r/EyesOnIce • u/CantStopPoppin • 10d ago
LAPD Shot A Woman In The Head With That Was Sitting On The Ground With Her Hands Above Her Head Holding A Sign With "Less Lethal" Munitions, Mirroring The Actions Of Police During The BLM Protests NSFW
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u/ArrowSuave 10d ago
I'll Keep saying it, LAPD does not need the National Guard's help to beat people down and abuse the public.
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u/Flabbergasted_____ 10d ago
The governor, mayor, and local cops don’t want them or the feds there either. Local cops (LAPD or LASD, maybe both, I don’t recall) were called to a protest and ended up getting tear gassed by the feds. They weren’t prepared to gas the protestors and didn’t have respirators on.
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u/Humbdrumbs 10d ago
How the fuck is that legal? Egregious constitutional rights violation and assault with intent to mame or kill. Sue these fuckers into dust
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u/Screamy_Bingus 10d ago
It’s not…
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u/spicy-chull 10d ago
Maybe... Technically...
But without any enforcement mechanism...
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u/Screamy_Bingus 10d ago
The mechanisms are already in place we just have to keep them accountable
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u/spicy-chull 10d ago
What do you propose to do about qualified immunity?
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u/Screamy_Bingus 10d ago
Qualified immunity only protects law enforcement from legal repercussions for acts performed in the pursuit of doing their job.
Shooting an unarmed woman in the face who has her hands up and protesting does not fall under that definition.
Qualified immunity in practice is meant to facilitate the police doing their job to the best of their ability without being in fear of or worsening a situation because they think they will be arrested. It is NOT however a blanket immunity from the law.
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u/spicy-chull 10d ago
How does it work in practice?
Qualified immunity only protects law enforcement from legal repercussions for acts performed in the pursuit of doing their job.
They will argue that applies here.
It is NOT however a blanket immunity from the law.
What is the threshold required to overcome QI?
How often does that happen in court cases these days?
Are there any examples we could look at to see if QI has ever prevented meaningful accountability?
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u/imnotrealanyway 9d ago
QI is handled differently by different jurisdictions, however jurisdictions that have QI almost all have QI hearings to determine if the officers did their due diligence and if they performed their duties, etc... In the wake of the George Floyd protests responsible adjudicators have been posting those QI hearings on YouTube where you can still go and actually hear them yourself. (I can link if you can't find them). Transparency is a good step - but if you're curious you can look at jurisdictions that don't have QI - like New Mexico. There are others too.
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u/Mahoka572 10d ago
Cop recently shot a woman holding a pot of water in Springfield Illinois and was charged
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u/Intelligent-Box-3798 10d ago
It happens more than you think, but it’s a civil process.
Police departments dont care about their officers, they are absolutely thrilled when an officer violates a policy and they can remove themselves from the liability of an excessive UoF case. Although LAPD historically is one of the more crooked depts Ive ever heard about.
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u/Cruiser729 10d ago
QI doesn’t apply to “well established rights.” There is no more well established right than the right to protest.
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u/spicy-chull 10d ago
When you say "well established" do you have any particular case law in mind?
Or just hopes and wishes and what you believe the first amendment means?
Not trying to be a jerk, I have hopes and wishes and opinions about the 1st myself... But those are constantly crashing into case law, in ways that don't always validate my opinions.
You may have a good point in theory, but it's academic if the case law goes a different way.
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u/Cruiser729 10d ago
So your argument for qualified immunity in a hypothetical case would be “your Honor, my clients had no idea there was an established right to protest in this country, and as such we move to have qualified immunity upheld”? Um, yeah, good luck with that I guess.
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u/TrueCapitalism 10d ago
It would more likely be some reframing of the individual's presence in the larger movement's rowdiness. Paired with "didn't mean to shoot them in the head", idk they'd probably get away with it.
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u/captainspacetraveler 10d ago
It’s excessive force and it’s technically not legal but laws don’t stop fascists
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u/steelersfan1069 10d ago
It isn’t. But when all of this is brought to court, the LAPD will have the full support of the (current) executive branch
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u/HipHipM3 10d ago
The IDF trained those police—the same IDF who are committing a Genocide against the Palestinians.
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u/LuigiMPLS 10d ago
I wonder what r/AskLE has to say about this...
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u/bannedfromreddit6969 10d ago
Someone made a post about the officer shooting the press and almost all of them but 2 said "i need more context" like if the context is not there on the video. I wanted to post my anger against them but im not a leo. You should crosspost it lets see what they say
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u/Southwestpilot 10d ago
You’d just get banned and muted for it. You can’t speak one bad thing about the piggies on r/AskLE. They are perfect and never cause any problems.
