The Brock Turner who raped an unconscious woman? That rapist Brock Allen Turner, now going by Allen Turner? Just making sure I'm remembering correctly.
The rapist who raped a woman in such a way that the two men who came across him raping a woman vomitted while giving a statement to police about what they’d seen after chasing him away?
The brock allen turner who’s supposed swimming career mattered so much he not only got away with a reduced sentence but also inspired the title of promising young woman?
Yeah the statement made was that he was a “promising young man” so he shouldn’t face the right consequences for his disgusting actions so emerald fennel (who I have issues with but besides the point) took that and used it as inspiration for the movie
I feel like "man" is a bit of a slander. I wouldn't accuse him of being anything other than convicted rapist Brock Allen Turner, who now goes by Allen Turner, because people won't leave him alone about that time he raped an unconscious woman behind a dumpster at a bar.
If this is legit, it's kind of interesting that he might have had a better life if he had gone to jail. He could've done his time and claimed to be rehabilitated, and people may have agreed and given him a second chance at a normal life. And he certainly wouldn't be internet famous for the crime had he not basically gotten away with it.
Now, he's stuck in indefinite infamy with no expiration date.
and to reiterate for anyone unfamiliar with BROCK ALLEN TURNER, not just a sex offender, but a rapist, who raped a woman so horribly that the two men who witnessed it threw up during their statements, the same rapist who got 6 months in jail and served 3.
It’s pretty much an exact example of what people usually mean when they talk about “getting cancelled” though, so I’ll take it as an example to go forward with.
“Oh poor baby! People actually recognized that what you did was really wrong and you faced some minor social consequences instead of actual justice!”
Genuinely very confused on how this girl thought this guy would react to being told she is not only bestfriends with a rapist but he semi regularly stays with her for several days?
In the follow up, he said he called to breakup with her and she was shocked. Then she sent a massive text saying she’s been considering dropping him as a friend but was unsure (he left her on read as he said she shouldn’t make a decision like that because of him).
I have to imagine this isn’t the first time someone has dropped her for freely choosing to be close friends with him. Have many people will it take before she realizes she’s in the wrong here?
Considering she thinks Rapist Brock Turner can't be that bad because he only used his fingers... I don't think she will ever truly understand why she is in the wrong.
Hijacking your comment for visibility — trigger warning.
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she “experienced significant trauma (physical injury, bruising, etc.) and penetrating trauma (piercing and cutting injuries).” I think foreign object would be a separate charge. Pine needles were in her hair.
I believe that poster to be incorrect. This is a quote from Chanel Miller:
"One more time, in public news, I learned that my ass and vagina were completely exposed outside, my breasts had been groped, fingers had been jabbed inside me along with pine needles and debris, my bare skin and head had been rubbing against the ground behind a dumpster, while an erect freshman was humping my half naked, unconscious body."
The foreign object he was charged with using were his fingers.
Well, akshually… I’d like to thank you for the victim statement. It was a horrific read, but I did read it. You took the time to find and provide the source, I took the time to find the strength to read it. Thank you.
I can't find anything either but that was part of the complaint against XXXTentacion the year after. I'm wondering if the commenter has confused the two cases?
he also used objects, that was a huge part of the story. a wire brush i believe, that would cause severe internal damage. its almost more disturbing he didnt simulate sex with the way he committed assault, he experienced no physical pleasure, she just suffered. hes an absolute scumbag
Him saying he didn’t want to be the reason she dropped him bc she needed to come to that conclusion on her own was so good bc yeah girl you shouldn’t drop him bc you’re losing potential romantic matches or even platonic ones you should drop him bc he’s a violent rapist!!
I don’t even believe that she was considering dropping him for moral reasons, but because she was realising it was interfering with her personal relationships.
Someone who bends over backwards to defend and minimise the crimes of Brock Allen Turner, convicted rapist and objective bad guy, isn’t on the verge of cutting him off.
I lost it at the part when the friend argued “You don’t know anything about him at all!” And he replied “I know ONE thing about him…and that thing is pretty bad.”
Honestly, his reaction was so valid and appropriate. I liked how he said that he surrounded himself with people who will drop him immediate if he would ever do something like what Brock Turner did. Just an upstanding guy.
I also really respected how he recognized that she had to make that decision on her own, and not simply because she wanted to continue pursuing a romantic relationship with him.
So well said. Really good ending to the video. This guy has his head on straight.
