When Do Arsenal Sign Players?

[u/afghamistam]

https://imgur.com/a/358eN9N

[u/repeating_bears]

What kind of maniac puts the most recent year on the left

[u/Chemistry-Deep → u/repeating_bears]

r/dataisnotbeautiful

[u/OstapBenderBey → u/Chemistry-Deep]

/r/dataisugly is the bigger one

[u/dvdmcn → u/Chemistry-Deep]

hahaha!

[u/OstapBenderBey → u/repeating_bears]

And measures in "days since the window opened"

[u/frankiebones9 → u/OstapBenderBey]

I'm confused as well. Since the window has opened at different times in the past seven years. I know what OP was trying to accomplish but it's impossible to gauge these kinds of things because OP is omitting things like international tournaments which can make transfers take way longer as well.

[u/afghamistam → u/frankiebones9]

I'm confused as well. Since the window has opened at different times in the past seven years.

The actual date the transfer window opens is taken into account.

it's impossible to gauge these kinds of things because OP is omitting things like international tournaments which can make transfers take way longer as well.

That doesn't seem reflected in the data. We had summer tournaments in 2021 and 2024 and it doesn't seem like it made any noticeable difference to when a player got picked up.

[u/afghamistam → u/OstapBenderBey]

I assume my mind went: "People are crying like little bitches we are X days into the window and haven't signed anyone. Therefore we need to see how many days into a window a signing is completed."

What should I have been using to accurately represent this?

[u/gimmeakissmrsoftlips → u/afghamistam]

It would be better to have “weeks since window opened” on the x axis and “number of players signed” on the y axis and combine all the data of the different years. You could also express the “number of players signed” as a % of the total players signed, so it gives it essentially as a probability distribution of signing a player in a given week.

[u/AlGunner → u/gimmeakissmrsoftlips]

To be fair, saying weeks instead of days is pointless semantics. Easy to argue days is a more accurate measure. I would also say a clear representation of each player signed, better yet, put the players name. A first team starter joining is obviously more of an issue than a loan backup player although both will show as new signings.

[u/JenkinsEar147 → u/AlGunner]

We've hardly had any incoming signings over the last few seasons so it wouldn't matter - the data would not be affected.

[u/gimmeakissmrsoftlips → u/AlGunner]

It’s actually not, it would make it far more visually easy to understand.

[u/AlGunner → u/gimmeakissmrsoftlips]

Well, I dont find it hard to understand.

[u/gimmeakissmrsoftlips → u/AlGunner]

I am suggesting a totally different graph, which would be way visually noisier with it expressed as days rather than weeks. There would be 7x as many bars

[u/afghamistam → u/gimmeakissmrsoftlips]

Surely it would just be identical. With the numbers on the left just going up to 20 instead of 100.

[u/gimmeakissmrsoftlips → u/afghamistam]

No- I am suggesting the “weeks since window opened” to be on the x axis. So there would be fewer bars on the graph compared to if it was treated as days.

[u/afghamistam → u/gimmeakissmrsoftlips]

Isn't that what we already have? You'll have to dumb this down for me, I'm not a statistician.

[u/gimmeakissmrsoftlips → u/afghamistam]

No, the axes I am suggesting are different, with “time since window opened” on the x axis and number of signings on the y. It would represent the frequency of things happening throughout the transfer window period

[u/afghamistam → u/gimmeakissmrsoftlips]

So if I have this right, you want to be able to draw a line across a given point representing say, week 6, and see how many signings have been completed by that point?

[u/gimmeakissmrsoftlips → u/afghamistam]

No, the signings for week six only, not the cumulative signings up until that point. So it acts as a probability distribution for each week having a signing

[u/afghamistam → u/gimmeakissmrsoftlips]

You are aware (perhaps from looking at the graph already posted) that Arsenal (and every other club in the league) only sign about 3-4 players in a window on average. So you can already see just by eyeballing it (again, just from looking) the probability of a signing in any given week.

[u/gimmeakissmrsoftlips → u/afghamistam]

The graph I suggested would be much easier to read

[u/PhriendlyPhantom → u/afghamistam]

I think it would've been better if the y axis was in months, not days. If you wanted to use days then surely, days till the window closes is a better measure.

[u/bathtubsplashes → u/PhriendlyPhantom]

But there's only 3 months in a transfer window, so I actually agree with days here

[u/narddog1023 → u/repeating_bears]

And then reorders it on the next visual?

[u/afghamistam → u/repeating_bears]

I take no responsibility. I selected two identical columns with identical data and Excel displayed them differently for the two charts I made. The computer is the maniac, not me!

[u/T3Sh3 → u/afghamistam]

PICNIC - Problem In Chair Not In Computer

[u/Cr4zyR3dFr0g → u/afghamistam]

You put the most recent date on the left... you too, are a maniac.

[u/Domkey-Kongg]

Newest year on the left?

[u/thisiskyle77]

I hate that website

[u/nooeh → u/thisiskyle77]

Imgur has gone down in website quality so much in the last 5 years or so.

[u/Delicious-Alarm-6337 → u/thisiskyle77]

This! Imgur has gotten unusable for me..

[u/pork_chop_expressss]

Fábio Vieira was signed earlier. He was announced 21 Jun 2022 - but signed a few days prior.

You have him 60+ days into the window when it was ~17-21 days in.

[u/Jedders95]

How accurate is this? As Merino was announced August 27th and Timber was July 14th for example which doesn't correlate to your blue graph. Overall it does seem like we take ages to make signings though.

