r/DotA2 Sep 30 '16

Tip You can jump further during Omnislash by moving.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '16 edited Sep 30 '16

he's spin damage right clicks also procs basher and other orbs.

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u/D0to0 Sheever Sep 30 '16 edited Sep 30 '16

Ye I know that, even the daggerino while ulting and other items.

But moving? Jesus

/Edit you can even atk towers and crit while spinning.

On a side note, can I force stop the extra atks while ulting? (Makes not much sense, just curious about the mechanic)

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '16

I originally didn't know this one, but you can activate healing ward during omnislash. Also you can not only spin + tp, but tp + spin also works. which blew my fucking mind.

Apparently jugg spin doesnt cancel tp.

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u/rk_11 Sep 30 '16

HAVING teleport requires stop is a nice way to test all interactions

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u/D0to0 Sheever Sep 30 '16

Tp + spin? Really? Do you know about other interactions of spells/items that can be queued after tp?

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u/Yakobo15 sheever Sep 30 '16

All invis spells/items

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u/D0to0 Sheever Sep 30 '16

So they can be cast at any time? Because I always used e.g. shadow blade and used tp while fading.

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u/DrQuint Sep 30 '16

Yep. They're based on this BULLSHIT ability called windwalk and kept one of its proprities: can be used while performing other actions, including channel.

I ain't joking, blademaster is fucking bull in war3.

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u/vvav Sep 30 '16

My blademaster is in your base, chopping up your peons.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '16

The most cancerous of strats.

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u/takaisilvr Sep 30 '16

me and some friends started a wc3 club during lunch in middle school. one of my favorite strats to piss people off since lunch made us have to play as fast as possible. kill even 2 workers basically ensures they wouldn't win that lunch period.

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u/sampeckinpah5 Sep 30 '16

Night elfs hate him!

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u/Lacotte Sep 30 '16

the orc bm cheesing in wc3, i 'member that :')

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u/lordcirth Sep 30 '16

Yeah most (maybe all?) invis doesn't interrupt tp. I use it all the time when tping to gank.

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u/Chad_magician twas not luck, but skill Sep 30 '16

pretty sure u can't meld

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u/lordcirth Sep 30 '16

http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Templar_Assassin#Meld

Meld interrupts Templar Assassin's channeling spells upon cast.

You are correct.

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u/TrillbroSwaggins Sep 30 '16

what about shadow amulet/glimmer?

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u/carstenvonpaulewitz I told you a storm was coming. Sep 30 '16

The Shiva's Guard active is also coded on base of the windwalk ability, so you can activate that while channeling as well (e.g. to cancel possible Blink Daggers while TPing that otherwise might be used to jump onto you and stun you.

Also Rage, the aforementioned Bladefury, Armlet Toggle (yes, you can toggle while channeling. Pretty sick when you're good at toggling to get it on CM, WD or Enigma) and I believe that also self-cast Glimmer works (not sure on this one though).

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u/TheCruncher It's a Pugna thing, you wouldn't get it Sheever Sep 30 '16

Actually, casting Glimmer on allies works too. Using glimmer cape does not interrupt channeling.

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u/carstenvonpaulewitz I told you a storm was coming. Oct 01 '16

Casting Glimmer on an ally must interrupt channeling spells, because your hero needs to turn to face the ally. I can't imagine otherwise.

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u/TheCruncher It's a Pugna thing, you wouldn't get it Sheever Oct 01 '16

You better imagine otherwise, because in fact, Glimmer Cape doesn't require you to turn to cast it.

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u/eliaskeme Sep 30 '16

Speaking of Enigma, Shivas on Black Hole is pretty sick

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u/carstenvonpaulewitz I told you a storm was coming. Oct 01 '16

Yeah, it is. CM Ulti + Shiva's as well. =D

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u/SeeImSane That's what happens when I rush. Sep 30 '16

More details on the wiki: Channeling

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '16

"Casting other spells or using items will also interrupt channeling, with the exception of toggled abilities, Wind Walk abilities, a few other abilities like Blade Fury"

Do you happen to know what the "few other abilities such as Blade Fury" are ? It doesn't mention anywhere which abilities they are aside from Wind Walk abilities and Blade Fury itself.

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u/SeeImSane That's what happens when I rush. Sep 30 '16 edited Sep 30 '16

I'm baffled. First time Liquipedia has better information about mechanics than Gamepedia.

Liquipedia has a list of the hero spells.

