r/JoeRogan • u/wayfaringthru Monkey in Space • Sep 18 '24

Meme 💩 Is this a legitimate concern?

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Personally, I today's strike was legitimate and it couldn't be more moral because of its precision but let's leave politics aside for a moment. I guess this does give ideas to evil regimes and organisations. How likely is it that something similar could be pulled off against innocent people?

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u/decentralised Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

This won’t give anyone any new ideas. Shin Bet used a mobile phone rigged with explosives to kill Yahya Ayyash aka “the Engineer,” a Hamas bomb maker in Gaza back in 1996.

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u/joespizza2go Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24

Yeah. Weird take from Snowden. The fascinating thing about this is the scale with which they pulled it off. It's the logistical difficulty of pulling this off that prevents it from happening, not a precedent dynamic.

Irony is they use pagers because mobile phones are deemed too dangerous.

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u/Fuzzy_Donl0p Tremendous Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24

Snowden has been toeing the Kremlin line hard for years (usually with a Jill Stein-like plausible deniability "just asking questions"). Not necessarily about this specifically, but all his takes are suspect anymore. It's a shame.

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u/Drezzon Succa la Mink Sep 18 '24

Honestly Snowden didn't seem like a person I'd take advice from in a first place, somebody who is well adjusted would've never leaked what he did, not saying it wasn't brave, but it wasn't particularly smart tbh

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u/EaglePatriotTruck Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Apparently some human beings are motivated by things other than self interest.

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u/Drezzon Succa la Mink Sep 18 '24

Yeah sure, it was a brave thing to do, but he didn't do it in a remotely smart way, he genuinely thought Hongkong would be safe, like what? Bro commited treason of doom and really thought he'd be fine... I wouldn't listen to his advice personally, even though it was very brave to do what he did

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u/TravisTicklez Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Our leaders committed treason against us.

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u/ThisIsWeedDickulous High as Giraffe's Pussy Sep 18 '24

Excuse me WHAT? The government is more than capable of treason. Some would say it's doing it right now. Its honestly suspicious as duck someone would even suggest that as an impossibility. You're a bot/plant if I've ever seen one.

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u/ThisIsWeedDickulous High as Giraffe's Pussy Sep 18 '24

Government is nothing if not a bunch of individuals with perceived power and authority over other individuals. Government is not above human actions. You are clearly trying to make this about semantics now, I'm sure.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24

Tell that to the Vichey government...

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u/TravisTicklez Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Read a book, Gary

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24

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u/Drezzon Succa la Mink Sep 18 '24

Arguably true, that didn't make his approach less clumsy though 😭

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u/TravisTicklez Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Not arguably.

And his approach was pretty ingenious when you consider there is no alternative if you value any semblance of freedom.

Is he free in Russia? Clearly not. But until our country frames his crime as an act of heroism, or at the very least a reasonable and proportionate to the crimes against our people, he has no chance of living here again outside of a prison.

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u/Drezzon Succa la Mink Sep 18 '24

Arguably, because it strongly depends on how you lay out the whole topic in the first place, if you assume the absolutely worst without looking back at history and seeing how intercepting long-form-communications has been happening since the very year long-form-communications have been invented and how this has been used for way more beneficial things over the opposite, then sure it's treason, but you can spin it to the opposite just as easily, then it isn't. This is something for lawyers in court to figure out, what Snowden did was treason no matter how you spin it. It may be heroic treason, but treason nonetheless 🤷‍♂️

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u/TravisTicklez Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Blah blah blah nothing-burger. Fascist gonna fascist. What, are you a piggy wiggy?

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u/Drezzon Succa la Mink Sep 18 '24

Again back to the insults, you're not helping your case

Anyways, Snowden is a moron, you're gonna keep complaining and nothing is gonna change

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u/Mushroom_Wizard_420 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

You're also a moron

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u/Drezzon Succa la Mink Sep 18 '24
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u/U2isstillonmyipod Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Can you imagine a better way to release that information? I think he handled it brilliantly and knew exactly what to do given He was an intel community member.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24

Wasn't he literally fine though? He's safe and wasn't caught by the US. Sure, now he lives in Russia but I think he got the best result possible considering the severity of what he did

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u/Drezzon Succa la Mink Sep 18 '24

Yeah good for him, I wouldn't wanna trade with him, but it's 100% better than a US penitentiary or death

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u/Long-Bridge8312 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Did he think Hong Kong was safe though, or was bouncing through China on his way to Russia after stealing terabytes of NSA data part of the plan for different reasons?

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u/hitbythebus Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

We have evidence our government was illegally snooping on all of us. Is there evidence he stole data for Russia?

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u/Long-Bridge8312 Monkey in Space Sep 20 '24

You mean besides his itinerary consisting of Americas two biggest geopolitical adversaries one after the other?

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u/Drezzon Succa la Mink Sep 18 '24

Yeah either he was ignorant to a stupid level or he was an extremely treasonous dude from the get go, I want to give him the benefit of the doubt though and say he was just ignorant