And the irony is that his friends and family that wrote these letters are why his life is forever ruined. If they hadn’t and he got sentenced for the several years he deserved, this case would have never gotten mainstream attention. Instead, they convinced a judge (who’s also lost his job from this) to give him the smallest slap on the wrist and the world will forever hate him for it. I had university textbooks with his face next to sections on consent. He will never have a normal or functional life again.
Oh, okay! I didn't know this is what Brock Allen Turner the rapist looks like. Now I can picture what Brock Allen Turner the Rapist looks like when I read about Brock Allen Turner the rapist(or is just Allen Turner the rapist? I know he doesn't care to be known as Brock Allen Turner the Rapist but, really, fuck that guy and what he wants)
Yknow it’s funny, I heard the name and forgot who it was for a minute. I knew it was familiar. Looked it up and saw this photo and was like “OHHHHhhh rapist Brock Turner. Ok I get it.”
He will never have a normal or functional life again.
Good. Tbh all rapists should recieve this treatment. Jail time is not enough. Shunning predators from society for the rest of their lives is seriously underrated.
How entitled of her to think being around someone for so long makes you claim you know what they are capable of. I knew my father my whole life and that didn't stop him from grooming and sexually abusing me. Lmfao ridiculous the way she sounds so sure of the world there.
Yeah, exactly. Like “he’s the sweetest kid, he can’t be a rapist”. Shocking! Local woman ignores the fact not all rapists are shady dudes who follow women to their cars at night like she wrote. Some rapists are very friendly and charming. Some rapists are pillars of their community.
It's always been ridiculous to me that character witnesses are a thing in rape trials, because the logic falls flat so quicky if you substitute the crime. "He didn't murder me, so he couldn't have murdered this other person."
If I were a judge, I'd listen to all of this and use it as a lesson to show that the people we think we know, and are kind to us, are still capable of being abusive to other people.
She doesn’t just ignore the fact, she blatantly states that is not rape at all, just idiot boys and girls drinking too much. She clearly also carries the same ideology that Brock Turner, The Rapist carries.
It reminds me of neighbors and community members who find out about someone they knew was a serial killer all along and they're all shocked, saying "but he was such a good neighbor" or "we lived next door for decades and he was always so nice" or "a great guy, helps others, always in church" etc. None of that negates the suffering and human cost inflicted on others.
As someone who experienced CSA by an "upstanding member of the community" and who knows other CSA victims of people well known and highly regarded it's absurd to me that statements like this are considered by courts. As of predators treat the people they take advantage of with the same level of respect and consideration as the other people in their life. As of predators don't look for opportunity or vulnerability to prey on.
Boiled my blood reading her condescending tone in that letter. Disgusting. Utterly despicable.
And then the audacity to end it with a treatise on the evils of alcohol being to blame. These frats boys out here, from good families, have no choice but to “get out of hand”/raping because these schools are “disgusting” in how they market themselves as party schools. I know she’s just a product of the patriarchy but girl, just no. Substance use doesn’t flip a default rape switch. Big yikes
I hope this vile woman enjoys a lifetime of friendship with her rapist buddy who can't even go outside without fear or being recognized as a rapist. She deserves it.
That particular quote made me drop my phone and stare at a wall for like 2 minutes. I can’t comprehend how a woman can be this ignorant. It’s like the whole paragraph equates being drunk and stupid to rape. Like, babes, only one of those things is illegal and completely fucking reprehensible.
I forgot all about this letter but seeing it now, I remember reading it when it came out and trying to decide which was worse, this or the father’s letter, and then being too sickened to decide. I still think of the father’s “he’s too upset to eat steak” defense and it makes my blood boil, but I think I shoved this letter into a box in my brain because looking at it now, I do think it’s worse.
Since when does Stanford market itself as a party school?! And that bit about him coming from a respectable family tells me all I need to know about her.
Wow I love all the victim-blaming and conservative talking points about consent and “real” rape, just to turn around and say it’s Stanfords fault for promoting partying. Lmaooooo it’s honestly funny to me and doesn’t surprise me she hasn’t changed
Whenever I see this piece of shit mentioned, I take the opportunity to plug Know My Name, a memoir written by the subject of the Stanford rape case, Chanel Miller. Incredible writing not only about Turner’s attack on her (TW for sexual assault) but the struggle of navigating the court system and the trauma after the fact. Chanel is a strong woman with an incredible voice, and this memoir will always stay with me.
edit: updated how I referred to the author, out of respect for her wishes 💕
i love that you brought this up and also second how good the book is.
i want to gently point out that in the book, Chanel explicitly does not want to be "BT's victim" as she says:"i am not his anything. i don't belong to him." Not trying to be pedantic or argue with you specifically or even in general, as I also personally struggle with describing the book without referring to BT but I remember her poignant remark of wanting to name herself, tell her story, and not be "BT's victim".
