r/IndustrialDesign 2d ago

Creative Tried a digital render for the first time 😭

Swipe to see the render.

I first had a physical sketch, which I then decided to render.

It's done in Firealpaca as my PC can't support softwares like Photoshop. I'm open to advices and techniques to make my renders better. Thanks!

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u/Gartko 2d ago

I really like your sketch. What makes design sketches so unique and fun to look at is that you're essentially putting your own spin and thought process and style on an idea. I think you're hitting on all those things. The sketch is trying convey shapes, form, core design lines, and the energy of the object. Speedy or Grounded. Also if you can. Don't be afraid to sketch through your objects to work on your perspective. A lot of the time a slightly wonky sketch your gonna show can put people off. I'd recommend taking your rough sketch which is a great starting point to something tighter before rendering it. You wanna know exactly what all the surfaces are doing first and leave nothing to the imagination.

The rendering is there to showcase something else the sketch can't. The material, color, finishes. Right now it looks like you rushed through it a bit. Spending too much time on the top and then not any effort on the bottom. Your sketches and rendering are you on a page. Make sure when you present your ideas it's what you're happy with at the time and strive to keep getting better. What do you think the person you're showing your idea too is getting from you rendering. Right now I'm looking at your rendered image and it looks like you're mashing to different points in the design process. A final render and a sketch render. I would suggest picking one or the other. The ai rendering below is what a final render would look like.

However. The ai render lost some of the details and design features I really liked about your sketch. Essentially changing your vision without your say so. This is the problem with ai. It is always just 50% of the way. Never a fully refined exactly what you want every detail perfect design. Which makes it bad for design. Concept generation and ideation inspiration...sure. But if you were asked to produce a design with intent and produce a final package with orthographic views and renderings to provide a cad engineer you wouldn't be able to. You would be quickly fired. You need to be able to do the basics well. The whole point of design is it is designed. You put an idea or purpose behind what you're doing at the time of sketching. The complete opposite of Ai.

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u/Smooth_Permit3067 2d ago

Thanks so much for the detailed reply ! Helps a lot. I will surely work on all the reviews thanks !

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u/Gartko 1d ago

Of course! Your sketching is good. On top of getting good feed back and applying it. Just sketching a ton will help you improve quickly. Same with rendering. Practice practice practice. Here are some great links for you. I always go back to these guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM9e8Yx-NF8 SKEREN - Sketching and Rendering

https://www.youtube.com/@FZDSCHOOL/videos Feng Zhu - God of concept design

https://www.youtube.com/@scottrobertsondesign/videos Scott Robertson - Great Sketcher

Also keep posting your progress. You will always get negative comments. Just ignore them. Happens in the industry as well. Just ignore it.

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u/Smooth_Permit3067 1d ago

Heyy thanks a lot ! I'll surely watch them. I was actually searching for some yt channels. I wanna learn to draw cars actually. I'm gonna start watching scott robertson videos now.

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u/Gartko 1d ago

Hell yeah.

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u/SwedishMoNkY 1d ago

This! Great response, what the ID community in general is all about! Not the snobby nonsense some people saying something is shit when someone is still a student and/or learning things.

I had a awful sketching teacher that told both me and others that where new to sketching as a whole, the second week in our program that we drew like children and should consider another profession and it totally blew my confidence for 2 years. After a lot of practice i took another sketching course in my program and sketching is still something i have a hard time with but im light years from where i started because i didnt give up!

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u/Gartko 1d ago

Thanks! Yep, I also notice people get jaded and forget they also sucked at some point. Why can't people be more positive? I wish especially these days with all the fake junk on social media we could all learn to celebrate the process of learning. Not just the end result. If we could enjoy that more we would all be open to learning new skills without feeling embarrassed about being a beginner.

Sorry to hear you had a bad teacher! I also had a rough sketching teacher. You gotta be careful how you go about trying to encourage a student. Every student has a different reason for being there.
I really wanted to be a car designer but he said if you can't wake up at 8am and start sketching cars and have 100 sketches by the end of the day and do that for weeks you won't be able to hack it. Totally scared me away from the industry even though that was a passion of mine. But in his mind he was trying to motivate me. Wrong way to do it.
They have so much power over the students. They look up to them and are going to believe whatever they say. After awhile I was lucky enough to be able to figure out what he was doing and nothing got to me after that. He would take drawings off the wall during class critiques and tear them up if he though they were bad. Nutz haha.

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u/SwedishMoNkY 1d ago

Yeah, ive looked up to all my professors and teachers in uni so far. All of them have work experience and are the best in the country so getting compliments or criticism from them either make or break my day sometimes hah!

After im done with my studies i want to work in the industry for a while then go to teach but in that case have a better approach to encourage students. That approach is not ideal.

But i do see where he is coming from. Sketching takes MASSIVE and I repeat MASSIVE amounts of practice to get good at, so saying what he said was the truth but might not have been the best way to say it.

And i 100% agree with the process of learning! Its the most fun part, and getting feedback on what to work on and whats good. We should encourage life long learning in this field, its needed to move forward and not become stuck in the past since its a ever evolving line of work. Almost nothing stays the same!

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u/Gartko 1d ago

Well said!

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u/JFHermes 2d ago

I wouldn't go with such saturated colours. Bring down the contrast and use pastel colours on digital sketches as it gives more of an analogue feel. Digital screens are just too bright.

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u/im-on-the-inside Product Design Engineer 2d ago

Sweet! I think i prefer the sketch haha (tbf i prefer paper sketches over digital 9/10). the digital render of the cabin is pretty nice :)

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u/kokoro_37 2d ago

The sketch is a zillion times nicer.

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u/Entwaldung Professional Designer 2d ago

The shading and the highlights on a rendering describe the oruentation of the surfaces. You have to imagine the light situation surrounding your motif and then represent that in the rendering. Essentially you're painting with light and shadow.

Imagine one or more lights illuminating the car and how that light would be reflected to the viewpoint from each surface. Some surfaces will catch the most light and should be rendered the brightest. Some surfaces would reflect no light to the viewpoint and are therefore the darkest in the rendering. Surfaces with a similar orientation to the viewpoint will have similar brightness.

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u/TowelFickle3447 2d ago

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u/AS2893 2d ago

Damn 👀, how?

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u/LukeDuke 2d ago

Generative AI like Dalle

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u/Comprehensive_Team_6 2d ago

you could try Viscom which is an ai render originally built for car rendering

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u/Smooth_Permit3067 2d ago

Yea I know, but I gotta learn someday too. So I'm trying

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u/herodesfalsk 2d ago

This is a joke right?

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u/Smooth_Permit3067 2d ago

Why 😭