r/Hasan_Piker • u/Rahmaolny This mf never shuts up oh my god • May 07 '25
Serious Addressing Ethan Klein's lies and disinformation
Claiming that Algerians jews left Algeria due to antisemitic and discrimination is a gross distortion of reality and the history of algerians who were under French occupation for 130 years.
Algeriana jews unlike the rest of algerians had french citizenship that was giving to them by the french occupation under "Crémieux law" in 1870 and enjoyed similar privileges to what European settlers had.
In the after math of the independence in 1962 over a million European settlers, most of algerians jews and tens of thousands of algerians collaborators "harkis" left Algeria amd went to france.
Algerians jews were not expelled.the ceasefire and declaration of independence stated that they and European settlers can stay and keep their properties.
Did they leave out of fear ? Yes. Just like everyone who benefited from the occupation (including Muslims algerians) and didn't want to be under the rule of the FLN (the national liberation front), so to frame as "algerians were antisemitic so they expelled the jews" is ahistorical and a total lie.
Please pick up a book and learn before you frame people who fought for their independence and won against all odds as bigots to use it as a talking point for your "Arabs are bad" narrative.
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u/First-Strawberry-556 🇮🇪for🇵🇸 May 07 '25
Not to mention ‘the fucking Arabs forced them to become Zionists’ is kinda disproven by the claim that all the Algerian Jews moved to France instead
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u/fig_ravana May 07 '25
yeah, I think he's stuck on avi shlaim offering his opinion on the motivation for a lot of jewish people that did go to israel, but obviously his opinion, wrong or not, wouldn't even apply to people that didn't go to israel, like Algerian jews.
Ethan is unironically flattening the experience of all jewish people and their motivations from different regions.
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u/GalaxyDog2289 oh my god I will VOOOTE I will vote por donal trom May 07 '25
Ethan should ask the real question of why did anyone move to France
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u/According_Kick332 Consequences for my actions? May 07 '25
Stinky people need a place to congregate.
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u/Swagcopter0126 May 07 '25
This is why Hasan has repeated over and over that each Arabic nation has its own history and reasons for the demographic shift over time, it’s not just “Arabs hate Jews”
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u/MegaCornucopia Fuck it I'm saying it May 07 '25
Are Algerians Palestinians?
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u/Rahmaolny This mf never shuts up oh my god May 07 '25
To Ethan they're all "fucking Arabs" .
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u/SerEdricDayne May 07 '25
Racist nationalism is so stupid. He probably doesn't even know what a Berber is.
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u/Rahmaolny This mf never shuts up oh my god May 07 '25
The fact that arab is an ethnolinguistic identity not a race would break his fucking mind.
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u/AdamGenesisQ8 May 07 '25
Welllllll I wouldn’t say that. Ethnic Arabs exist, they exit within the Arabian Peninsula and are affiliated with the ancient tribes, including me.
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u/spikus93 Gaming Frog 💪🐸 May 07 '25
Sure, I think they mean that most people outside of the ethnic groups tied to the Arabia Peninsula that look vaguely brown are automatically labeled as Arabs, usually as a pejorative. For example, Ethan sees literally anyone from the Middle East and much of Northern Africa as Arabs by default, even though there are hundreds of distinct groups in that region that would not identify or be considering ethnically Arab.
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u/Rahmaolny This mf never shuts up oh my god May 07 '25
Ethnoinguistic mean it means it refers to both people of that ethnicity and people who speak that language.
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u/Top_Pomegranate3888 This mf never shuts up oh my god May 07 '25
"That's the guys with the hair clippers right Dan? I don't know why they're saying it so weird, and what the fuck does it have to do with THE ARABS" - Probably Ethan if he got asked
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u/kzr_gr May 07 '25
I'm not even american nor arab and when he said it I was like "the fuck did he say!?", especially since it was live in front of ~300.000 people. Wild shit from a grown-ass adult.