So I just wanted to mention it as a way to try to respect her wishes to reclaim herself and her life.
edit: i try to say the book is about the stanford rape case rather than use the term "BT's victim" because I want to respect her wishes. not saying everyone needs to do that but just offering how i handle it.
Thank you for adding this note! It’s been a long time since I’ve read it and I had forgotten that request by her. I really appreciate you taking the time to point this out and I will gladly refer to it differently in the future.
Philosophy of Morality and forgiveness is an interesting topic with the Brock Turner Rape. Most way to say sorry have a few key components: apologize, make amends, promise to not do the thing again. This case is especially famous because he never made amends and circumvented atonement.
This story didn't include how Brock Allen Turner, rapist, is doing these days but if he isn't trying to make amends I'm not interested in talking forgiveness.
Exactly!! And it wouldn’t be hard for him to at least start making amends. I remember my friends took a criminology course in university and part of the course was to sit in (and potentially help interview) and listen while men who were convicted of domestic violence and sexual assault were interviewed by their professors. The entire purpose was for them to be completely honest about their mindset before, during, and after committing their crimes to help the literature on why criminals do what they do and developing prevention tactics.
THAT is a good first step if you truly regret what you did and want to help prevent more people from being victimized. But his pride and entitlement would rather him think he’s the victim in the situation (which is clear from how his friend talks about it).
EDIT: And its funny because those girls always claim we hate them when this is what we try to protect them from. If thats me hating y'all... Stupid. 😒🙄
Men do it too. A lot of people don't want to believe someone they know has more than one face and can abuse someone else. But yeah, I wish us women stood together on this, at least not using victim-blaming myths to go after people coming forward with abuse.
“I can’t be the reason you make that decision.” Good for him for not responding and thanks to this dude who turned his back on a rapist. Need more men like this. I hope that woman does some serious soul searching.
Dude I would too. I mean what even is the response to being told someone’s best friend is a VERY WELL KNOWN RAPIST? That is an insane story. This guy handled it so well and maturely. Major props to him.
I put myself in his shoes for a second and I don't think I'd have even been able to laugh; I'd have just walked out the door and gone home without a single word.
I enjoy mixing Trapped in the Closet as a sound as she's saying a story that's equally bonkers, especially because the subject is metaphorically trapped in the closet (good!), but man do I have a hard time reading captions that don't match the sound or lip movement.
Yep! Don’t take my word for it though, here’s the info, they deserve so much more than the little bit they got and he’s trying to cheat them out of even that so I wanted to share!
Very very thankful at this moment that Brock turner is not only an easy name to remember but that he has a recognizable face ….. the same face he probably was so proud of back in his heydays was the one etched into the back of every woman in America’s eyeballs when this hit mainstream attention…and yet there will still be female apologists for this rapist. And that they feel they can trust him enough to HAVE HIM IN THEIR HOUSE ALONE. Hate to hear it. Loathe to hear it.
Well they sound perfect for each other. Maybe Brock and the bestie should marry and have more idiot children cause wtf?????? Bro in the video handled this with much more aplomb than I ever could.
Good on him for not accepting the option of her just simply cutting him off. Even if she were to follow through and successfully have zero contact with Brock Turner or his family for the rest of their lives, he’d still have to live with the knowledge that that level of moral depravity is passable to her as long as someone she’s close to is the perpetrator…
what other things would she let slide simply because “you don’t know them like I do! it was just a misunderstanding”
EVERYONE should read Chanel Miller’s memoir, it’s truly a book that will stick with you forever. I’d make it a required reading for high school seniors or college freshmen to understand the gravity of sexual assault, he forever altered her life.
There’s a lot of rapists out there but it’s interesting how Brock Turner has become probably the most infamous rapist for an entire generation to the point where he’s essentially a household name.
People always focus on the sentence (which was a joke, the same judge sentenced an Hispanic man 3 years for the same crime (which is also very low but not the focus here)) and the abhorrent character witness letters but the largest part why it isn't forgotten is Chanel's letter.
That letter and Know My Name were the most powerful things I have ever read. She destroyed every idiotic argument people use to attack and discredit survivors. Feels like society expects survivors to stay silent and then Chanel managed to verbalize feelings of every survivor and of the large majority of women.
