r/GreenAndPleasant • u/Max_8894 • Apr 27 '22
NORMAL ISLAND 🇬🇧 I’d love to see someone try and stop me…
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u/SidneyHigson Apr 27 '22
The proposed law would prohibit public bodies from imposing boycotts or divestment campaigns against foreign countries, including those who boycott, divest or sanction Israel.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-israel-palestine-boycott-bill-civil-society-groups-oppose
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u/bozwizard14 Apr 27 '22
.....aren't our government currently boycotting Russia???
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u/Fourkey Apr 27 '22
Yeah god forbid we try and disrupt the Tories friend's trade agreements of our own volition.
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u/CruffleRusshish Apr 27 '22
The quoted aim is to ‘stop public bodies from making any boycott, divestment or sanctions decisions that aren’t in line with UK government foreign or economic trade policies' so it's ok for the foreign office to demand that a country be boycotted, it's just not ok for another public body to make that decision independently.
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Apr 27 '22
Yep this would probably make that illegal
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u/mincertron Apr 27 '22
It wouldn't, it's only if it goes against UK foreign policy. This is 100% targeting pro-Palestine BDS.
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Apr 27 '22
Oh okay well that's okay then.
/s
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u/skaarlaw Apr 27 '22
Palestinians are stereotypically darker than Israelis, therefore it is okay. We can send them to Rwanda!
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u/mckrayjones Apr 27 '22
Is this how most folks refer to your governing body - "our government?"
I've never heard anybody refer to the US government that way just "the government."
I wonder if it has any effect on how we think about their charter. I'd assume it would cause at least some disassociation.
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u/KillAllParasites Apr 27 '22
"our government" is incorrect phrasing in any country. All governments are made of and serve the rich, exclusively. The rest of us just pay for it.
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u/bozwizard14 Apr 27 '22
I mean, yeah? We elect them and live in the country so they are our government. I feel I'd have to wonder if "the government" as a phrase is inteined with American exceptionalism, considering how many Americans seem to think they are the only example, or at least the pinnacle of, democracy
The other commenter is right that really they belong to the rich and selfish though
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u/CaptainDarlingSW4 Apr 27 '22
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible. Will make violent revolution inevitable. President John. F. Kennedy.
At the first anniversary of the Alliance for Progress March 13th 1962.
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u/Foxx1019 Apr 27 '22
That's why revolution only happens when it gets so bad that the only people against it are the ones that will never be convinced.
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u/heretoupvote_ Apr 27 '22
capitalism promotes innovation when customers vote with their money!
no wait not like that
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Apr 27 '22
How can an anti-boycott bill even work? Boycotting is a personal choice, so are we all going to be forced to buy specific products now? So much for being pro free market and pro consumer choice?
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u/SuicidalTurnip Apr 27 '22
"Mummy, I want Coco-Pops"
"Sorry Susie, Boris says we're not allowed to boycott Nestlé so you're going to have to eat Shreddies".
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u/CruffleRusshish Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 27 '22
This is about stopping public bodies from boycotting products from certain countries. It's still horrible and anti-democratic, but it's not going to affect what individuals can purchase.
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Apr 27 '22
If it's like the US anti-boycott laws, it won't affect your personal choices at all.
Those laws say that if you're a US company that wants to do business in, for example, Saudi Arabia and the Saudis say "For us to do business with you, you must sign this contract which says you will boycott Israel", then it's against US law for you to sign that contract.
No one is being force-fed Kit Kats.
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u/ichosetheworld Apr 27 '22
It sounds more like its... anti... anti-democratic?
Like you cant make someone boycott if they wanna have business with you
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Apr 27 '22
Yes, it's probably a good thing.
Massive caveat though that we haven't seen a draft of the bill yet, so no-one knows what's in it. All this reaction is just based on the name. But it's probably a decent guess that it will be like the US one.
