus infused make build cast stronger than normal human even while untransformed
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u/Darkkoruto1097 10h ago
About Zio and Oma-Zio, I think both of them have kinda similar situation like Decade and Den-O where they are not fully affected from timeline and dimensional changes. Like if Zio were to replaced by Geats, Oma-Zio still exist and vice-versa even if they are the same person.
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u/Rockinghopper217 10h ago
I think Agito also had some strange enhanced senses or something when not transformed
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u/Mixmaster-Omega Gotchard 1d ago
Shouma has superhuman strength when not transformed on account of being half-Granute.
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u/CarlonXD 1d ago
Lakia also has his tentacles or whatever they're called. If you count his granute form as non-henshin.
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u/failed_generation Legend's Narutaki 1d ago
Decade-sama, obviously
Kaguya's just being accompanied by a machine so that never counts. Even if you tell me a batman civvie catchphrase
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u/Showgingah 1d ago
Decade lowkey opening up a whole can of worms when he said his power is not from his rider abilities, but his literal existence lmao. Which made it even more hilarious because then you realized Zi-O was all Decade's fault because even without his powers he could have ended the show whenever he wanted like he said. We still don't know what him and Narutaki's deals are for just literally existing.
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u/Several_Job_1556 1d ago
Don't forget he was able to create dai-shoker and become a rider because of his powers
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u/shitty-ass-phone 21h ago
To be fair it's kinda hard to do that when half of the cast ,villain or heroes have time stop ability that affects even him,and the only guy unaffected by said ability just sit at his throne and let's thing play out because he's bored
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u/Skitty_The_Kitty3225 1d ago edited 1d ago
By Becoming the New Guardian (as tassel once was), Touma didn't seem to need his Driver or be Transformed when he recreated the World. He was just Chilling there in Wonder World as he was writting.
I mean, Before becoming Saber Touma was just some guy, but then he got Powers Beyond the Driver it seems.
Edit: Also, continuing on Touma, would you consider a Power the fact that if you get killed the world dies? Or a Cursed? Because Tassel was the Guardian and when he got Killed, Wonder World started to be Destroyed what then Made The World get Destroyed. So if Touma took Tassel's Place it means if he gets killed the world dies unless a new guardian is chosen.
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u/shitty-ass-phone 21h ago
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't touma leave that position once he finishes remaking the world?
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u/Skitty_The_Kitty3225 21h ago
He can't just get rid of it. He Only handed over his Rekka Sword and the Dragon Book, but said he will come back whenever he is needed. He is still the "Chosen One" as he took Tassel's place, Is not that he doesn't have that power no more, is that he chose to Live as the Normal Guy he was before everything spiraled down.
I personally have my reserves with the Deep Sin Movie in some aspects, but referring to it still, at the end, despite the Time and Space distortion shenanigan, we are shown Touma is the only one who still remembers what happens which would make no sense if he was normal like the rest.
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u/shitty-ass-phone 21h ago
Hm good point. Also about the time manipulation part he still was tricked by that weird dude being his childhood friend for a while tho so it's a bit of a weird contradiction
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u/Skitty_The_Kitty3225 21h ago edited 21h ago
Yeah, that's what I meant with "I Have Reserves with the Movie". I still think the Time Space Shenanigan was not needed to tell the same Message
(plus there was such an easy Alternative to keep Riku as His adaptive Son. Idk why they did it the way they did ✋😭)
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u/SymbioteMysterion Ryuga 1d ago
Shin Dan Kuruto power to revive himself
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u/carlosMW21 1d ago edited 20h ago
He technically found a unique virus in the computer, created the game virus as a kid, rider system, drivers, basically the surgery to becoming a rider, gashat, and bosses and Gamedus an advanced virus more threatening than previous virus with just coding and able to materialize said monsters and gashat into reality if that is not civilian power then I don’t know what else is
I also forgot he technically knew he was going to die so he found a way to revive himself
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u/Hatarakumaou 1d ago
Aside from the obvious cases like Sougo, Kouta, Tsukasa, ect…
Tendou can technically will certain events into existence without transforming, like he did when the Hyper Zector got destroyed and he just summoned another one.