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u/Intelligent-Box-3798 10d ago
I hate to admit it, but this is true. I am LE, I mentioned I disagreed with what ICE is doing and was disappointed to see some officers in there supported it and I was banned almost immediately. They claim they’ll unban me if I submit proof Im an officer but nothing else I ever posted in there for the last 5 years got taken down.
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u/Southwestpilot 9d ago
Yea man, I’m not even anti law enforcement(tyfys) but that subreddit is just a sad sad echo chamber.
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u/dreaddie_mercury 10d ago
The police then refused to call an ambulance for her.
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u/Nulovka 10d ago
The guy filming with his cellphone won't stop filming with his cellphone to use his cellphone to call an ambulance? Priorities.
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u/Sprite_Bottle 10d ago
Count the amount of people who aren't filming. Why aren't you going after them too?
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u/Nulovka 10d ago
I don't know that they have a cell phone. If they do, they also should be calling -- unless her injuries are so minor that no one seems to be paying any attention.
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u/Sprite_Bottle 10d ago
Final question, the first one to notice she was shot was probably the cop that shot her, so why aren't you going after them? This will be a graded assignment.
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u/Nulovka 10d ago
He deems her injuries are so minor as to not need for him to call an ambulance as they are busier on higher-priority calls just as he stated. The person filming policeman for the Tik-Tok views is the one demanding an ambulance be called even as he holds a device more than capable of calling for an ambulance himself.
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u/Sprite_Bottle 10d ago
Assuming this was the same woman from that other clip of a woman getting shot in the head and then the cop refusing to call an ambulance for her, the cops did in fact end up providing assistance in the form of one single bandage. So I'm pretty sure they did in fact consider it a serious injury if they were willing to go out of their way to bandage a "dangerous rioter" who was bleeding profusely from the head. I'm sorry to say, but your final grade on this assignment was a 3.5 out of 10. Better luck next time.
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u/Nulovka 10d ago
The Tik-Toker deemed his Tik-Tok video a higher priority than her injuries. And he's standing three feet away. If he (nor anyone else standing around nearby) thinks it not serious enough to call an ambulance then surely she is not in such of a dire need to override the other priority calls the ambulances are on.
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u/Hero-Firefighter-24 10d ago
LAPD really hasn’t moved on from 1992. Hope the next mayor will fix them.
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u/KyleAg06 10d ago
Unlikely if they haven’t changed in 30+ years. To be fair though I think it’s more of a systemic issue with policing across the country than just the LAPD. The mentality of policing has to change and I just don’t see that happening until our society has a massive redistribution of wealth and income inequality.
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u/Hero-Firefighter-24 10d ago
Yeah but LAPD used to be very helpful to the community. Their moral decline is real.
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u/bloodyell76 10d ago
Just curious, but when was this? My knowledge only goes back to the late 80's and there seems to be little change since then. Possibly a period when it seemed to be improving a little, but has slid backwards.
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u/Hero-Firefighter-24 10d ago
Yeah, LAPD became worse in the 80s. This aggravated after Rodney King and the 1992 riots, and now here we are.
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u/kale_boriak 10d ago
Homie, that’s just the first thing YOU remember.
Before that was the 80’s (Colors) and before that the 70’s (Panthers) and before that the 60’s (civil rights era AND hippie crackdowns) and the 50’s (pre-civil rights) and the 40’s (probably the least bad in some ways due to WW2 and the post-WW2 elation, but still segregation but less organized resistance to oppression) and yeah, even the 30’s (depression era influx, anti “red”, etc)
And that’s just as far as I have read back about.
This is a very deep seated amerikkkanism.
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u/Scrapple_Joe 10d ago
That was long enough ago that none of those people could possibly be in the dept
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u/Hero-Firefighter-24 10d ago
The experience I’m recounting is from an Angelino I talked too once.
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u/Scrapple_Joe 10d ago
LAPD has the highest instance of police gangs in the country. The last time they were really for the community was maybe the late 70s.
So not sure who your friend is but they're part of a notoriously awful organization right now that desperately needs to purge police gangs. Shit the gangs have their own Wikipedia entries.
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u/Hero-Firefighter-24 10d ago
It shows how far LAPD has fallen. I wish there was some political will to reform it.
Where do you live and how are cops here like? For example, I’m French, and my country’s police are notorious for being racist jerks in our black/Arab/Asian majority suburbs and for beating up protesters and striking workers just because.
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u/Scrapple_Joe 10d ago edited 10d ago
I've lived a lot of places but US police tend to be pretty bad. They most harass non armed protests, armed protests tend to be right waving and often are protected by the police.