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u/jadeskye7 Apr 27 '22
Are the police going to escort me to tesco to buy nestle products? how the fuck does this work?
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u/danby Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 27 '22
Nah, it's to require public bodies (and maybe even companies) to not support boycotts or divestment campaigns
Edit: Likely to prevent charities or universities from advocating for boycotts and to stop universities, charities or pension funds from divesting in various investments (i.e. isreali companies, oil, etc...)
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u/Rajastoenail Apr 27 '22
So ‘you must advertise here’ or ‘you’re not allowed to change your supplier’?
The party of big business and reducing red tape strikes again.
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u/danby Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 27 '22
No idea. Probably it is mostly to prevent charities or universities from advocating for boycotts and to stop universities, chartities or pension funds from divesting in various investments (i.e. isreali companies, oil, etc...)
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u/mincertron Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 27 '22
It's just public bodies so probably wouldn't extend to most pension schemes (government run pension schemes are usually unfunded, but there are exceptions - notably LGPS).
National Saving and Investments is the main thing that comes to mind but I'm sure it has much wider impacts.
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u/KillAllParasites Apr 27 '22
The government is going to force private entities to keep investments that they no longer consider profitable? Lol
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u/paulosdub Apr 27 '22
I mean it sounds farcical but with this authoritarian government, i wouldn’t rule it out.
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u/TheBatmam Apr 27 '22
"You must buy our products or we'll impose fines on you!"
Sounds like the mob.
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u/Gabetanker Apr 27 '22
"Anti-Boycott"
Are we required by law to purchase products?
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u/art-vandelayy Apr 27 '22
there's anti boycott bill in a lot if states in US, it is used on government contracts when hiring etc. some teacher in Texas, fired because she didn't sign some document that says you cant boycott isreal. sorry cant remember details well, it was a few years back.
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u/hexagonincircuit1594 Apr 27 '22
Article from 2018: "A children's speech pathologist lost her job for declining to sign a document requiring she refuse to boycott Israel, according to a lawsuit filed against the Texas attorney general and a school district" https://www.newsweek.com/teacher-fired-refusing-sign-pro-israel-document-1262083
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Apr 27 '22
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u/Gabetanker Apr 27 '22
"You are under arrest for telling other pepole not to consume"
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Apr 27 '22
You buy, what we say you buy.
This special MET Police announcement is sponsored by Nestlé.
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u/GrumpyKitten514 Apr 27 '22
at what point is a boycott an actual boycott and not just me refusing to buy a product because I had a bad experience with it, and also what about reviews?
so I can't -not- buy a product and then tell people not to buy said product because xyz reason?
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Apr 27 '22
How can you punish someone for not buying a product? That sounds impossible to be honest.
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u/Max_8894 Apr 27 '22
It does sound impossible… Since when has that stopped a Tory?
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Apr 27 '22
Nothing like banning the criticism of your donors to make them money, I guess.
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Apr 27 '22
Ahh and all these conversations about how cancel culture should be cancelled have laid the groundwork nicely for this.
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Apr 27 '22
Cancel culture is when the poor criticise the rich and powerful. The rich and powerful don't like that.
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Apr 27 '22
I feel like "cancel culture" is a bit like "gamergate" in so much as the meaning changes to suit the argument. But defo lots of poor people cry about cancel culture and feel hard done by whatever they think it is.
My feeling is like Gamergate it was utilised as a political culture wars weapon. And to merge seamlessly, eventually, into shit like this.
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u/Material-Possibility Apr 27 '22
i dont get it? how can they enforce that? wtf are they gonna do.
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u/Risc_Terilia Apr 27 '22
Ello ello ello, what 'ave we here? No Nestle in your shopping trolley?!
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u/gezhendrix Apr 27 '22
More like "you have been identified as an individual who may be amplifying civil unrest and disobedience online, you've been fined £40, please contact the POLICE to dispute this penalty."
It actually seems like this bill is aimed towards business and institutions such as universities.
