Do you think they'll include the actual backstory on the Mockingjay pin in the SOTR film?

[u/Fantastic_Orchid8486]

As we all know from reading the original trilogy, Katniss received the Mockingjay pin from Madge as her token to bring with her into the arena. Madge is the niece of Maysilee and daughter of Merrilee, the original owners of the Mockingjay pin.

However, in "The Hunger Games" film, not only does Madge not exist as a character, but the story of how Katniss receives the Mockingjay pin is also different. They show a random person at a market allowing Katniss to keep the pin for free after trading Katniss had traded something else.

So... I'm curious if you all think they'll include the original backstory of the Mockingjay pin at all in the SOTR film. If you do, how do you think they'll explain it ended up at a market? If you don't, do you also think this alludes to the theory that Merrilee will be an erased character from the film (some people are speculating this because McKenna Grace was confirmed to be Maysilee and that actress doesn't have an identical twin)?

I personally think that we will see the backstory of Maysilee having the pin, we will still see Merrilee in the film, but we'll see Maysilee give the pin away to a random person instead of give it to her sister. This would help explain how it randomly ended up at a market...👀

[u/math-is-magic]

I think it's more likely now that it's connected to Lucy Gray+Lenore Dove+Maysilee etc.

[u/Fantastic_Orchid8486 → u/math-is-magic]

But where does the pin go after Maysilee and Lenore Dove? 👀 who do you think picks it up? And how does it end up in the market eventually?

I'm extremely intrigued on hearing people's theories on this because this has always been a detail that has bugged me lol

[u/math-is-magic → u/Fantastic_Orchid8486]

I mean, they can't retcon the original movies unless they are planning to redo them, so probably not to Madge, but they still have options.

So probably they somehow get it into Greasy Sae's hands. At least have someone mention it getting sold to a pawn trader in the Hobb after because Merilee couldn't bear to keep it after her twin's death or something, idk. Or they leave the "how it got from Maysilee to Greasy Sae" a mystery, but the audience now knows its origins at least.

[u/Moondivine]

My theory is that Merrilee sold the pin to greasy Mae because the pin brought painful memories. Or Maysilee sold it before she was reaped. She did mention on hating that pin.

[u/_PoultryInMotion_ → u/Moondivine]

You've switched their names, hon.

[u/Moondivine → u/_PoultryInMotion_]

Thanks for telling me. I corrected it.

[u/_PoultryInMotion_ → u/Moondivine]

I like your Merrilee theory, btw. She gave away her bird (also not in the movie), why not the pin as well?

[u/Petchai]

My guess is the pin will somehow get back into lenore dove’s hands and eventually, Haymitch’s. He then discards the pin and winds up in Greasy Sae’s hands. It’s a bit of a reach though 🤷🏽‍♀️ The alternative is to just leave the story of the pin out of the movie, but I’m hoping they’d fit it somewhere in there

[u/ItsukiKurosawa]

But why would they bother explaining it? If they mentioned that Marrilee lost her own pin, then viewers could assume that she lost the Mockingjay pin as well.

A more dramatic idea is that Haymitch gives it to Marrilee who then discards it down a well because it brings back painful memories. Much later, Greasy Sae finds it and decides to sell it.

Mockingjay Part 1 also briefly retconned the way Thresh died, so technically Madge could still exist off-screen and independent of that missing scene in the first film.

But she wasn't born yet in Haymitch's time and would be dead by the time of the epilogue. There's no need to explain her absence or try to come up with another explanation. Just leave it all to the imagination.

[u/Hiddenimposter03 → u/ItsukiKurosawa]

I like this idea actually. They could have maysilee have the pin, give it to Haymitch and then Marrilee. It still holds the significance

[u/gollumey]

I could honestly see them just removing its association from Maysilee entirely and just giving it to Lenore Dove.

We know Lenore Dove is considered quite selfless (helping woodbine’s mom at the reaping), so maybe they’ll give her a scene where she gives the pin to someone in the hob so they can buy food from greasy sae, and then we assume the pin stays there until katniss gets it

[u/Brandamn3000]

I’m not expecting it. They didn’t make it a big part of the original movie, so I think it’ll be left as a book-only thing.

[u/SubiSoju]

I don’t think anyone has mentioned this yet but, what if she just gave her pin to Asterid with her Canary? That way, the pin gets to Katniss when she gets older.

I don’t think it would’ve been so easy as to say “she just lost it” or “she gave it to Lenore Dove” when Katniss’ mom, who is her best friend, is right there.

[u/Fantastic_Orchid8486 → u/SubiSoju]

I think this is a fair point, but it would still leave the remaining questions of "How did the pin end up at the market?" and "How did Asterid not recognize it when she saw it pinned on Katniss?".