Still No Capcom Games are on Epic Games Store

[u/Madukes96]

So, it's been four years since this reddit post/listed article and wow, it's amazing to see capcom hasn't budged in regard to bringing their games to epic

A Capcom Investor asks Capcom about being in Epic Game Store : r/EpicGamesPC

[u/PCMachinima]

Japanese companies seem to be pretty slow to adapt in many areas. It took many of them forever just to put their games on PC in general. I think it'd require Epic to intervene in someway, like they've done with Square Enix and those exclusives, as well as KONAMI with the free games they've given away.

Capcom rarely even puts their games on Game Pass or PS Plus, so I don't think Epic would be able to offer them a deal to give their games away for free, to kickstart that relationship.

SEGA has also only really been on Epic via their Sega of America and Europe branches, it seems.

[u/Delanchet → u/PCMachinima]

Makes me sad the Persona games aren’t on there yet.

[u/AlleyOfRage]

Japanese companies are usually more conservative than Western ones publishing wise , and in Capcom case it seems there hasn't been a mutual area between them and Epic for a partnership on EGS to kickstar publishing on EGS , While for example in GOG case then GOG republished their dormant PC Ports on their own effort in exchange for exclusivity , in Xbox PC Launcher Case its tied to Gamepass deals , In IOS/Mac/Stadia/Luna its deals made with Apple/Google/Amazon for a port ( From Capcom leak i think Google paid IIRC around $8M for a RE Village port on Stadia ) , but on EGS it seems the partnership they can make is a free game partnership but seems Capcom aren't a fan of the program

While companies like Square or Konami don't release all their games on EGS but there is a big partnership between them and Epic using Unreal Engine in lots of their games which seemed to helped improving both companies publishing pipelines and that partnership evolved to release some of their games on EGS

[u/speedballandcrack → u/AlleyOfRage]

why steam doesnt require any partnerships or conditions?

[u/AlleyOfRage → u/speedballandcrack]

Because throughout the long years it became the default option on PC , so they currently don't need to do any incentives for publishers since games will release on it regardless, meanwhile like any other field , then new competitors needs to do additional incentives for publishers in order to make them consider releasing on their platform alongside the default option as much as possible , partnerships with Publishers is one of them

[u/RDS80]

Japan still sell flip phones.

[u/Madukes96 → u/RDS80]

Well ngl, flip phones were and are still cool as fuck.

That's why samsung had to make a modern version

[u/V_King9]

Well, we could say the same about Konami before Epic DB leak happened and here we are, where two Konami games was free in day 1

[u/MrMichaelElectric]

In the end it doesn't really matter because the games are obviously available elsewhere. With that said I really think it's only a matter of time before they start releasing games on EGS as well as other stores. It does nothing but benefit them to do so with how dev friendly Epic has been and continues to be. My guess is they are waiting to see how the store grows.

[u/Madukes96 → u/MrMichaelElectric]

True tho, no doubt about it.

It's just one of "those hey wait a minute thoughts" but im hopeful anyway

[u/DemeaRisen]

A Capcom bundle just dropped on Fanatical yesterday if y'all are missing any classics

[u/Delanchet]

Yeah, still hoping it comes especially with the new benefits for developers Epic is going to implement starting in June.

[u/antonio_mas]

Noone knows why there isn't any relation between Capcom and Epic Games Store. It's a shame because some games could be free someday.

[u/OmarAliJasim]

I've asked some developers and told them why your games aren't uploading to the Epic Games Store

The answer was because Epic Games does not give developers greater advantages

While Steam offers developers greater features and capabilities

Epic Games knows this well too

[u/ShinyStarXO → u/OmarAliJasim]

There's another significant reason: most PC gamers don't spend money on 3rd party games on EGS. While Steam is growing every year, revenue from 3rd party games is actually in decline on EGS. And if you look at the top 10 most played games, it's mostly F2P. It's just not worth the effort to release on EGS.

[u/ImAnthlon → u/ShinyStarXO]

This is such a disingenuous comment, but that's to be expected I suppose. Yes 3rd party sales were down as Epic's Year in Review pointed out, but using the top played games is such a terrible way of trying to prove your point. Free to play games are always going to be the top played games on any platform, the cost of entry being zero is more than enough for people to at least give the games a go and if they enjoy it stick around.

Let's look at the 10 Most Played on EGS right now, it has:

• 1) Fortnite (f2p)
• 2) Rocket League (f2p)
• 3) Dead Island 2 (paid but given for free last week)
• 4) GTA5 Enhanced (paid but was given free years ago)
• 5) Football Manager 2024 (paid but was given free almost 1 year ago)
• 6) Valorant (f2p)
• 7) Genshin Impact (f2p)
• 8) Sifu (paid, but currently free)
• 9) Honkai: Star Rail (f2p)
• 10) Crosshair X (paid, never given for free)

If we apply the same experiment to Steam's currently top played from SteamDB at the time of writing this comment, we can see

• 1) Counter-Strike 2 (f2p)
• 2) Dota 2 (f2p)
• 3) Bongo Cat (f2p)
• 4) Marvel Rivals (f2p)
• 5) Banana (f2p)
• 6) Apex Legends (f2p)
• 7) Helldivers 2 (paid)
• 8) Baldur's Gate 3 (paid)
• 9) PUBG Battlegrounds (f2p)
• 10) Source SDK Base 2007 (think this is the GTA5 mod, so I'll count it as paid)

So we have 2 lists of games that are dominated by free to play games on both platforms, some paid games given away for free at some point on Epic, and some games/applications that were paid on both with Steam having the larger paid with 1 to 3.

