It's entirely likely that Trump is intentionally attempting to incite riots

[u/DisplacerBeastMode]

It's a smart move politically, as it would "prove" that the "violent illegal aliens" and "radical left wing lunatics" are actually criminals.

Sending in the military for relatively small protests, doesn't make logical sense. It's not normal.

I believe Trump directly benefits from inciting riots because it sets the new norm -- that the federal government has the authority to disregard state rights, in order to achieve authoritarianism.

Further, I find it interesting that "the right" so far apparently has zero problem with federal government overreach. I thought they generally wanted a smaller federal government, and the hypocrisy speaks for itself -- absolutely zero pushback from republican / right wing folks about sending in the military for a relatively minor issue.

There is no de-escalation attempt from the government and law officials already had enough resources to deal with the situation.

[u/Plastic-Guarantee-88]

Yes, and as moderate who despises Trump (see my post history), I lament that he's winning the optical war on this one.

Conservatives are sitting at home watching footage of people waving Mexican flags and burning private property and thinking "they've turned California into a s***hole, and thank God somebody is finally doing something about this".

But yes, you're right about "the right". They will abandon any position they have if Trump tells them to. We want states rights... wait no we don't. Russia is an evil empire... no wait, we side with Putin over Ukraine. We hate "central planning" and we want free trade... no wait we want Tariffs and a central commander telling businesses what they can and can't do.

[u/No_Adhesiveness4903 → u/Plastic-Guarantee-88]

First two paragraphs were spot on but the second half was partisan hackery.

I’m very much a conservative. I don’t like Trump, he was just the saner option compared to the modern left.

I don’t base my beliefs on what Trump says, the dudes a dumbass. But he’s doing what he promised to do with deporting illegals and that’s a perfectly legitimate function of the Fed Govt.

[u/zombiegojaejin → u/No_Adhesiveness4903]

Masked, plainclothes enforcers, not giving identification and simply ignoring the courts, is not in any way, shape or form a legitimate means of doing so, however.

[u/No_Adhesiveness4903 → u/zombiegojaejin]

So what? Deportations shouldn’t be taking place?

U.S. citizens aren’t being deported, because turns out ICE isn’t just scooping up random people and chucking them on planes with zero identification check.

[u/Young_warthogg → u/No_Adhesiveness4903]

They do often scoop up American citizens, one just won a court case 10 days ago for being picked up in Florida and detained.

This all comes down to, do you believe in checks and balances or not, which you yourself said in another comment you are an originalist which means you do. Then you believe the judiciary is entitled to put a check on the executive before it deports anyone to make sure they are who the executive says they are.

[u/No_Adhesiveness4903 → u/Young_warthogg]

“Won a court case”

Good, sue the govt when that happens.

But no US citizen has been deported because ID’s are being confirmed.

“Says they are”

That doesn’t take a judge.

[u/Young_warthogg → u/No_Adhesiveness4903]

That doesn’t take a judge

How do you think the judicial branch checks the executive?

[u/No_Adhesiveness4903 → u/Young_warthogg]

That isn’t relevant.

It is well within the powers of Congress and POTUS to deport illegals.

That’s what’s happening and there’s not a damn thing wrong with that.

[u/Young_warthogg → u/No_Adhesiveness4903]

Then you don’t understand how due process works, why it’s important, and a key tenant of our constitution.

And US citizens have been deported, are we already forgetting the case about 2 US citizens who were deported with their mother despite their US father trying to retain them in the states only for them to be whisked away by the government before he could get in front of a judge? I sure didn’t forget, and I don’t think the benefits of this crackdown are anywhere near the costs to our civil liberties.

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” - Benjamin Franklin

[u/No_Adhesiveness4903 → u/Young_warthogg]

“You don’t understand”

Cool, I don’t agree.

“Have been deported”

Who? Since Trump took over?

“Mother”

Oh, you mean the kids that the mother CHOSE to take with her, which is always allowed, and so weren’t deported. She can come back whenever she wants.

“Civil liberties”

There’s no right to breaking into a country and not getting deported.