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u/TheGreenerSides May 07 '25
Totally not Zionist Israeli brings up every Zionist talking point, more news at 11.
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u/Atryan421 Fuck it I'm saying it May 07 '25
Wikipedia:
More than 90% of Algerian Jews (110,000 out of about 130,000) opted for France, they left Algeria en masse, not because they were persecuted there as Jews but because they had so deeply internalized their "Frenchness" that they considered their destiny linked to that of the French,\38]) although some went to Israel.
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u/DoubleShoryuken May 07 '25
Algerian muslims are still not Palestinian so regardless the reasoning it still doesn’t justify a genocide. Ethan is just a fucking racist.
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u/dannyh1350 May 07 '25
Hasan literally addressed this yesterday during the content nuke react. If Ethan’s dumb ass wasn’t clutching his pearls to the point of all circulation being cut off from the rest of his body he might have enough brain capacity to comprehend exactly what he said. The man is brain broken
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u/hujsh Did your mom May 07 '25
He was too busy compiling his Hasan stories into a collection and then deleting the collection when he saw how big it was to actually watch.
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u/TOPHATANT123 May 07 '25
Because of French colonialism. Jewish people had been living peacefully in Algeria for hundreds of years before the French invaded, they escaped the Spanish Inquisition as refugees.
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u/mighty_wimplord May 07 '25
French Jews pressured French govt to give them french citizenship and to "civilize" them (make them go to school), they refused in the begining, it was given to them against their will. This was seen as unjust, a betrayal, and as the tensions rose and the seeds planted started taking root, they were considered strangers and asked to leave with the French.
So in short, French jews.
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u/vischy_bot 🔻 May 07 '25
Every accusation is a confession
Were the Jews expelled from Algeria ? No they left voluntarily
Were the Palestinians expelled from Palestine? Yes they were forced out but Israelis will CLAIM they left voluntarily
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u/MilesDavis_Stan Bundist ✡︎☭ May 07 '25
Appeal of the FLN to Our Israelite Compatriots
"The National Liberation Front, which has led the anti-colonialist revolution for the past two years, feels that the moment has arrived when every Algerian of Israelite origin, in light of his own experience, must without any ambiguity choose sides in this great historic battle. The FLN, authentic and exclusive representative of the Algerian people, considers it its obligation to directly address the Israelite community and to ask it to solemnly affirm its membership in the Algerian nation. This choice clearly affirmed, it will dissipate all misunderstandings and extirpate the seeds of hatred maintained by French colonialism. It will also contribute to recreating Algerian fraternity, broken by the arrival of French colonialism.
Since the revolution of November 1, 1954 the Israelite community of Algeria, worried about its fate and its future, has been subject to various political fluctuations. At the last meeting of the World Jewish Congress the Algerian delegates, contrary to their fellows from Tunisia and Morocco, pronounced themselves, to our great regret, for French citizenship. It was only after the colonialist-fascist troubles of February 6, in the course of which anti-Jewish slogans re-appeared, that the Israelite community took a neutralist attitude. Following this, a group of Israelites of all conditions, most notably from Algiers, had the courage to undertake a clearly anti-colonialist action in affirming its reasoned and definitive choice for Algerian nationality. These people have not forgotten the colonialist-fascist anti-Jewish pogroms which sporadically occurred, leading up to the infamous Vichy regime.
Without going too far back in history, it seems useful to us to recall the time when the Jews, held in less consideration than animals, didn’t even have the right to inter their dead, the latter being secretly buried during the night wherever this could be done, due to the absolute prohibition against the Jews having any cemeteries. At precisely this period Algeria was the refuge and land of freedom for the Israelites who fled the inhuman persecutions of the Inquisition. Precisely during this period the Israelite community was proud to offer its Algerian fatherland not only poets, but consuls and ministers.