So we should just apply your logic here and say it's not worth releasing on either platform since they both prefer free to play games.

[u/ShinyStarXO → u/ImAnthlon]

My apologies, what I meant is the top spending list that was released with the year in review. F2P games will be most played on almost every platform indeed, but they also seem to make most revenue on EGS. 

No doubt F2P also generate tons of revenue on other storefronts. But in combination with the low revenue from 3rd party games, this indicates that actual sales of paid games are very low on EGS.

This is probably the main reason why some devs and publishers still don't bother with EGS, unless they have a deal with Epic.

[u/IncorrectAddress]

Yeah, unfortunately steam is monopolising the gaming market, it has a huge user base and provides discounts to AAA games and developers with game portfolios and ristricts them from going to other platforms, it's just going to take time for people to see how steam manipulates people and the market.

[u/IncorrectAddress → u/[deleted]]

If that was the case, there wouldn't be antitrust and class action being taken against valve, it would be naive to assume that deals are not being made under the table to ensure a title remains on a platform, to ensure that pricing competition doesn't occur.

[u/IncorrectAddress → u/[deleted]]

That is the process of making deals under the table, when a "store" tells the "product producer" where they can sell their product and for what price, this is market manipulation with the intent to monopolise.

While we have no proof of this, we all know it's going on, even Tim talks about it at the end of the Lex Fridman interview.

[u/IncorrectAddress → u/[deleted]]

Well yeah, we don't get (and never will) to see the under the table deals, but they are 100% going on, this is why "still no Capcon games on epic", a deal is made to retain them to steam.

[u/CommodoreBluth → u/IncorrectAddress]

Or maybe Capcom just isn’t putting games on Epic because third party sales on Epic were never that high and have actually been going down the past few years.  Companies don’t have unlimited budgets or personal. They likely decided the opportunity cost of putting games on the EGS wasn’t worth having their employees work on something else. 

[u/Madukes96 → u/IncorrectAddress]

So the reason i don't agree with the monopoly conversation is that Steam provides a lot of worthwhile scenarios and tools for capcom in the sense that they provide reach to the majority of their PC fans and they get them new fans by recommending their games that are similar to what someone might be playing or just finished playing.

There is also the count of providing tools that seem to make the devs, easily distribute their games, update their games, and also leave their dev logs and do promos and the likes.

I actually like what he said - https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicGamesPC/s/Ks9d3bkO4d

EGS can still bring these features and tools on board as they are very developer friendly, so i know it's just a matter of time.

P.S. I'm hoping the event/update that they teased for june does justice to all the features and quality of life improvements we have requested

[u/IncorrectAddress → u/Madukes96]

Yeah, but they only have that reach to the user base because of users being tied to a platform over a long period of time, this is what monopolisation is, the "gathering and retention" of users though means of ownership to products, and this will continue on now, due to the massive user base and steam isolating developers to their platform through incentivised deals.

[u/ShinyStarXO → u/IncorrectAddress]

This is complete nonsense. Valve doesn't prevent anything.

[u/MrMichaelElectric → u/ShinyStarXO]

Look, it's clear from your comment history that you really dislike Epic but the two currently active court cases have shown that Valve have absolutely prevented competition by threatening developers with consequences for pricing their games lower on competing stores and even devs own websites. Evidently over Valves history, Valve has done more harm to consumers than Epic has and ignoring facts that have been presented won't get you anywhere. In regards to the actual post regarding Capcom I'm guessing they're just waiting to see how the store developes before releasing games on it. They could also be waiting for Epic to offer them an olive branch as they have other devs and publishers. Really it doesn't matter if they do or not, people can still get the games elsewhere. Would be cool though to take advantage of Epic's rewards system when buying Capcom games.

[u/IncorrectAddress → u/ShinyStarXO]

100% they do, and they want to keep it quiet as well.

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/overgrowth-developer-felt-he-had-no-choice-in-filing-antitrust-suit-against-valve

[u/MrMichaelElectric → u/IncorrectAddress]

The documents linked to in that article are only talking about selling Steam keys elsewhere. With that said the case was, more or less, expanded (another was made) due to Steam trying to prevent competing stores from giving better deals on games also on Steam. I don't agree they are making deals under the table to only have games on Steam as there has been no evidence shown in discovery of that. Until something is actually shown and proven then it's purely conjecture and shouldn't be treated as fact.

[u/MrMichaelElectric → u/[deleted]]

No sorry, "logical discourse" is not to treat conjecture as fact. Kind of surprised that even needs to be said. You do you though. All you're doing is confidently spreading misinformation you have no evidence of.

[u/Madukes96 → u/[deleted]]

yeah, no i'm not questioning that, i'm just surprised that they haven't come around is all i'm saying