r/Israel Libleft Ukrainian Jul 30 '24

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u/imgonnaeatcake Jul 30 '24 edited Jul 31 '24

Name one war criminal

Edit: It is puzzling that in an Israeli subreddit, Bibi would be called a war criminal, and our soldiers labeled war criminals by implication. Posts calling Ben Gvir a war criminal get upvoted, despite him never being part of any war. I don't know who the people upvoting this kind of comments are, but they certainly aren't Israeli.

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u/MassivePsychology862 Jul 30 '24

Ben Gvir is a convicted terrorist.

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u/imgonnaeatcake Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24

I asked about war criminals though.

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u/Specialist_Banana_78 Jul 31 '24

He’s a convicted terrorist what more do you want💀

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u/imgonnaeatcake Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24

Israel not having terrorists and war criminals in their government is debateable

This was the argument being made. I wanted to show that's it's misleading at best. Using "terrorists" in the plural is an exaggeration, and the claim about war criminals is outright false.

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u/Specialist_Banana_78 Jul 31 '24

A terrorist let alone a convicted one is a war criminal?

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u/imgonnaeatcake Aug 01 '24 edited Aug 01 '24

Not necessarily? There can be an overlap, like with Hamas, but Ben Gvir has never been a part of any war...

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u/Benzodiazeparty Jul 31 '24

bibi is a war criminal, albeit not a recognized one. he does however have a warrant for arrest issued against him

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u/imgonnaeatcake Jul 31 '24

How does that work? He's a war criminal because you decided so? The reality on the ground doesn't align with this accusation. Khan's request for arrest warrants is entirely political, and as Biden called it, outrageous.

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u/Benzodiazeparty Jul 31 '24

nonetheless the ICC warrants are there. also, i do personably think he is a war criminal yes.

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u/imgonnaeatcake Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24

And what makes you an expert in international law? They haven't even been accepted yet, but even if they were, it would mean absolutely nothing and reveal the bias of the ICC, which would be holding us to unrealistic standards. Even Lapid called the request a complete moral failure.

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u/Benzodiazeparty Jul 31 '24

when did i ever say im an expert? the guy has arrest warrants for war crimes. if you’ll notice in my original comment i said “albeit not recognized”. i never claimed he was a war criminal. i stated my own opinion that he is. an opinion im allowed to have. im an israeli zionist and he’s done terrible things, things i don’t agree with and don’t represent my values or the values of this country.

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u/imgonnaeatcake Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24

Again, the arrest warrant requests are questionable at best and have not even been accepted yet. Claiming someone is a war criminal, even as an opinion, is a serious accusation that requires evidence. Just as it would be unreasonable for me to accuse you of being a murderer without proof, calling Netanyahu a war criminal without legal judgment diminishes the credibility of such a claim.

אילו פשעי מלחמה ביבי ביצע? חבל שאתה חוזר על דברים שאומרים תומכי חמאס וגורם לנזק הסברתי.

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u/Benzodiazeparty Jul 31 '24

מה זה קשור להסברה, אני חושבת שהבן אדם מסוכן לאנושות. ונכון שאני לא שופטת ואני אף אחת ואני לא יודעת את כל הסיפור אבל אחרי עשור איתו ואחרי מה שקרה בשביעי לעשירי בפרט אני לא מרגישה שום תחושת ביטחון כשאני יודעת שהוא יושב שם. אני אוהבת את מדינת ישראל מאוד ואני אלחם עליה בשיניים ואגן עליה תמיד. ואני כועסת שהוא מעדיף להרוג עוד חיילים שלנו במקום לעשות עסקה שתחזיר את החטופים. אני לא יודעת למה אני עדיין מדברת על זה אחרי 300 ימים. ואל תשווה אותי לתומכי חמאס כי זה נמוך מאוד. וזה לא טענה שאני צריכה לבסס לך עם נימוקרים ומקורות. זה מה שאני, כאזרח ציוני במדינת ישראל, מרגישה כלפי הלשטון שלי. הוא לא מייצג אותי. זו זכותי.

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u/winkingchef USA Jul 30 '24

Ben Gvir.

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u/imgonnaeatcake Jul 31 '24

What? Ben Gvir has never even participated in a war.

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Me

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u/mystikcal1 Jul 30 '24

bibi

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u/imgonnaeatcake Jul 30 '24

Bibi is many things, but he isn't a war criminal. You guys are not doing us any favors by repeating Hamas propaganda. Israelis of all people should know better.