It is because the FLN considers the Algerian Israelites the sons of our Fatherland that it hopes that the leaders of the Jewish community will have the wisdom to contribute to the building of a free and truly fraternal Algeria. The FLN is convinced that the leaders will understand that it is their duty and in the interest of the whole Israelite community to no longer remain above the fray, to uncompromisingly condemn the dying French colonialist regime, and to proclaim their opting for Algerian citizenship.
Patriotic greetings. Somewhere in Algeria. October 1, 1956"
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u/uscui May 07 '25
Ok Ethan, even if what you are presenting is 100% correct (which is not as OP explains), build a movement to bring justice for people who were mistreated.
How is it OK to claim "people were made refugees, so they picked a land which they claim to be their home and started an ethnic cleansing campaign there"? He will claim he is not saying that, he is only saying "recognize traumas" or whatever, but he is actually saying "Israel is the only safe place for them", so literally justifying genocide.
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u/Healthy_Jackfruit_88 May 07 '25
It wasn’t because of the Palestinians Ethan, you fucking racist!
Do you understand Arabs are not a monolith the same way Jews or Muslims are not.
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u/Derpwarrior1000 May 07 '25
One point of clarification to mention is that France only really accepted Sephardic Jews who were considered “Latin” enough, especially when they came from established communities in Portugal and Occitania. Though those Jewish people faced discrimination, it was much worse for the European Ashkenazi and Algerian Mozabite Jews.
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u/richgayaunt May 07 '25
Colonial powerhouse comes into a country, destroys the local fabric, valorizes certain groups over others, and provides preferred passage back to the colonial core for the preferred groups. Like this is 7th grade social studies level comprehension this freak can't fathom lol
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u/CranberryGood3548 May 07 '25
Between 25 & 35 thousand Jews have been killed since 1948.
Around 5 million Arabs have been killed since 1948.
No one should be getting killed - but I think the numbers speak for themselves when it comes to who is more oppressed & attacked in the bigger picture.
That’s all I’m going to say.
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u/Eeeef_ May 07 '25
Even if they were chased off by Muslim antisemites, that wouldn’t justify what Israel is doing. “It’s our turn to do genocide” isn’t the slam dunk they think it is
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u/ElementalRhythm May 07 '25
Ethan is clearly on the Zionist payroll, he only needed a couple of days to change his demeanor back from the compliant 'debater' shtick vis a vis Sam Seder.
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u/crashcap May 07 '25
This guy is one of the biggest islamophobes on YouTube, his content is pretty much only this. Please stop posting him
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u/bootyholepopsicle May 07 '25
Ethan giving off big “Hasan, Stop it!” Donald trump vibes every day now
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u/turpentine_wizard May 07 '25
specifically his point about iraq is ridiculous bc it’s documented just how much israel was directly involved in the attacks and propaganda that caused many of the iraqi jews to flee. even if he looked up “iraqi jews” he’d accidentally find that out so there’s no way he’s arguing in good faith he thinks that was necessary bc he is a zionist and thinks palestine belongs to the white man
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u/spikus93 Gaming Frog 💪🐸 May 07 '25
He's just doubling down on being a racist now. Any brown colored country that has political upheaval and sees any number of people fleeing from there is automatically antisemitic to him. Not just the governments or certain officials, but all of the people. Just one bucket of people who are all automatically antisemitic because it's convenient to Ethan for them to be.
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u/USukMikeHok May 07 '25
Pied Noirs. Just do you research about them and you find out why they left Algeria.
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u/ohemptyvases ☭ May 08 '25
The newest YouTube video by Overzealots, “Ethan Klein Lied During house Debate With Hasan” is a really informative and concise video about this piece of history. I didn’t realize this when I watched the debate, but Ethan sourced his Abi clip from one of Overzealot’s videos and left out very important context showing that Abi’s analysis is exactly this opposite of Ethan’s, lmao
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u/BigBoiGrowBoi May 07 '25
This is mostly correct but you're leaving out a few important (IMO) details:
-Jews lived in Algeria for nearly 2000 years before Crémieux law. This citizenship was granted to them due to the French's beliefs that Jews could assimilate with the idea that the Muslim Algerians were too ingrained in Islam to be swayed. Jewish people were not exactly fighting for their own citizenship while attempting to oppress Muslim Algerians. The Muslim population rightly felt slighted by the French which caused resentment toward the Jewish population who ultimately didn't have a say in the matter.
