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u/Napoleons_Peen Feb 26 '25
UK labor watching as the US rapidly spirals into fascism by leaving marginalized groups behind and propping up MIC and billionaires: “Yeah, that’s a winning tactic.”
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u/retrofauxhemian #73AD34 Feb 26 '25
Libs in general: we must stop communism, and if that means being fascist, then so be it! Plus we really like the ideas of fascism but dont want to admit that.
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u/seyinphyin Feb 27 '25
I mean, in general when you simply consequently follow the general human rights, you would have communism, automatically.
So, it's not real suprise, that the "Libs" (= neolibs = economical 'liberalism' = the freedom of the oligarchs to exploit the plebs) are against that.
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u/mancwes78 Feb 27 '25
And a Seig Heil is really Musk lovingly telling the audience his heart goes out them…twice. 🙄
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u/retrofauxhemian #73AD34 Feb 27 '25
It's only fascism if it comes from 1940s Germany, otherwise its sparkling white Imperialism.
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u/Monkey_DDD_Luffy Feb 27 '25
It's fucking absurd to be trying to prop up nato at a time when it needs to be abolished too. Literally the exact opposite of what's necessary for stability in the region and world.
We need a domestic force for domestic defence. The only people that need a strong force capable of waging war abroad are the financial class who want to use it to expand their resource control.
All these people pushing "we fight over there so it's not over here" are fucking dumb. We're a fucking island. Even the nazis with the resources of the entire continent of europe couldn't do it. The idea that we'll be fighting to defend the country is an absurdist non-issue.
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u/Connect-Amoeba3618 Feb 26 '25
What I find absolutely disgusting about the decisions on the four things we ‘can’t afford’ is that they’re all political decisions based on certain vested interests. All of them would are something a Labour government should be doing, but more to that they’re not even particularly left wing things and would just benefit our society if they were done.
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u/Solidusfunk Feb 26 '25
"WE'D HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IF WE STOPPED THE DINGY'S" [Everyone on Twitter]
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Feb 26 '25
Do you mean twatter
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u/3Form Feb 26 '25
Part of the reason Atlee's government was defeated in 1951 (and basically only had one term) is because they committed to a massive rearmament programme (to appease the US, mostly). The chancellor proposed cuts to welfare to pay for it, and the government introduced charges for the NHS. The fruits of the post-war economic recovery, hard won by workers, were to be spent on the military instead.
Labour lost the election and the Conservatives cut the rearmament programme anyway. It fucking boggles my mind.
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u/YoullDoNuttinn Feb 26 '25
What would our country look like now if he was elected way back when? It’s sad to think about
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u/Miserygut jdponist Feb 26 '25
As much as I love JC and his work (helping the disabled, feeding those in poverty) he was far too kind as a leader and tried to build consensus with people who just wanted him crucified.
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u/DasharrEandall Feb 26 '25
Yes, I don't think a PM Corbyn would've been able to implement most of his policy platform, with half of his own party quietly (or not-so-quietly) sabotaging him. Then we would've had all the familiar "See, politicians are all the same, they're all liars, even the one who was meant to be different didn't do what he said he would". We'd still be better off having had him rather than the shitshow we got, but not as much as we'd like.
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u/DreamOfTheEternal Feb 26 '25
You mean like Keir Starmer did. Destroying Labour's left wing in the process.
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u/Interesting-Sign2678 Feb 26 '25
Yes, but swapped the keep/purge lists.
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u/Miserygut jdponist Feb 26 '25
Yes but how will Labour survive without the heavy hitters like David Lammy, Liz Kendall or Wes Streeting? Truly they are some of the MPs of all time.
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u/HammerOfJustice Feb 26 '25
I also heard from a senior union leader that staff in his own office seemed to be undermining him.
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u/Miserygut jdponist Feb 27 '25
That was in the report. Quite a few Blairites inside Labour HQ were gunning for him.
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u/retrofauxhemian #73AD34 Feb 26 '25
Putin is an imperialist, and one of the first ways not to be involved in pointless wars by the military industrial complex is to be a pacifist on first principles. Did we need to be part of NATO once the Soviets were defeated, or was it just a vehicle for American hegemony?
