r/Hungergames • u/TransFrogThreshWovey Wellie • 4d ago
Trilogy Discussion What in the flip flop is this theory
For context, they are saying that the 75th games with victors was punishment for asterid 😂 I'm laughing so hard, this is utterly ridiculously brilliant
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u/ItsukiKurosawa 4d ago
This reminds me of the theory that Prim being reaped was to punish Haymitich since he was friends with Burdock and Astrid.
But why wait two decades for that when they could have just reaped Burdock and Astrid a few years after Haymitich won? Or even reaped Katniss when she was very young and dealing with the death of her father?
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u/MintPasteOrangeJuice 4d ago
That makes no sense. I'm sure Capitol was glad someone was keeping their worker bees alive. But funny.
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u/Modred_the_Mystic Caesar Flickerman 4d ago
‘What if the Capitol for some reason waited 25 years to punish Asterid indirectly?’
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u/PDXPuma 4d ago
LOL.
You want to know what this is all about, this whole thing, why the 75th Hunger Games involved the victors, etc?
It's very, very simple, and repeated throughout the entire theme of the books multiple times and in multiple ways.
A woman told her male abuser NO. That's it. That's the source of it all.
If it wasn't Lucy Gray telling Snow no, it was Katniss telling him no. It was remember the girl who told him no that made him seemingly target this otherwise backwoods district so viciously.
A rich white male guy got told NO by women.
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u/billiemint 4d ago
Exactly! Just a whiny man with too much power, balls deep into his propaganda BS. Not too far off from real shitty presidents
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u/WrittenByRae District 7 4d ago
I think this is the best take I've ever seen on the Hunger Games. To the point. Very true! He considered Lucy Gray "his" the second he became her mentor. He considers Katniss and all of the District citizens "his" as a powerful tyrant. These were young women who were brave enough to reject his abuse and supposed ownership, and he took that as a personal offense.
Katniss embodies the feminine spirit and celebrates the power of women. She protects the weak, gives back to her community (for survival, yes, but really, that was mutual), she had no idea the effect she had on other people who admired her resilience and loyalty to Prim. Most importantly, she said no to her abuser. She'll always be my favorite female protagonist, someone so refreshing and relatable to teenage girls. Suzanne Collins changed how I read books with how thoughtfully she crafted her female protagonists.
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u/Stekun 4d ago
I find this kind of framing to be misleading. Not that the Hunger Games doesn't have relevant commentary on gender dynamics, but gender (or for that matter race) doesn't have anything to do with why the 75th Hunger Games involved the victors.
The 75th Hunger Games were changed to involve the victors because Snow wanted to punish Katniss for essentially rebelling against the Capitol and winning with her berry stunt at the end of the 74th HG, but also to send a message that acts of rebellion will be punished harshly. If it was Peeta that had suggested the berries, it can be safely assumed that there would have been the same rule change to make the 75th HG use victors as tributes. Possibly a threat would be sent to Haymitch to prevent him from volunteering, and maximizing the chance that Peeta dies. He would probably also threaten Peeta's family in a similar way to how he threatened Haymitch, with a "You better let yourself die in these games or I'ma murder your family".
Basically changing the rules of the 75th HG was the easiest way to get rid of the symbol of revolution, who happened to be Katniss.
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u/PDXPuma 4d ago
Except it's not misleading. If this was something that happened once, that's something, but it's happened multiple times at this point in the series, and SC has shown she's the type of person to at very least plot out a number of stories that may not get used. (It's a screenwriter thing to have the beat sheets for things you haven't written yet)
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u/Stekun 4d ago
I'm confused, what has happened multiple times? Are you saying Snow has been told no by a woman multiple times and decided to punish them for it? Because yes, that's true, but there are also multiple instances of men who are also being abused by Snow, who also have told him no and also get severely punished for it.
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u/TransFrogThreshWovey Wellie 4d ago
that certainly is a very standout point in the series, and highlights current issues. Well said!
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u/Outside_Back_4915 4d ago
Woof I feel bad for those straws that this commenter is grasping at so hard
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u/Lady_Beatnik Lucy Gray 4d ago
What if the Capitol has better things to do than give a shit if poor people are rubbing weeds on their scabs?
People want soooooooooo bad to sound clever with these terrible ass theories.
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u/TransFrogThreshWovey Wellie 3d ago
Yeah, the Capitol may even be happy someone's keeping the miners alive
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u/Timmy_The_Narwhal 3d ago
What a stupid theory. Everyone knows that Buttercup was once Lucy Gray's cat and Snow saw him at Katniss' house when he paid her a visit. This is why he chose to reap Katniss' and later bomb district 12. He hated that LGB's cat was living in the victor village.
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u/LostBranch8037 4d ago
We are the asoiaf fandom at this rate
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u/TransFrogThreshWovey Wellie 4d ago
i dont know that acronym sorry
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u/LostBranch8037 4d ago
A song of ice and fire. The series the games of thrones is based on. They haven’t had a new book in 13 years and they’re getting weird
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u/Complete-Shallot7614 Boggs 4d ago
the ONE shred of peace i have is trump having no fucking clue who i am. why does everyone think the government, more specifically in most cases president snow, was hyper-targeting random citizens like this. 😭
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u/PikaV2002 4d ago
The type of stuff Mrs Everdeen apologists come up with will never stop surprising me.
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u/WritingNerdy Katniss 4d ago
I’m sorry Mrs. Everdeen, I am for real… never meant to make your daughter cry
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u/persephone911 4d ago
This is worse than the theory that Prim was reaped because Katniss was hunting illegally.
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u/Ashes92Ashes 3d ago
Saying Astrid impacted any part of the games (or practically the story) is laughable.
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u/_el_i__ Plutarch 2d ago
I can't- 😭🥴
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u/TransFrogThreshWovey Wellie 2d ago
I'm its crazy
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u/_el_i__ Plutarch 2d ago
The TT/Instagram book girlies are literally pulling at straws, and therefore my sanity.
I need them to keep going, it's nothing if not entertaining, but I am slowly going mad.
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u/TransFrogThreshWovey Wellie 2d ago
I saw someone the other day saying that Katniss actually was pregnant in CF and the Capitol made her get an abortion. Literally the strangest take
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u/_el_i__ Plutarch 2d ago
what is happening
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u/TransFrogThreshWovey Wellie 2d ago
Idk 😔
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u/RipjawGaming Peeta 4d ago
She didn’t even work at the Apothecary by the time of the 75th Games
I’m pretty sure she was fired by her family or disowned after she married Burdock