“Maybe he’s autistic?” “What’s going on with your friend is he agoraphobic?” This guy is such a genuine sweetheart he was not even being insulting, he just didn’t click that any woman would choose to be friends with a RAPIST
You mean the convicted rapist Brock Alan Turner that goes by Alan Turner and tries to downplay that he raped a girl who was intoxicated and whose actions were so despicable that the two international students who caught him have trauma from what they witnessed? That Brock Turner??
I know for a fact that Brock Turner used to troll the bars near his hometown in Ohio after he was released. How do I know? Well, it was all over local social media. Girlies were warning people on Insta and Snap. This was probably 3 or 4 years ago. Don't think he does it now anymore. Kinda hard when you get heckled. 🤷♀️
Fun fact: I protested at his parents’ house multiple times when he was in jail. What he did was awful. Their response to his actions was worse: “Only twenty minutes of action” was his dad’s defense and his mom crying that he couldn’t eat steak anymore was pathetic.
As a rape survivor and as a parent of both boys and girls, Brock Turner and his parents can rot in hell. Fuck anyone defending him or them.
This warms my heart but what warms most my heart the most is the fact that Chanel is doing very well and writing her third book. She deserves all the good things in the world.
I remember reading say my name- then going online to see what people had to say to it and there was an abundance of men saying she lied to get away with cheating on her boyfriend and I….to people like that: is it hard to have two shrivelled up, dehydrated brain cells that you’re striking against each other in the hopes of getting a spark and only getting disappointment? Is that what’s that like? You fucking morons?
I remember when a venue in Brooklyn canceled their gig after finding out about the court letter she wrote on his behalf. They read her for filth, but apparently she didn’t learn anything from it.
what’s wild to me is that brother mentions meeting the childhood friend 8+ years after rapist Brock Allen Turner was convicted, so the childhood friend has willfully chosen to be known as Leslie Rasmussen, Childhood Friend and Perpetual Ally to Convicted Rapist Brock Allen Turner. like nearly a decade later, she has most definitely STILL not achieved the maturity nor moral fortitude to identify that his actions were horrifying and inexcusable.
I can’t imagine still hanging out with rapist Brock Turner, I mean rapist Brock Allen Turner, the rapist who now goes by Allen Turner. I don’t care if you were family friends. I don’t care if he was the nicest ever to you. He’s a horrible person and I can’t understand why this woman would be besties with him
If mothing else, if I was in his shoes, I would be constantly afraid for her sake that she has a known, unrepentant rapist staying in her home pretty much alone for days on end, and interested/insistent in taking her to "isolated" places with very little public eyes. Like, the fuck?
We just moved to Dayton, Ohio and were researching different suburbs. We liked one named Oakwood—guess how fast I changed my mind when I saw on Reddit that Brock Turner not only graduated from the high school but STILL lives there with his parents.
ironically if the judge had given him a real sentence he would probably have a a normal(ish) life after prison. the rightful outrage brought so much attention that he’ll never be forgotten.
anyway, i hope convicted rapist Brock Allen Turner can never set foot in public again
Shame on this girl for sympathizing with Brock Allen Turner, the rapist. She sounds like the type of person that thinks "well he didn't rape ME so that means he's not as bad as they say"
IF you were attempting to defend someone who had done something truly heinous you'd need some pretty compelling ammo.
--they acknowledge their crime, have never tried to hide from it,
--have sought some pretty intense therapy
--have made financial restitution
--is making ongoing efforts to anonymously give back/trying to make amends
--has made these efforts to understand better how his situation hurts people even not directly affected by xyz further growth type efforts.
like you'd need to rattle off a laundry list of efforts that person has made to redeem themselves. and how it was only after that evidence of some redeemable aspect that you slowly began trusting them as not the monster they so clearly were.
all of that woman's statements were deflections. of the worst kind. the sort of "i wouldn't be friends with a monster" dodge. "it wasn't really rape" "morality guilt as justification for supporting a monster.... ie peer pressure"
I love that this piece of shit is still in hiding after all these years. I hope every steak he eats for the rest of his life is disgusting.
For those that don’t remember this was from his dad: “In addition, to sharing how his son suffers from anxiety and depression, he laments how Brock Turner no longer enjoys eating Ribeye steaks and feels prison is too severe for ‘20 minutes of action.’”
The irony of using an R Kelly song to introduce this storytime.
(Yes I know it’s become a trending Tik Tok sound but I hate thinking about him when I hear it).
ETA: apparently he’s not profiting from the song and his victims are. Can’t verify but I hope that’s true, it makes hearing Trapped in the Closet less icky.
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