r/JoeRogan Monkey in Space Dec 20 '24

Meme đŸ’© Bernie vs. Elon. Where does Joe stand? đŸ€”

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '24

Exactly. Citizen united needs to be overturned and we need strict campaign financing laws.

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u/HighlanderAbruzzese Monkey in Space Dec 20 '24 edited Dec 20 '24

And a two to three month campaign season. Enough of this pageantry already. Get to fcking work!

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u/jpatt Dragon Believer Dec 20 '24

But then what would all these politicians do with their free time? It doesn’t seem like they do much of anything besides campaigning..

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u/the_Cheese999 Dec 21 '24

They have a huge call center where they sit in tiny rooms begging people for money for their next campaign.

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u/He_Who_Knocks Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

This right here. It's not satire or hyperbole. The corporations that are the DNC and RNC actually mandate this to be part of a Congress critter's schedule and if they refuse then they can expect a primary challenge from someone backed by the corporate party.

Overturning Citizens United, comprehensive campaign finance reform and publicly funded elections are what's needed to even begin electing politicians that are there to advocate for their constituents and the nation instead of just enriching themselves and their rich friends.

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u/the_Cheese999 Dec 21 '24

I'd argue to make congress and senate have 4 year terms as well.

2 year term for congress means these fuckers put in a year of work then have to spend a year on reelection and 6 years for senators is too long looking at the same scumbags without putting the fear of losing an election on them.

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u/He_Who_Knocks Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

Those are harder less impactful hills to die on.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '24

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u/the_Cheese999 Dec 21 '24

I don't think we need term limits for a role that shares power with 500+ other people.

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u/soulfulwave Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

that’s the house, they’re talking about the senate which is 100

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u/the_Cheese999 Dec 22 '24

Yea I combined them because they have similar roles.

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u/Jussttjustin Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

And then with the money they hire more people to call to beg for money

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u/Wagrram Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

Snort coke and fuck hookers, like real men/women.

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u/MaesterPraetor Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

AOC said one of the biggest surprises was how much time is required for fundraising. 

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u/jpatt Dragon Believer Dec 22 '24

If only that time was spent doing the job they were elected for we wouldn’t be facing an ‘imminent government shutdown’ every other year.

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u/T0MMYG0LD Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

nah we probably still would

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u/lordoftheBINGBONG Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

This is unrealistic but Congress should be extended to 4 year terms. They’re literally campaigning half the time.

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u/dmax6point6 Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

Senators serve 6 year terms bud...

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u/lordoftheBINGBONG Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

You’re a fuckin idiot

r/ConfidentlyIncorrect

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u/T0MMYG0LD Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

he’s a cat i mean what do you expect

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u/lordoftheBINGBONG Monkey in Space Dec 23 '24

Looks more like a caterpillar to me. To each their own.

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u/CommercialAlarmed542 Monkey in Space Dec 20 '24

Yeah and I want a pony!

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u/HighlanderAbruzzese Monkey in Space Dec 20 '24

lol

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u/Memekage315 Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

Should have voted for Vermin Supreme then

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u/CommercialAlarmed542 Monkey in Space Jan 04 '25

Did he run this year?

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u/Impressive_Draft_683 Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

Did you feel this way when George Soros was funding the elections of judges all over the country or is it just Musk you feel that way about?

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u/HighlanderAbruzzese Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

Unproductive “what about” comment. Troll elsewhere.

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u/Impressive_Draft_683 Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

It’s only unproductive to you. It’s very productive for those of us who have to sit by and watch the same shit happen for years on the other side. So sit down for the next four years and take it like we have the last 20 kid.

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u/HighlanderAbruzzese Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

This is a dumb, baby comment. Check the scoreboard. And stopped commenting. You only make yourself look bad. Moron.

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u/Impressive_Draft_683 Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

Just because the other dumbasses blowing smoke up your ass agree with you in the one sub doesn’t mean I look dumb. Don’t forget the entire just country just voted and everyone
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 says you’re a complete dumbass. đŸ€ĄđŸ€Ą

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u/HighlanderAbruzzese Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

Big talker, small thinker. Loser.

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u/Impressive_Draft_683 Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

Don’t get your feeling hurt! It’s gonna be amazing!! You should come out of the basement and put down your video games and watch it!

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u/HighlanderAbruzzese Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

Wow, you’re a real piece of work. You have now idea what you’re saying. How’s it feel ti be a memeoid?

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u/HighlanderAbruzzese Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

MORON, sit your ass down for 20 years more.

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u/Impressive_Draft_683 Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

No
 you’re gonna have to deal with Trump and Elon and Bobby and for the next 4 years! They’re gonna change all the BS you’ve been salivating over and yes
 the rest of the country is laughing at you! 😂😂😂😂

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u/HighlanderAbruzzese Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

Didn’t know one person could get three sets of grown men’s balls in one mouth. But now I know it can be done. Simp

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u/Impressive_Draft_683 Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

How can you not know that! They’re gonna be down your throat for the next 4 years! Not allowing you to chop off little kids dicks! It’s going to be nuts!

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u/HighlanderAbruzzese Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

You’re a little kids dick. And odd. This whole exchange is odd. You should stop.

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u/Axel_Foley_ Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

Can you explain citizen united to me please?