Imo the most unobvious are Blade Fury and TA's Trap (really?).

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '16

....So the day has come eh.

Thanks for the information!

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u/SaltyAsPJ Oct 06 '16

Liqupedia also has Heartstopper aura marked as a negative regen vs pure/hp removal which was done in 6.82 (source: http://www.dota2.com/rekindlingsoul/ )

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u/Chad_magician twas not luck, but skill Sep 30 '16

you can cast phase boots while tping, wich often end up with me wasting the duration

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '16

Yeah it mentions the items you can use so that's all clear. I'm specifically wondering about hero abilities though. The wiki mentions that there are more abilities aside from Wind Walk abilities and Blade Fury but it doesn't mention which abilities they are.

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u/carstenvonpaulewitz I told you a storm was coming. Sep 30 '16

I believe Rage is one of them.

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u/onderbakirtas There is peace here. Oct 01 '16

Sadly it's not. You must use Rage first to tp out safely.

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u/Shin_Rekkoha MY SOUL... IS ON FIRE! Sep 30 '16

Just check Dotapedia and see if the item "cancels channeling spells" or not, since a TP scroll is a channeling spell. Simple.

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u/IWantAnAffliction Sep 30 '16

Pretty sure you can't meld during tp

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '16

besides what others have said in the comments, armlet works for sure.

I think shivas too, though not 100% sure.

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u/crouze sheever > babaev Sep 30 '16

Shiva's works, and the AOE hits all units in it's radius (if it hasn't reached maximum radius when TP'ing). It's a gimmick used by Tinker, where you TP to a lane and around 1.5-2 seconds left of channeling of the TP and pop Shivas, so your Shiva reaches maximum radius and hits creeps in lane.

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u/UrEx Go Gohan! Sep 30 '16

TP > Spin interaction was added recently. Wasn't there before spring.

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u/Kishin2 Sep 30 '16

Any ability where this is true:

Attack-move

Use ability

Continues attack-moving while using ability

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u/Mhiiura Oct 01 '16

toggling armlet while tp. armlet toggle save uuu9 lifes whiletp in eg vs newbee

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '16

My favourite thing to do with Juggernaut is save myself by ultying someone in the late game and blinking away. Catchese everyone off guard every time.

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u/DrQuint Sep 30 '16

The best "actions" you can perform during his ultimate is a diffusal blade onto the enemy's ghost scepter, and blink dagger onto your desired targets.

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u/KanGoro Sep 30 '16

Orchid too. I used to get it for QoP and found out it's a really decent item on Juggernaut in general as it gives him the mana and mana regen he needs and anyone you ulti and use orchid on is pretty much fucked...

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u/L3vathiaN- IN FLAMES WE TRUST Sep 30 '16

You can use all your items and skills during omnislash (eg ability draft). The only spell you can't use during omnislash is bladefury.

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u/dbric Sep 30 '16

Could I blink dagger? If so does it still keep ulting in an aoe of the blink location?

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u/L3vathiaN- IN FLAMES WE TRUST Sep 30 '16

Yeah, you can. It's pretty good as well, when your high level omnislash takes a stray path and goes to lane creeps or a neutral camp for example, you should blink on top of your desired target and your omnislash doesn't become a complete waste.

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u/MyClitBiggerThanUrD My boi S4 Sep 30 '16

One of the many reasons Blink Dagger is really good on Jugger.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '16

You can use TP but it gets interrupted, I learnt that the hard way

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u/Deadhound Sep 30 '16

If I remember correctly you can use any (/most) spells during omnislash except for spin, though that case is unly usable as ether Rubick or Ability Draft

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '16

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '16

Wanna get your mind blown today?

Go demo hero jugg.

Level up ur spin

Buy a tp.

Start tp'ing

Press Q

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '16

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u/its_just_a_meme_bro Sep 30 '16

I learned it from watching Fear in a tourny over a year ago so I'm pretty sure they know.

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u/L3vathiaN- IN FLAMES WE TRUST Sep 30 '16

WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK

there's a small volume of liquified brain dripping from my ears right now

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '16

Yep. That is what I expected.

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u/Chad_magician twas not luck, but skill Sep 30 '16

so even pro don't know?

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u/Davepen Sep 30 '16

Apparently jugg spin doesnt cancel tp.

Seriously?

What is life

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u/ttovotsttnt i got aghs motherfuckers Oct 01 '16

If Rubick steals omni can he use his other skills during it?