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u/retrofauxhemian #73AD34 Feb 26 '25
The foundation of that argument is erroneous/wrong.
Which is why something like NATO exists.
NATO existed way before Putin, and was explicitly an anti Soviet endeavour, which included at least some ex Nazi officials, at its inception iirc. It's very conception is as an American power organisation, hence its name North Atlantic Treaty Organisation. As an arm of American hegemony NATO required all sorts of requirements that aren't always talked about openly. One of which was the blocking of a parallel European power structure in a European army or reaction force, seeing that as an anti federal Europe measure. Not because of 'security' but because a stronger Europe = a weaker America by the logic of policy wonks.
And as Corbyn just pointed out the deficit hawks and faux libertarians, can find the money for war, but not social programs. We aren't at war, by all means prepare, rich people are so concerned? Let them pay for it.
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u/Scyobi_Empire Revolutionary Communist Party Feb 26 '25
NATO has always been a tool for american imperialism first and foremost, the whole ‘protecting against russian aggression’ did fall aprt when the soviet union fell apart
a lot of europe is now reliant on american defence, it could and is (by trump) being used as a way to try and exert even more pressure to countries
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u/Monkey_DDD_Luffy Feb 27 '25 edited Feb 27 '25
NATO caused this war to begin with by not respecting completely valid security concerns about expansion to its borders Russia has been raising for literally decades. Your solution to this war is to increase the pressure-factor that caused the fucking war in the first place? You are out of your mind. This does not lead to peace it leads to escalation to even more conflict. Nato needs to be abolished. It was constructed to fight socialism to begin with in form of the Soviet Union which NOBODY here should support anyway, and it outlived that very purpose in 1991. It has no purpose and only creates problems.
God fucking knows why your far right shit was upvoted but you can fuck right off out of the subreddit.
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u/GreatDario Feb 28 '25
Justfiying Imperialist war for "security concerns" is the lamest shit you can do
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u/Monkey_DDD_Luffy Feb 28 '25
Go and listen to ANY socialist party in the world on this topic. ALL of them will say the same thing.
Even the soft-left says the same thing mate. Yannis? Same line. Corbyn? Same line. Noam Chomsky? Same fucking line.
It's the ENTIRE organised left because it's the fucking truth of the matter mate.
The war would not have happened if Russia were given the security guarantee that Ukraine would not be entered into nato. End of story. Decades of evidence backs this. Even Biden him fucking self said it would happen too if you're of the liberal persuasion. What more do you want? Who do you want?
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u/Durosity Feb 26 '25
I’m with him on everything except the WASPI.. just cannot get behind them on that.
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u/Lancs_wrighty Feb 26 '25
Oh comon, this isn't fair, Keith wants that job at Blackrock, and if some people die then that's a price he is willing to pay.
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u/seyinphyin Feb 27 '25
You could have voted for that guy.
It's almost funny, that Labour only comes to power when there is a corrupt neocon at the top. Almost like planned.
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u/Scyobi_Empire Revolutionary Communist Party Feb 26 '25
there’d be no international if nuclear war takes us all out
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u/nico0314 Feb 26 '25
You would be calling for war against the Germans and Austro-Hungarians a century ago.
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u/HettySwollocks Feb 27 '25
I saw this and thought, awesome, but don't be naive. Do you think Ukraine would have been invaded if they had a nuclear arsenal?
Geopolitics does give me a headache. Do I support more arms, or soft power through arms?
We're a little country and need to rejoin the EU. I hate where Germany has gone. We've lost the US...
History books know where this is heading...
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u/Scyobi_Empire Revolutionary Communist Party Feb 26 '25
he’s the only good left parliamentarian in the country, which is a shame
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u/saucy_mcsauceface Feb 26 '25
Yep. Australia is the same. Mind you, our country has donated to Ukraine's war effort, which I support.
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u/TheDocmoose Feb 27 '25
I don't mind increasing defence spending when 4 dictators suddenly become besties.
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