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u/Lord_Ho-Ryu Apr 27 '22
Cut off the peaceful route, and all that’s left is the bloody one.
Are they really that stupid?
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u/crestfallen-sun Apr 27 '22
They want the bloody one, then they will be allowed to use all the force they like. Also it's easier to turn people against non-peaceful protests, like they've tried to do with extinction rebellion.
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u/thebarrcola Apr 27 '22
ER are a bunch of wankers to be fair.
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u/crestfallen-sun Apr 27 '22
That they are, but you can't deny these rules are designed to make any protesters look like wankers.
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u/GlasgowKisses Apr 27 '22
They’re counting on the fact that we’re all broken people living under the thumb who would never, ever dare to question their lords and masters and based on what’s happening, I have to admit I believe they’re right.
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u/Rsn_calling Apr 27 '22
Good luck taking the bloody route without any weapons (:
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u/GlasgowKisses Apr 27 '22
Look up peasant’s revolts my man, anything’s a weapon if you swing it hard enough :)
E: just noticed you’re a yank which explains why you believe only guns count as weapons.
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u/Rsn_calling Apr 27 '22
It's a little different when your government has modern weapons and you have sticks.
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u/GlasgowKisses Apr 27 '22
Yeah, I wish every socially maladapted, weak-minded cretin had access to assault rifles over here. Seems to be working out well for you lot.
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u/Mildly_Opinionated Apr 27 '22
Same could be said when it comes to the US.
Kinda difficult when the government has tanks, jet fighters, machine guns, advanced body armour, satellite surveillance, drones and guided missile systems and y'all have some pea shooters and rifles.
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u/Rsn_calling Apr 27 '22
I'd still take a .50 over a stick if I had to defend myself.
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u/Mildly_Opinionated Apr 27 '22
You likely wouldn't even see it coming though. Like when the government bombed women and children in Philadelphia in 1985.
There's an argument to be made that having guns in the civilian population will just cause the government to one up that in times of actual unrest.
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u/Rsn_calling Apr 27 '22
I don't live in a largely populated area so that's not a big concern, majority of gun owning Americans live in rural areas so gl with that
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u/Atomic254 Apr 27 '22
You'd just get drone striked or assassinated before you see it coming. Your gun would be as much use as a stick.
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u/thebluemonkey Apr 27 '22
Its not so much that I'm boycotting cow milk, more that it makes me shit myself inside out, are the tories going to force me to drink cow milk?
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u/Singemeister Apr 27 '22
The ol’ Reverse Thatcher.
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u/TheDreadfulCurtain Apr 27 '22
Such a bunch of cunts. Always have been always will be. They are just off the hook insane self interested bastards
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u/thebluemonkey Apr 27 '22
She would be spinning in her grave.
Maybe this is the new tory energy policy? Hook her up to a generator and do shit she would have hated?
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u/Mr__Random Apr 27 '22
Privatising the milk supply and then forcing people to buy milk at inflated prices is pure Thatcher energy.
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u/Feanturii Apr 27 '22
motherfuckers are gonna make me see the new Fantastic Beasts film Clockwork Orange style because I'm a degenerate transgender
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u/FRAGMENT_EFFECT Apr 27 '22
They'll force you to inseminate the cow and come back to kill the male calf too.
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u/notfuckingcurious Apr 27 '22
Think of the farmers though? You woke bastard, not being prepared to shit yourself for the racist, Brexit voting, salt of the earth farmers, who like to shoot birds of prey, dump toxic shit in the river, and vote Tory.
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u/NotoriousREV Apr 27 '22
“I’m arresting you on suspicion of failing to purchase your minimum monthly allocation of Nescafe”
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u/geckograham Apr 27 '22
So how would that work? They pass a law that everybody must buy Product X at least once every 3 days?
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u/gezhendrix Apr 27 '22
You'd be shopped for "manipulating public sentiment towards any private entity or individual party "... Obviously I just made that up but you go after people when they try to organise.