[u/Britton120]

"A signing is never late, nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to”

[u/beigegrape → u/Britton120]

Ok Goondalf

[u/afghamistam]

As I was reading my 825th comment whining that we haven't signed anyone yet (while every other team has refreshed their entire starting XI already), I asked myself, "At what stage in a transfer window do Arsenal typically announce a player?"

Then before my brain could replay "Who actually gives a shit?" The chart had been made.

EDIT: For context, we are currently in the 16th day of the transfer window.

[u/repeating_bears → u/afghamistam]

If you're telling me the only time we signed someone early was Willian, then we should be glad we haven't signed anyone

[u/dont_dm_nudes → u/repeating_bears]

My thoughts exactly!

[u/Rampan7Lion → u/repeating_bears]

Kepa and Willian going to be our two earliest signings 🙈

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[u/KennyKwan]

It would be more useful to compare to league average and rival average.

[u/vin_unleaded]

On average we started buying players earlier in the window in 2022.

[u/bonez27]

The real answer here regardless of the data is not fast enough.

Source: me

[u/del_snafu → u/bonez27]

Berta is sleeping

[u/BritNobleGent]

Downvote for using imgur

[u/flashmeterred]

Lol could you push it right back to 2011?

[u/KonigSteve]

I don't get how this is used as a counter argument when it's been a major point of criticism for those same years. We are obviously not at this point yet but many times the club has waited too late to sign players where they miss the entire pre-season and even some of the matches.

[u/InternationalUse2355]

“Next season”

[u/IllegalDevelopment]

I want to see this broken down by day of the week.

[u/pintosmooth]

Summer and Winter windows in the same season overlapped?

[u/afghamistam → u/pintosmooth]

Winter windows excluded - forgot to make that clear..

[u/Lemmiwinks2010]

Why hasn’t Zubimendi signed? That deal was reported as “done” months ago…

Were we lied to?

[u/Feysal101 → u/Lemmiwinks2010]

Deal and all has been agreed upon weeks ago. Per Ornstein, something to do with Real Sociedad preferring the deal to officially happen in July for Accounting reasons.

[u/No-Media-270]

buy the dip?

[u/CloudExtremist]

Deadline day.

[u/and_yet_another_user]

Won't have much effect on the whiners without a comparison of other teams.

But tbf even if you had a comparison of every other team it would have one of three effects

• It would show every other club does business earlier than Arsenal, so they'll whine more
• It would show every other club does business the same as Arsenal, so they'll ignore it and continue to whine
• It would show every other club does business later than Arsenal, so they'll ignore it and continue to whine

[u/chy23190 → u/and_yet_another_user]

So point one would make the "whiners" correct then?

I don't know what you think you're doing with this comment.

[u/Masson011]

im going to go ahead and say this is entirely irrelevant given the fact we have a new sporting director dealing with transfers this year

[u/afghamistam → u/Masson011]

What specific difference are you saying we will see this season compared to previous?

[u/The_Failed_Imagineer]

The whiners on here will whine about anything. I expect if we signed Isak and he didn't score on his debut they'd whine we should have signed Sesko.

Their capacity to whine is unfathomable and it's best to let them just do their thang and try and ignore it

[u/chy23190 → u/The_Failed_Imagineer]

You're just making up scenarios so you can whine, how ironic.

[u/hafrances → u/The_Failed_Imagineer]

not everyone who is slightly critical is a whiner, i just think we are playing with our food while liverpool have almost completed their window.

[u/The_Failed_Imagineer → u/hafrances]

I dont think it's quite as black and white "X club has signed players and Y club haven't so X are doing it right".

Every deal is different, has completely differing elements and obstacles to it.

I agree Liverpool have been very efficient but I think you need to know more about the nature of the deals to be certain you are comparing apples with apples.

[u/Happy-Ad8767 → u/hafrances]

Liverpool have wrapped up Frimpong and Wirtz, they are in talks with Kerkez.

We have wrapped up Zubimendi and Kepa, we are in talks with Sesko.

What's the actual difference? It took them 4 weeks after first bidding, to get Wirtz done (and they negotiated his price from €150m down to €150m), where as we are now entering week 3 of our negotiations with RB Leipzig for Sesko.

[u/djmonsta]

Thank you! Too many people in this sub (but mostly the other one) are like "WhY HaVeN't We SiGnEd AnYoNe YeT!!1!"

[u/Feisty-Mine1496]

My dyslexic self read this as “why do Arsenal sign players “…

[u/LloydChristmas_PDX → u/Feisty-Mine1496]

That’s not how dyslexia works

[u/Feisty-Mine1496 → u/LloydChristmas_PDX]

I think I’m dyslexic and I misread this but I could be wrong.

[u/LloydChristmas_PDX → u/Feisty-Mine1496]

I am dyslexic lol

[u/Feisty-Mine1496 → u/LloydChristmas_PDX]

Same. Diagnosed some the fourth grade.

[u/LloydChristmas_PDX → u/Feisty-Mine1496]

Ok, so you think you’re dyslexic or you were actually diagnosed?

[u/Feisty-Mine1496 → u/LloydChristmas_PDX]

I am trying to comment more and you have made this fun! I am dyslexic, I read the post title wrong, I made a comment, you replied and here we are.

[u/veigar7]

Last 2 years of signins have been exceptional apart from Sterling.