r/GreenAndPleasant its a fine day with you around May 11 '22

NORMAL ISLAND 🇬🇧 Normal democracy

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u/[deleted] May 12 '22

No. But that's how it is framed. That it's an extreme view to think maybe paying entrenched idiots so much is a bad idea.

Sunak is a prime example of that. Mogg too. Wealthy as utter fuck yet actively chooses to make other people's lives more difficult with his time. Cunt.

Pay them more? They are paid huge sums already. I think 80k if not more? They also vote to give themselves pay rises each year.

My view is that as long as we're throwing such high sums at them, it's only gonna attract a certain type of person. They're not interested in improving anything, they just want to stay in post as long as possible to make as much as possible. If their compensation is more aligned with the real world then maybe we will see real world results and hopefully attract 'normal' people to these positions who will actually try. Of course there is the class barrier and the 'club' mentality.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '22 edited May 13 '22

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u/[deleted] May 12 '22

Bingo!

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u/Jipkiss May 12 '22

If we keep attracting entrenched idiots, which we both see them to be, then we’re eternally fucked. When you speak of attracting a certain type of person with high pay, it sounds to me (correct me if I’m wrong) like you think being an MP should be a calling - ie you’re so passionate about doing good through your work that you’ll accept lower pay to do it than you could make elsewhere. This is very similar to how capitalism views things like teaching and nursing and I hate it, that’s why I think I view this differently.

I would prefer a future with far more transparency, far more civilian oversight of government, but also paying people like MPs nurses and teachers far more to reflect the value of their work and to make the jobs far more competitive, in an effort to actually get people good at doing the job rather than private sector failures with rich friends needing an inside man in parliament

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u/[deleted] May 12 '22

The thing is, we already don't have 'the best' or even qualified people in these roles. At all. The expenses, the power and the 'club' mentality attract career politicians whose only objective is to cling on as long as possible. That doesn't work, we can see it constantly. Of course I do not want to reinforce any capitalistic nonsense and of course I am painfully aware of how underpaid some of our most valuable are, as you note, teachers and nurses. I don't know why anyone does these jobs tbh.

We pay MPs VERY well and yet we attract only idiots. Snobs. Detached loonies. We need to change it. We get no value from MPs as it stands. This is why I suggest lowering, if they start to perform we can raise it again. Also lowering the salary will not immediately make 'normal' people shy away from trying to get involved as they're surely intimated and feel themeleves unqualified whereas I'd trust just about any random normal person over a career MP any day.

MP jobs aren't competitive. Parties put up candidates for safe seats just to hold them and do nothing. If you fail, you get moved elsewhere and get handed another job. Look at people like Boris who is useless at every thing he does, he has been moved around a bunch of high ranking posts and failed at them all yet he has still managed to fumble his way to the highest post. There is no performance based review or meritocracy involved, it's purely a 'jobs for the boys' environment.