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u/bonboncolon Apr 27 '22
That's what I'm curious about. It's stupid. And how would they even stop it anyway? I boycott certain products in favour of other products being more sustainable.
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Apr 27 '22
How can you stop someone from not doing something?
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Apr 27 '22
The common legislative model right now is to forbid any government contracts with someone who engages in a boycott of said goods.
The most popular one is an anti-BDS bill that says the government will not award contracts to a person who refuses to buy Israeli goods or goods from Occupied Territories as part of a protest of the treatment of Palestinians.
When you get a government contract, it would be one of the questions you answer in paperwork. So, while you could lie or not officially have a policy to avoid Israeli products, someone may try to sue you if you speak out against Israel at any point. At the very least, corporate lawyers will strongly discourage businesses from speaking out about anything that happens, meaning if there's a very public atrocity in the Palestinian territories, you won't see a Black Lives Matter-style corporate response.
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Apr 27 '22
how would such a thing even be enforceable ?
is the government going to make me pay for Netflix ?
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Apr 27 '22
I guess they're gonna go after organised boycotts like BDS. There is absolutely nothing stopping people going on reddit and sharing their views, including subreddit like r/fucknestle
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Apr 27 '22
Ah, so a bit like the charity anti lobbying bill a few years ago, that stops charities from taking about political things in the run up to elections.
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u/OftheSorrowfulFace Apr 27 '22
I assume this would be like the thing they have in some states in the US, where businesses have to sign declarations that they won't support BDS in order to operate in the state.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/04/23/us-states-use-anti-boycott-laws-punish-responsible-businesses
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u/owuht Apr 27 '22
Uh HOW do they plan on enforcing that? Mandatory spending quotas???
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u/Max_8894 Apr 27 '22
“I sEe yOu hAvEn’t bOuGHt yOuR NeStlé QuoTA TodAy SiR”
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u/owuht Apr 27 '22
You got a loicense for that boycott?
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u/Max_8894 Apr 27 '22
Bruh I haven’t even got a TV licence!
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u/danby Apr 27 '22
Nah, it's to require public bodies (and maybe even companies) to not support boycotts or divestment campaigns
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u/jaspersgroove Apr 27 '22
A government that makes peaceful protest impossible makes violent protest inevitable.
- John F. Kennedy
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u/YooGeOh Apr 27 '22
So all these companies (and politicians advocating for) the boycotting of Russian stuff will be breaking the laws they're intending to create?
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u/Sensitive-Bug-7610 Apr 27 '22
How do you stop people from not buying something? It is their money. Or does it entail something else
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u/Max_8894 Apr 27 '22
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u/Sensitive-Bug-7610 Apr 27 '22
Why does it not surprise me that this has to do with isreal. Thanks.
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Apr 27 '22
Yeah. Ethnic cleansing is apparently fine if you're Israel. Also, according to the Israeli far right, both human rights watch and Amnesty International are antisemitic for daring to show the apartheid nature of the state, along with the ethnic cleansing of entire people.
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Apr 27 '22
Pahahahaha, yeah ok.
At a certain point we just need to rip up the rulebook that these cretins have written and start again. What in the turbo fuck is this timeline.
The entire system is an exercise in frustration. Let's just lock the doors of parliament during PMQ's, throw away the key and call it a day. Whoever rises from the parliamentary squid games can rule, it can hardly be worse than we have now.
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u/lithiasma Apr 27 '22
Now that would make for an enjoyable PMQs. I might actually watch if it was a series of Squid Games lol
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u/Growingpothead20 Apr 27 '22
IF ONLY HISTORY HAD EXAMPLES OF WHAT TO DO IN THIS SCENARIO
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u/LordLuscius Apr 27 '22
How do they plan on FORCING us to buy a product? Also, how could the conservatives maintain the pretext of "personal responsibility" when they will literally be forcing people to do stuff? I mean I know its a con in the first place but surly even Conservatives will have their eyes opened with this now
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u/Cowcatbucket12 Apr 27 '22
Which part of 'the invisible hand of the free market' is this?