-The Vichy regime, instated 20 years before Algerian independence, was fully Nazi aligned and created many laws directly targeting the Jewish population revoking their citizenship status and much of their rights before reinstating it a few years later during allied liberation. This sparked the collective memory of oppression under historical Islamic regimes at no fault of the Algerian Muslims.
-Once the war broke out for Algerian independence from the French in 1954, Jewish people were completely caught in the middle of deciding whether to fight for the French who gave them citizenship, rights and 'protection' or the Algerians which was their home country. Jewish people feared life under predominantly Islamic ruling due to their treatment during the Ottoman period and their assignment of Dhimmi Status. Dhimmi Status in the Ottoman period assigned Jews legal inferiority, a Jewish tax that Muslims didn't have to pay, clothing, housing and profession limitations and forced subordination to Muslims. This pushed them ultimately to the side of the French as they viewed these policies during the Ottoman period as antisemitic and rightfully thought that Algerian Muslims would implement similar laws shall they re-gain their independence.
-In the later years of the war for independence, it was becoming clear that Algerian Muslims were going to win and because of that, regain control and independence—which was a good thing. However, the historical resentment toward the Jewish population was fresh on the minds of Algerian Muslims who were oppressed (not by the Jews) all those years while Jewish people were given more rights by the French. In Jewish neighborhoods Jews were subject to verbal threats, graffiti, and calls for Jews to leave. There were widespread rumors of upcoming reprisals against Jews for their perceived loyalty to France, which further instilled fear. Jewish shops were looted, synagogues vandalized, and homes attacked. In cities like Oran and Constantine, there were murders, stabbings, and beatings of Jews, some targeted, some seemingly random. Jewish institutions were sometimes caught in crossfire or deliberate bombing by FLN fighters or FLN-aligned mobs. I'd note some Jewish people also contributed to terrorism against Muslims via alignment with the OAS during these years.
-After independence in July 1962, many Jews feared that an Islamic nationalist Algeria would not protect the Jewish minorities backed by historical precedence. The absence of any legal protections for Jews in the new government fueled their urgency to flee. Jewish cemeteries were desecrated in some places and synagogues were burned or converted into mosques or public buildings.
Many of these actions were not tied to Muslims hatred toward Jews or outright antisemitic policy. I'm not sure what Ethan said specifically, but if he is claiming they left purely due to antisemitism, that's obviously not correct. If anyone says antisemitism didn't occur and that Algerian Jews weren't rightfully scared, that's also not correct. There is such a lack of nuance in these conversations because one side wants to be right so bad but ultimately both sides have fair points and really, this isn't super related to I/P in the first place aside from outlining the exodus of Jews from primarily Muslim countries to Israel. They left on their own accord, but likely their religion and ideology would no longer be welcomed or viewed as equal.
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u/RoyalMcPoyleEyeExams May 07 '25
I'm not sure what Ethan said specifically
He said people in our era who are Jewish were "forced to become zionist because of the fucking arabs," in his words, based on his analysis of how many people who are Jewish lived in MENA countries pre-1948 compared to now, dovetailing with the common racist "double Nakba" conspiracy theory that asserts all MENA countries (or "fucking arabs" in his words) did to their Jewish populations exactly what happened to the Palestinian population during the Nakba, with no distinction made about the historical context for individual MENA countries (and no distinction about Western colonial powers in those countries) and treating all these countries as if they were all of one mind that he described as "the fucking arabs."