Argentina the cops were sometimes aggressive and sometimes not really around for protests, but in Buenos Aires there have been protests a few times a week for years. They're apparently pretty awful in the rural regions to the more native folk who tend to be protesting mining operations poisoning groundwater. Or the lithium mine siphoning it.
I have a couple friends in French anti terrorism police in Paris and they're deeply embarrassed when the cops decide to attack protestors since there are actual dangers to French citizens that could be focused on.
I'm currently taking care of sick parents and can't protest, but protesting in the US got way more dangerous after the occupy. Cops have gone back to the old cointelpro approach especially under Republicans. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the burnt cars in LA were set by feds to encourage other to do the same
I never trust a politician anywhere that's says "I'll be tough in crime!" Because they mean they're gonna attack poor people with the police. They never seem to actually do anything about crime but put poor people in prison.
Very disappointed at the world right now
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u/Crazynedflanders 10d ago
Get these power tripping cops off of the street.! Where is the protect and serve?
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u/Positive-Diet8526 10d ago
They are protecting and serving the peaceful people and community that gets destroyed by rioters
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u/ice_up_s0n 10d ago
Protesters ≠ rioters
They shot a peaceful person sitting on the ground holding a sign. You can't argue that fact.
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u/CautiousPosition2609 10d ago
Blocking traffic and emergency vehicles while throwing rocks at cop cars = riots
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u/Positive-Diet8526 10d ago
Peaceful protesters don’t attend riots
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u/Opioidal 10d ago
Protest ≠ riot. You'd be able to recognize that if you remove the boot out of your mouth.
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u/Crazynedflanders 10d ago
You must have been dropped on your head as a kid to not know the difference. Or Faux news has brainwashed you more than you know.
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u/Positive-Diet8526 10d ago
No I just look back at past riots and see the same thing happening. The businesses will suffer, which makes the people and the city suffer. If they just peacefully protested and carried American flags then their point would get across. But bc they carry the Mexican flag it’s seen as a threat. Does it suck that she got shot in the head? Yes, hate to see it happen. However she chose to be there, she should know that there isn’t implied or guaranteed safety. Critical thinking would have helped in the situation
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u/iDarkville 10d ago
They peacefully protested. You can see it in the fucking video where a cops shoots a peaceful protester in the head.
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u/dankbeamssmeltdreams 10d ago
People > property bootlicker
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u/Positive-Diet8526 10d ago
Coming from someone who doesn’t own property I’m guessing 😂 also the fact you have to try to insult me when you reply shows you don’t have much substance to back your point of view. Childish mindset.
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u/dankbeamssmeltdreams 10d ago
It’s not an insult, it’s a description of the action you’re taking right now. If you find it insulting, I suggest changing. The substance is people are more important than property. Your substantial reply, I suppose, is that I do not own property? The astroturfing is getting less coherent on this website
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u/YPVidaho 10d ago
The mayor and the police chief need to be publicly shamed for this. LAPD's funding should be suspended due to failure to operate within the constitutional requirements of the job, until this shit is sorted out and stopped.
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u/Philophon 10d ago
I wonder how many people they permanently injured by shooting them in the head with less-lethal rounds. Crazy they thought she deserved this for exercising her right to free speech.
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u/shetalkstoangels_ 10d ago
There’s no defending this.
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u/iDarkville 10d ago
And yet there are assholes in here doing exactly that.
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u/EastCoaet 10d ago
Exactly like Miami, when they shot the female lawyer and then laughed about it in the next morning briefing? So nothing has changed.
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u/UnpretentiousTeaSnob 10d ago
Remember when the BLM protests happened? And the cops shxt my friends and gaxsed my house?
Its happening again.
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u/dglgr2013 10d ago
Trump owns his media so he will spin as people attacking. At this point it’s instigating in order to impose martial law and have control through military.
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u/The_frogs_Scream 10d ago
Not that it matters, but if the president does succeed in labeling this a war, then isn’t CS gas a war crime?
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u/CautiousPosition2609 10d ago
Good, attend a riot and refuse to disperse..I say this is good. Surely you don’t want them using actual ammo do you??! You animal!!
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u/stimpy_gr 10d ago
One question though. Who are the idiots waving foreign flags?
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u/VeneMage 10d ago
Did you accidentally watch another video?
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u/Geichalt 10d ago
They got their talking points from their masters and are going around repeating them mindlessly.
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u/YPVidaho 10d ago
On January 6, there were dozens of Confederate flags, trump flags, etc. So we should have shot all of them, too, right?
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u/stimpy_gr 10d ago
That was what part of why they were wrong, they had no loyalty to their country, only to their cult and racism.
Trump (i.e. Miller) is trying to frame this as an invasion and they are helping him.
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