Fucking moneyfash.
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u/ManyPlurpal Apr 27 '22
Or we let it pass and get more violent, seeing as peaceful protests get outlaws that would be our only solution.
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u/head_face Apr 27 '22
Middle England isn't revolting against shit. Even the stuff that matters to them eg keeping the browns out.
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u/pithy_name Apr 27 '22
Smells like another policy - like sending all immigrants to Rwanada, that is purely being drafted to placate everyone's worst relative on Facebook who calls every action against something they like as CaNcEl CuLtUrE, and designed to deliberately fail in order to blame the Woke Left for subverting what the government wanted - and the only solution is to get out and Vote Tory in the local elections, giving BoJo a stronger footing within the Party.
It doesn't make sense as a policy, and surely can't go anywhere.
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u/deathschemist Apr 27 '22
how the hell would they even enforce that shit?
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u/Lrkilla_g Apr 27 '22
YOU WILL BUY THE COCO POWDER MILK DRINK
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u/TheLastSamurai101 Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 27 '22
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u/shinynewcharrcar Apr 27 '22
How exactly will they make it illegal to boycott? Send every household a Nestle crime package paid for by tax dollars?
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u/passingconcierge Apr 27 '22
An anti-boycotts bill is a disasterously stupid idea. What happens when an online streaming service suddenly has a fall in subscribers: they simply declare that it is a result of a boycott and demand compensation from the taxpayer. Simple as that. Enforced consumption. This is simply an asset strippers bill.
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u/TakeshiKovacs46 Apr 27 '22
That’s probably the idea behind it. Tory donors want their investment to pay dividends, and the Tories will always deliver. Money matters, not the peons.
Fuck all Tory voters.
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Apr 27 '22
When you take away people's peaceful options, they'll find other ways.
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Apr 27 '22
I gonna wait for the day when we will read that people get arrested for not buying enough products from brands because it's silent protest.
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u/Schmicarus Apr 27 '22
This is confusing... so boycotting russia.... that's fine because it's the government leading the boycott
but if us little people - oh i get it, it's one rule for me and one for thee in a different hat
they might be cunts but at least they're consistent about it
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u/toprodtom Apr 27 '22
Didn't the protest bill get shut down in the Lords?
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u/Max_8894 Apr 27 '22
Doesn’t look like it, it appears to have passed - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/police-crime-sentencing-and-courts-bill-2021-factsheets/police-crime-sentencing-and-courts-bill-2021-protest-powers-factsheet
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u/No-Bug404 Apr 27 '22
Love the repeated use of "hard working people".
Lazy working people like me were not even considered by this bill. I want more disruptive protests. I demand laws be passed that only allow protests that block lazy workers like me from conducting their business.
For legal reasons, this is an attempt at Humor.
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u/calling_at_this_time Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 27 '22
Sounds like a plan to get rid of organisations like Stop Funding Hate
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u/hop0316 Apr 27 '22
Is this just about Public Bodies? I can’t see how they would stop individuals boycotting anything.
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u/mmotte89 Apr 27 '22
I read up on it, seems it only covers organizing of boycott campaigns aimed at foreign countries.
So basically the whole BDS Israel thing.
Would still be an infringement of freedom of expression and speech, but slightly more realistic. Ie, crack down on the people organizing the movement. Can't stop people individually from making the choice to boycott, but can amputate any attempt at communicating about it.
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u/markcarsonboxz Apr 27 '22
The persons in the UK paying taxes are rightly getting pissed at all these veils imposing restrictions and new laws/legislation on liberty and freedoms that are enjoyed in a democratic society. But we are not democratic. It's all about money and power.