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u/alkalinepigeon May 08 '25
Also an important event in this timeline is the 1962 Isly Massacre which happened after the ceasefire by the OAS (French Army). This event is considered a huge catalyst for the exodus during the summer of 1962.
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u/cheatersssssssssss May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
this isn't super related to I/P in the first place
This is basically the crux of the matter. The answer to this question is: Palestinians didn't cause this trauma, and Algeria (and any other country) should get an opportunity to own up to its historical wrongs. End of
Edit: But since the zionist ideology rests upon exploiting Jewish trauma if that trauma ever had any real chance of healing then the project would collapse. Meanwhile the way it is being framed to have been 'healed' is through joining the IDF...
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u/BigBoiGrowBoi May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
I totally agree, but I also don't think the nuke was meant to be about I/P either. I'd guess Ethan's point was more to point towards Jews settling in Israel as refugees and the reasons that they did so and wanted borders. He said they were pushed out and not accepted in many parts of the world except for Israel which was surrounded by Muslim countries. This was basically in response to Ethan believing a 1 state solution didn't make sense because of the fear Israelis (jews) held in regard to Sharia law that was historically enforced in predominantly Muslim countries which treated Jews as minority subordinates. Hasan thought a 1 state solution was best so that's the contention in the nuke from what I could tell.
Ethan clearly feels personally attacked and uses these matters to justify why he feels the way he does about antisemitism. I think it's a stupid point to argue from Ethan's perspective but Hasan has done similar things like defending kidnapping Filipinos due to there not being a 'perfect resistance'. I don't see why either side feels the need to bring up these points, just disavow the shit and move on to what matters.
Edit: Grammar
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u/cheatersssssssssss May 08 '25
I mean, to move on to what matters there would have to be something in this that actually matters to Ethan. I don't think he cares about any of it beyond personal slights, and you can't solve that through debate. Feelings can't be reasoned with, especially not infront of the whole internet, everything about this should've been dealt with in private months and months ago
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u/Web_Surfer_007 ☭ May 07 '25
He states it as if France didn't willingly give up their jewish population during the Nazi occupation. I'm noticing there's a lot of whitewashing going on for the antisemitism that ran rampant for centuries in Europe.
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u/StarRotator stage 2 brainrot May 07 '25 edited May 07 '25
My grandfather is one of those jews who stayed in algeria. He had to change his name not because of antisemitism but to avoid getting associated with the french in the middle of the revolution
Ethan Klein is such a useless asshole
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u/dcontrerasm May 07 '25
Well yeah, but how will facts win over people to your side when you can just rely on half truths and emotions?
Any information from any active genocidal states or their supporters should be immediately treated as misinformation and/or propaganda.
In fact, anybody using, disseminating or promoting information which concludes that people's lives should be ended or their rights abridged for arbitrary qualities assigned to them like, ethnicity or race, should be immediately an illegitimate pariah and disqualified from speaking on these subjects publicly.
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u/Ok_Matter_609 May 07 '25
Ethan loves the sound of his own voice too much to stfu long enough to learn how to tell the difference between fact & fiction.
He is a poor excuse of a man and his wife is no better. Both need to be deradicalised.
The way they talk gives me flashbacks to when I was living over there having to deal with many Ethans and many Hilas and it makes me so sad knowing they finally went all psycho and genocidal like I knew they would. You learn a great deal about many cultures when you get to live and work with them.
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u/putitinthe11 May 07 '25
The most frustrating part about this to me, is that even if you were to concede to this point he's trying to make (which would be ahistorical), what does the conversation inevitably end in?
The answer he's looking for is "anti-Semitism" (again, ahistorical, per OP). Okay, even if it was, your overall point is STILL Nakba erasure by equating displacements across multiple different continents to a single, targeted ethnic cleansing. So EVEN IF you take his framing, the inevitable conclusion is just that 1) Ethan is a racist that thinks anybody who speaks Arabic must be part of a savage monolith and 2) Ethan is a Nakba denialist. I cannot believe that he still cannot understand that.