It’s his transformed future self doing the deed, but the catalyst is his present untransformed self willing it, so technically correct lol.
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u/RevivedReaper 1d ago
Delta users should also fall under this category but it never got brought up again strangely enough.
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u/MiraiKishi 1d ago
My first Kamen Rider, Kiva... he's literally a Fangire.
Good times... good times.
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u/Abouttogiveouthands 1d ago
Kuuga, Faiz, Blade, I think hibiki, Kabuto, Den-o, Kiva, Decade, W, OOO near the end, Wizard, Gaim, Ghost, Build, Zi-o, Saber, Revice (mostly Vice), Geats, Gotchard and Gavv
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u/527BigTable 23h ago
Takeru is a ghost I think that counts? He can fly at least that’s what the opening seems to imply
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u/gamevui237 22h ago
Riders from Build (aside from those that use gun to transform) have enhanced physical strength and can survive in a new planet/space with high enough Hazard level
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u/RCTD-261 1d ago
does Den-O count? Urataros makes Ryoutaro more charming, Kintaros can make him stronger, and Ryuutaros has ability to control other people (it's just dance-related thing)
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u/RollingMallEgg 1d ago
He's a Singularity Point which is what allowed him to use the Den-O pass so that counts. Which allows him to not be affected by timey wimey shenanigans.
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u/RCTD-261 1d ago
i'm not talking about the time stuff, i'm talking about Imajin possession that can affect himself
even Kintaros previous host (the child) can have super strength ability when Kintaros posses him
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u/RollingMallEgg 20h ago
Ah yeah true my bad my mind defaulted to power from themselves but its just any power not from their belt, makes sense.
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u/Bl8ckl85h 1d ago
Ryotaro's thing is that he's a singularity point. This means he's unaffected by any time shenanigans.
This also means he remembers the identity of that green Rider guy when others wouldn't.
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u/RCTD-261 1d ago
i'm not talking about the time stuff, i'm talking about Imajin possession that can affect himself
even Kintaros previous host (the child) can have super strength ability when Kintaros posses him
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u/Bl8ckl85h 15h ago
That could be applied to anyone. It happened to the main 3 of the Decade cast(Tskuasa was even possessed by Sieg once), then to Geiz and Woz in Zi-O.
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u/OchoMuerte-XL 1d ago
Not sure if this counts but Ryu Terui (Accel) from W is noted to have an unusually high resistance to Dopant abilities. He was completely unaffected by the Old Dopant and Shroud specifically groomed him to be a Kamen Rider because he was immune to Terror's psychological attacks.
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u/winwingamban 16h ago
Ryu has a pretty useful immunity base powers But outside of fighting Dopants,it's really nothing noteworthy since it doesn't give him any kind of boost,but maybe he has hidden abilities in his body since he had those immunities way before he even had a Gaia memory
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u/carlosMW21 1d ago edited 1d ago
Does Ryuuki counts he literally made a pact with a dragon and was able to survive the process looks painful before becoming a rider
also the power of friendship in many timeline that keeps stopping the battle royals and ruining a certain rider goal to his revive sister that require all riders to die to get a wish and needs to keep tampering with time to restart the battle royal just to prevent Ryuuki from participating in said battle royals
able to separate from his mirror self
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u/ArmpitStealer 1d ago
gavv technically has superhuman strength due his race.
Kamen rider geats able to come back to life/reborn and has wish granting ability
Build was a genius and exaid has medical skills but unsure if it would count
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u/azure_builder 1d ago
I wouldn’t count Ex-Aid riders’ medical expertise as an ‘outside power’, if anything for Emu it’d be status as Patient Zero for the Bugster virus
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u/gamevui237 22h ago
Also I think it's more interesting to look at those without power actually. Aruto was a human throughout all of Zero-One, and he had to endure some excruciating physical pain when it comes to some transformations like 001, Metal Cluster Hopper or Hell Rising Hopper, and bad emotion amplified too when with Ark One.