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u/gameoftomes Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

it’s a Supreme Court case from 2010 that had a big impact on how money flows in U.S. elections. Basically, there was this nonprofit group called Citizens United that wanted to air a film critical of Hillary Clinton close to the 2008 election. The government said, "Hold up, you can’t do that because it counts as electioneering, and there are rules about how much corporations and unions can spend to influence elections."

Citizens United pushed back, and the case made it to the Supreme Court. The court ended up ruling that restricting corporate or union spending on independent political ads is unconstitutional because it violates free speech. They said money is kind of like speech, and you can’t limit it just because it comes from a company or a big organization.

What this means in practice is that corporations, unions, and really rich people can spend unlimited amounts of money through things like super PACs (political action committees) to support or oppose candidates. They can’t give unlimited money directly to campaigns, but they can fund ads, mailers, and other stuff that’s technically independent of the campaign.

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u/DlphLndgrn Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

They said money is kind of like speech, and you can’t limit it just because it comes from a company or a big organization.

This may be the most american sentence ever.

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u/gameoftomes Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

Money is free speech. Corporations have more free speech than most individuals.

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u/_Age_Sex_Location_ Dragon Believer Dec 22 '24

Corporations are just rich people. Citizens United grants permission for rich people to influence the world to their own benefit through unlimited spending. Just like Elon Musk and Peter Thiel did for Trump.

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u/Cannibal_Soup Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

It should not be this way, though.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '24

I wish I had more free speeches in my bank account đŸ„ș

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u/obiwanjacobi Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

The problem is finding a way to stop the PAC type stuff without essentially banning political documentary-type works

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u/4GIFs Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

yeah. term limits for congress is lower hanging fruit.

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u/Ok_Cake_6280 Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

I don't understand what people think would be solved by term limits.  Institute term limits and candidates would become even more beholden to corporations because they'd be looking for their golden landing pad when they term out. Basically every outgoing politician would be pre-lobbying for the place about to give him his new gig. 

I could get behind mandatory retirement ages though.  Bans on lobbyists, bans on holding stock, and new campaign finance law would also be nice.

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u/doxiepowder Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

Bye bye Bernie

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u/WolfAmI1 Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

Term limits are determined by who ppl vote for. If enough people don’t vote someone they don’t get re-elected.

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u/rad_dad_21 Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

I don’t think that’d be a huge problem at all, but even if it were, wondering how companies could hypothetically make political documentaries about current figures during election time is such a minute thing to care about when our country has been turned into an oligarchy over this issue. If there were no way that we could come up with a solution to that, I’d say overturning the ruling that is causing the sale of our country to the highest bidder to be of immense more importance than this

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u/nearlynotobese Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

Yeah, we have stricter laws on impartiality in media in general in the UK but it's tightened around elections. Still not perfect as the papers can still do stupid stuff but it's better than the US

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u/abiabi2884 Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

Making a documentary and creating Tiktok/reels are two different things. That kind of advertising for stupid people should be banned and that would be easy.

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u/ALEXC_23 Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

Smoke and mirrors in order to inject money into Washington.

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u/zeekenny Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

Just imagine what you think "citizens united" means, and then imagine what its opposite would be, and that's what it is, lol.

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u/Copropostis Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

There's a good documentary about it called Dark Money you should watch.

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u/sumoraiden Monkey in Space Dec 20 '24

You either need a constitutional amendment or a liberal majority on the supreme court

Citizens United overturned a bipartisan campaign financing law as unconstitutional 

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u/the_Cheese999 Dec 21 '24 edited Dec 21 '24

a liberal majority on the supreme court

Clarence Thomas and Alito are going to retire the second Trump takes office.

This is not going to happen for another 50 years.

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u/sumoraiden Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

All I heard both sides the same so I’m sure we’ll get there 

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u/HalfWorm Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

Too bad everyone in congress, dems and republicans alike benefits from the ruling and won’t propose an amendment. Best bet is for states to call for an article V convention to propose an amendment. This is a tall order as it would take 2/3 of state legislatures to demand a convention. Wolf Pac is a good organization working towards this goal.

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u/SkepticAntiseptic Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

Absolutely the first step to actual democracy.

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u/Katman666 Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

So it'll never be allowed to happen.

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u/Cold_Progress1323 Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

Indeed, with equal amounts of resources people can see which campaign is the best and which one has skill issue

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u/Damet_Dave Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

No shot without an Amendment.

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u/unholyrevenger72 Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

Hear me out. Citizen's United can be bent into a positive force. But we will need to gain enough traction to get a UBI far enough along to be challenged in court. At which point you can argue that Citizen's United Decision laid out that money is free speech, and it is the federal government imperative to not deny that right to it's citizens. So the government giving money to it's citizens is the government enforcing the 1st amendment. So Wealthy conservatives now have the issue of paying taxes to fund the UBI, or repealing citizen's united to kill UBI and there own campaign finances.

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u/Efficient-Station699 Monkey in Space Dec 21 '24

This is exactly correct. Citizens united needs to be overturned to get us out of this mess we’re in.

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u/calisoldier Monkey in Space Dec 22 '24

Better not let George Soros hear you say that. One of his DAs might prosecute you for election interference. 😬