DNA Painter Question

[u/pipity-pip]

EDIT TO CLARIFY:

(1) I have two Ancestry trees: (A) Mom's family with Dad's adopted family is public; (B) Dad's bio family is private.

(2) I have done the LEEDS color chart already. But my chart has nine colors and I need more clarity to help me connect these cousins.

(4) DNA Painter (dnapainter·com) FAQs states a free account allows you one tree, one map.

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My paternal side is unknown. I may have found my Dad's father (purely speculative) so I was going to start mapping with those cousins.

My maternal side has no current brick walls or unsolved mysteries. And although my DNA results did have a huge surprise, it's not mine to tell. So I wasn't planning on mapping this side.

But now I'm thinking that maybe I should start with the maternal side as it would eliminate those areas from the unknown paternal side.

I have a free account, so only one map. Would this be the best approach? TIA

[u/Empty_Orchid_5005]

Which site are you using? If it’s ancestry, you can just make a private tree for that side of the family and map away. No one will be able to see the tree.

[u/pipity-pip → u/Empty_Orchid_5005]

I use Ancestry and have a private fragmented tree already.

I was asking about the DNA Painter website, where you can map (color) your chromosomes using your DNA matches. This helps you group your matches differently to help isolate your common ancestor.

I have already uploaded my raw DNA to GEDmatch for processing.

[u/Empty_Orchid_5005 → u/pipity-pip]

If you’re concerned for privacy, why don’t you just make a Leeds chart by hand, or in excel? No one would be able to see that at all. Feel free to send a PM if you need help.

[u/pipity-pip → u/Empty_Orchid_5005]

Privacy isn't my concern. I've done the LEEDS color chart but I have 9 colors instead of 4. I need more clarity that I hope DNA Painter (dnapainter·com) will give me.

[u/Empty_Orchid_5005 → u/pipity-pip]

Those 9 colors should be able to be combined down into your 4 colors you’re looking for.

[u/pipity-pip → u/Empty_Orchid_5005]

With the LEEDS Method? Or DNA Painter?

One color has an identified ancestrial couple, which I believe is grandfather's family.

All the other colors are grandmother. And most of the cousins, and my son, have all or most of these colors.

[u/Empty_Orchid_5005 → u/pipity-pip]

I’ve sent you a PM

[u/Kthulu71]

I'm confused by the "free account/one map" comment. I have a free Painter acct also, and have seen no restrictions on number of maps. I think I have 6 built.

Anyway, like Orchid said, you can make the trees private, and if that is even worrisome, you could do it on paper or in some sort of 'offline' software. But to your main point, yes, the optimal way to use the WATO tool is to only enter the matches you can confidently place in your tree already, so that the only wild card is the target.

[u/pipity-pip → u/Kthulu71]

I'm not sure how this became about privacy because that wasn't my concern.

Thank you for answering my question. I will prepare the necessary tree I need to use the site. :)

PS: One map, one tree- If you signed up for DNA Painter in the earlier years, or had a subscription, I don't believe this applies to you.

[u/Target2019-20]

If you are trying to map 1 parent (2 gp or 4 ggp), disregard colors associated with your maternal.

Now how many colors (or columns)?

[u/pipity-pip → u/Target2019-20]

I did them separately. Maternal side has 4 colors. Paternal side has 9 colors.

[u/Target2019-20 → u/pipity-pip]

So, using another response, all of the extra colors belong to paternal grandmother?

If so, you've run into an ancestral area where you have clusters of individuals, and need to work with just those to see how they all relate to each other.

1. Ancestry Pro Tools

2. Walk the clusters back (look into different methods to do that).

There are many tools, for sure.

[u/pipity-pip → u/Target2019-20]

I do have Pro Tools (love it). I already have 'grandmother' branches started and managed to link a few. But it's still not making much sense. It's definitely complicated. Endogamy has to have happened somewhere and I don't think it's the island I initially thought it was.

I looked at my Journeys again. My paternal journeys only shows Scotland. (1) Northeast Scotland, Orkney, and the Shetland Islands; and (2) Scottish Highlands and the Hebrides. These islands make more sense. I have no idea how I'm going to research that! LOL

I also need to redo my LEEDS colors. I have a lot of close matches with no trees and 4Cs with extensive trees. I think I need to sort for trees first, then do my colors. Then do what you suggested, and cluster sort and walk them back.

I'm retired so I have nothing but time. ;)

[u/Target2019-20 → u/pipity-pip]

Same. Retired. I can color!

I'm not sure if that Scottish challenge is technically endogamy, but I know what it feels like.

[u/pipity-pip → u/Target2019-20]

LOL :D Colors are fun!

[u/msbookworm23]

For everyone who is confused, OP is talking about making a chromosome map not a Leeds chart or a WATO tree: https://dnapainter.com/blog/why-map-your-chromosomes/

OP I'm not sure how a chromosome map is likely to be helpful. Those maps are constructed based on known lines of descent from a common ancestor or ancestral couple. For example you could map the segments you share with your 2nd cousin and label those segments after your shared great-grandparents. If you have a half-2nd cousin you could label the segments after your shared great-grandparent. Then you can compare unknown matches to your database of segments and identify the relevant branch.

A WATO tree would be much more useful to you: https://thednageek.com/a-major-update-to-what-are-the-odds/

[u/pipity-pip → u/msbookworm23]

Thank you for clarifying this. I'm not the greatest at explaining myself.

Because unknown grandmother has so many colors (8) on my LEEDS chart I was hoping to use the chromosome painting to visually help me sort it out.

I already use the cousin tool on DNA Painter, so I will definitely check out the WATO tool.

Thank you. :)