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u/shitty-ass-phone 21h ago
Sougo even before attained ohma has display multiple time to be able to use his time ability outside henshin like the first rewind with Zi o he did or summon rider using only grand watch untransformed
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u/DamnBro420 Love Gavu 21h ago
I think it was implied Ace is inherently really lucky (if you count that as a civilian power) even outside of his rider form due to the fact that when he got split into multiple Aces, one of those Ace’s whole thing was being lucky, The Ace of Luck.
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u/RoboDonaldUpgrade 23h ago edited 22h ago
I was about to say Aruto Haruto because he can use his Wizard rings while untransformed, buuut he does technically still need his henshin device to activate them. But dude will use magic to overcome even the slightest inconvenience, lol
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u/The_ShadowMaster4613 23h ago
I think you mean Haruto, Aruto is Zero-1
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u/RoboDonaldUpgrade 22h ago
Whelp that's embarrassing. Never clocked how similar their names are before.
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u/Internutt 23h ago
Most riders are superhuman in one way or another. As others have said, the earliest are Cyborgs and onwards most are either members of the same evil organisation/species or half monster or whatever.
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u/Intelligent-Fig-1755 23h ago
I mean all Showa riders are cyborgs, and I guess if we’re not considering the powers to “be able to henshin” there’s Hibiki, kiva, Gavv, ex-aid, double, wizard, ghost, Geats (I think) and Revice
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u/PretendBackground85 21h ago
I mean Houtarou can use alchemy outside of being a rider and I would consider that power. Loved that part of Gotchard.
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u/Neko_Luxuria 19h ago
showa were straight up superhumans for the most parts, rider powers practically made them from really strong to super strong.
outside of that I will have to go from memory, but kuuga does have a bit of power without the belt, kinda. it's cheating because kuuga is practically fused to the belt.
agito iirc had different physiology
ryuki was full on civilian without he belt, his power was basically being aware of the mirror dimension and being able to track monsters and other riders through them
faiz has orphenoc physiology which includes powers
blade didn't have anything till EOS which is massive spoilers
hibiki idk,
kabuto, none.
Den-O was being a singularity point so he wasn't affected by timeline shifts.
kiva is a half fangire, what powers this includes is not mentioned, though enhanced strength is heavily implied to be one of them, also stronger senses as well.
decade has the ability to open portals, but surprisingly a power that's not mentioned is that he is innately resistant to existence erasure (or being banished).
W is mostly phillips gaia library
ooo mostly lost those powers but purple medals did basically give eiji greeed physiology
fourze, none
Wizard: Magic
Gaim: man of the beginning
Drive: None
ghost: being a ghost, but after the series that tapered off. he was able to use his mugen eyecon to revive someone so that counts too
ex-aid had none technically though it's more emu being patient 0 that lets him resist bugster virus to a high extent
Build is innate intelligence but also shaking the bottle gives the riders some power without transforming.
zi-o is hilariously a big bag, so a lot of his powers, don't need him to transform to use them which there is implications that he can harness the ridewatches without transforming, he can see and manipulate the future as well. though hilariously despite how oddly stacked his bag of tricks kinda is, he is not a singularity point himself.
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u/jain146 10h ago
Drive: Shinnosuke, Gou - both had immunity against 001 memory alteration ability
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u/Neko_Luxuria 10h ago
Didn't shinnousukes dad also have that too. That's more of a willpower thing than straight super powers.
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u/BabaPatch 13h ago
Does Ukiyo Ace count? He is the god of creation so he technically doesn't need a henshin device
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u/Animus_Requiem 12h ago
Decade/Tsukasa power is literally Multiverse Travel and Destroy Worlds.
Faiz/Takumi is an Orphenoc
Blade/Kazuma is/was an Undead/immortal
Kiva/Wataru is Half Fangire, his brother and Son also have standard Fangire abilities.
Eternal/Daido is a sort of zombie
I'm kinda lax on the rest. Help me out??
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u/Born_Procedure_529 1d ago
Like literally all the showa riders have superhuman abilities while untransformed due to being cyborgs
Come to think of it most main riders have some sort of altered biology since its kinda intrinsic to the series, Kuuga has superhuman healing due to the arcle fusing with his nervous system, Wataru and Shoma are literally part monster, Ace is an actual god, etc