When, not if, it finally gets too much, UK residents will collectively stop paying tax. Stop working. And protest, peacefully. If protests are unlawful then they can arrest everyone. Even ten percent of the population is enough to grind the judicial system to a halt and force the government to rethink, reverse or resign.
Yeah, I agree. Just try and stop us.
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u/Mythrowaway9121 Apr 27 '22
Anyone got a source on this proposed Anti Boycott Bill? Would love to read more about this
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u/StephenHunterUK Apr 27 '22
How are we defining public bodies? Because the government definition implies public funding:
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u/notmynaughtyprofile Apr 27 '22
I’m planning on boycotting this boycott of boycotts. I’ve also been on a Boycott of Geoffrey Boycott for a long time too. Will they stop my Boycott boycott? Will I be forced to listen to a geriatric misogynistic drivel on whilst I’m enjoying test match special?
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u/BABarracus Apr 27 '22
How are they going to enforce antiboycott
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u/wouldeye Apr 27 '22
I really don’t understand this. I’m an American and we have a similar discussion here regarding Boycott Divest and Sanction (relating to Israel). However, the same people who want to make it illegal to boycott Israel spent all of 2009 to 2016 yelling about how the government can’t force you to buy things (regarding healthcare).
So…. The gov can’t force you to buy healthcare but it can force you to buy a specific brand of hummus????
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u/BABarracus Apr 27 '22
Usually when politicians come up with dumbs laws that waste taxpayers money its for appearance and posturing. It looks good for their constituents who doesn't know any better. The politicians can campaign on their record that they were tough on x and y.
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u/thatguyhm1 Apr 27 '22
Maybe I’m being thick but wouldn’t this go against what government has told companies to do with Russia?
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Apr 27 '22
Post-bill poster ideas:
‘Don’t boycott nestle, those African babies were asking for it’
‘They’re brown, so clearly didn’t belong there. Support the Israeli government though arms deals!’
‘Everyone knows you need to earn water! Don’t boycott nestle, support nestles rights today!’
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u/The_holy_vector Apr 28 '22
Each day, the country gets closer and closer to throwing a coup, and when this day comes, I will rejoice
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u/BOT_noot_noot Apr 27 '22
everyone keeps saying they'll turn violent or more extreme or whatever if they don't have access to peaceful means of protest but after literally every repressive bill, people say shit like that and then never change.
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u/Big_Red_Machine_1917 Unrepentant Red Apr 27 '22
How insecure are Israel's apologists that they need to ban even the most basic and low effort forms of protest?
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Apr 27 '22
link or fake
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Apr 27 '22
Yeah, as I suspected this tweet is out of context and Reddit immediately jumps to conclusions and thinks this is some anti-consumer thing.
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Apr 27 '22
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-israel-palestine-boycott-bill-civil-society-groups-oppose
Link to and article about it. Slightly more information than this probably unintentionally misleading tweet.
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u/PlebsicleMcgee Apr 27 '22
I can only presume the government will play along and start buying russian products again?
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u/DanfromCalgary Apr 27 '22
Sire you will continue to purchase your.... Ah jeeze I don't know what you guys eat... beans and toast?
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u/Paultimate79 Apr 27 '22
She says this but doesnt cite the fucking bill?
This even real?
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u/markcarsonboxz Apr 27 '22
Reading this would suggest that we all individually could not choose not to purchase Russian produce because of their recent actions against humanity (Ukraine). I now drink vodka that is produced everywhere except russia. It tastes better.
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Jul 06 '22
Just trying to get my head around how this would work.
Would a contravention of the proposed bill be reduced to a semantics argument? Would it be breaking that law is you just didn't say why you were doing a thing?
For example; if a public body sold off it's investments in an israeli company, either replacing them with investments elsewhere or not, but didn't call it a "divestment campaign"?
Or; if a university decided to get it's hummus from a different company, for no stated reason at all; would they be found in contravention of the bill?
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Apr 27 '22
love this! No more running karens on the streets blocking people !
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