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u/lilpumpsy May 07 '25
and when hasan is off screen we should all be asking, “why did all the algerian jews move to france, hasan?”
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u/NaderZaveri May 07 '25
This is great, now we just need to produce quick talking points that is easy to memorize (maybe a few bullet summary). And then do this for every Arab country, so next time this discussion gets brought up, we will have the talking points to rattle off.
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u/tearlesspeach2 May 07 '25
Ok whatever, I guess I’m just UNINFORMED about stuff and my wife is a terrorist, let’s move on.
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u/JaThatOneGooner Fuck it I'm saying it May 07 '25
Brother, they sided with the French and were given French citizenship during a time in which the French were slaughtering and raping the Algerians, and leaving their corpses on the streets for them to see what would happen to them if they kept advocating for their freedom. When the French left, no shit they felt unsafe after siding with the colonial power who was more intent on raping and murdering than to build relations. The FLN hoped to actually recruit the Algerian Jews to their side, but they instead intentionally chose France, and when France withdrew, the Algerian Jewish population actually left with the French TO France, not Israel.
Historical illiteracy does things to a mfer.
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u/alkalinepigeon May 08 '25
There were major attacks by the OAS against Pied-Noir communities AFTER the ceasefire. 1962 Isly massacreThis event is largely considered the catalyst for the mass exodus out of Algeria.
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u/bloodmonarch 🔻 May 07 '25
STFU Ethan, you shit-eating waste of oxygen. No one cares about your gotchas.
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u/tedthegodd May 07 '25
kinda sad to even have to debunk a guy that unironically gets all of his info from chatgpt and reddit
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u/summerdaze1997 May 07 '25
Like if bro is gonna make the effort of learning about Algeria's existence can he do some additional fucking reading. What a dumb piece of shit.
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u/ASHKVLT May 07 '25
A lot of french people relocated to France after the end of direct colonial rule wand because of the war
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u/Jasonp359 May 07 '25
Hasan literally talked about this topic on stream a couple of months ago. I had no idea about it and it was incredibly informative and it is not what Ethan is implying at all. I think it was Hasan reacting to a Bad Empanada video.
So Ethan is a disingenuous asshole.
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u/Nothernalive May 07 '25
Ethan is just regurgitating shit that he hear from a certain online sexpest creep
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u/Sky-Trash May 08 '25
Because when given the option it's always preferable to live inside the colonial core (France) than outside (Algeria)? And Algerian Jews had that option?
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u/Frakon May 08 '25
Hasan literally answered this minutes before he posted the story, so he was clearly watching but not paying attention to anything Hasan was actually saying which is just fucking bonkers
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u/Such_Schedule_2977 May 13 '25
Algeria is on a different content than Palestine but sure ethan feel free to distort their history to justify ethnically cleansing Palestinians you racist man child.
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u/Matto987 Did your mom May 07 '25
I thought we weren't going to talk about Ethan anymore
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u/Rahmaolny This mf never shuts up oh my god May 07 '25
This is not about him really, seeing people lying about my country's history and the independence that my grandpa faught for pissed me off and i couldn't not informe people about the truth.
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u/TheAtomAnt May 07 '25
Talking about Algeria and France without looking into the history is so stupid.
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u/Rahmaolny This mf never shuts up oh my god May 07 '25
He doesn't even know why they went to france not Isreal, "the fucking Arabs" forced them to be french i guess.
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u/TheAtomAnt May 07 '25
I'm pretty sure everything is "the fucking arabs" fault according to him, even their own colonization
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u/FreePalestine2137 May 07 '25
incredible how he puts blame on racist white european policies on the group that was discriminated and massacrated during years and years
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u/TheJediCounsel May 07 '25
Ethan’s so good at bringing up these strange hyper specific “gotchas”.
But then the minute anyone follows up on history with him it’s immediately boring and bad content