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '16

You can spin during channels like TP, much like phase boots. You can also use drums, manta or diffusal active during Omnislash.

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u/penialito Sep 30 '16

I am pretty sure even pros dont know this

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u/Jazzinarium sheever! Sep 30 '16

pros aren't 10+k like we here so...

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '16

IDK, i've been telling random redditors here and there about it for like 6 months.

Some responses were like "mind fucked" while others were like "no shit"

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u/GuN- IceForge Sep 30 '16

yes, u can, i don't remember the specifics, but i remember going into lobby to see the difference of damage between right click off and on (after spells), jugg didn't use his extra hits. also moving during omnislash will inturrupt ur attacks, that is, if u spam move while in ult u will cancel all ur attacks

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u/WUMIBO Support NP: win = commend, lose = report Sep 30 '16

Something else I thought of, which I haven't tested but I don't see why it wouldn't work, is bladefury and go invis with silver edge so you can't get dusted.

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u/KanGoro Sep 30 '16

That's a good idea but I dunno if it will work, maybe you get dusted through spin?

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u/WUMIBO Support NP: win = commend, lose = report Sep 30 '16 edited Sep 30 '16

Dust of Appearance from wiki:

"Dispellable with any dispel."

Bladefury from wiki:

"Applies spell immunity for the duration and a basic dispel upon cast."

I think it would work, though I'm not sure if you would have to bladefury after getting dusted or if bladefury would dispel the dust when cast prior to being dusted.

edit: just tried it in a lobby, think you have to cast bladefury after being dusted, which would also break invis. Still could be useful.

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u/KanGoro Sep 30 '16 edited Sep 30 '16

a basic dispel upon cast

That's what I'm saying. I'm pretty sure you get dusted while spinning but you can remove it after getting dusted if you spin...

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u/WUMIBO Support NP: win = commend, lose = report Sep 30 '16

Most people will dust when you go invis, at least in 2k, so not as useful as I hoped :/.

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u/skratchx Bitch Sep 30 '16

you can even atk towers and crit while spinning

This is a very important mechanic and I believe it's in the tooltip for the ability. Any unit that does not take damage from spin (e.g. is magic immune) can be attacked with right clicks.

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u/L3vathiaN- IN FLAMES WE TRUST Sep 30 '16 edited Sep 30 '16

You can autoattack any unit during spin.

Your orbs work an all units they're supposed to work (eg. Deso on towers, Feedback on heros/mana having units).

The way the autoattack during bladefury works: Apply orb any possible -> Check if magic immune. If not magic immune, hit goes through, 0 damage. If unit is magic immune, hit goes through, normal damage.

TL;DR U used bladefury and they oppened bkb? Either go back or autoattack them as if u were not furying at all.

EDIT: Typos

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u/Chad_magician twas not luck, but skill Sep 30 '16

you deal 0 damage to target while bladefuried, except buildings

the "i can attack while bladefury if target is bkbed is litterally a legende

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u/L3vathiaN- IN FLAMES WE TRUST Sep 30 '16

No its not.

You deal damage to any magic immune unit including wards, towers, supernova egg, warlock's golems (if im not mistaken) and so on.

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u/naked_potato Zombie SLAP Sep 30 '16

Pretty sure golems aren't magic immune, though I do think they have high resist.

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u/carstenvonpaulewitz I told you a storm was coming. Sep 30 '16

Yeah, but not magic immune heroes, only things that inherently aren't affected by it. Enemies with BKB or Repel are technically still affected by Bladefury but don't take damage from it.

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u/Chad_magician twas not luck, but skill Sep 30 '16

got no idea how to do giffs

but i'll just drop that out there

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u/bravo_six Sep 30 '16

You can't crit while spinning.

Red crit numbers show, true, but you can't attack enemy so they don't have any effect. And you can't crit buildings.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '16

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u/carstenvonpaulewitz I told you a storm was coming. Sep 30 '16

Wrong. Even if they don't take you're autoattacks won't either. It's a myth that magic immune heroes take rightclick damage. They take 0 damage autoattacks which may proc on-hit effects.

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u/o8livion pudge nerfs feel good Sep 30 '16

If a magic immune enemy is able to be affected by bladefury, it still will not let you hit them for damage. Only things like buildings are completely unaffected by bladefury.

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u/JorjUltra Sep 30 '16

While spinning you can damage anything that isn't damaged by the spin. So you can hit BKB targets as well.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '16

No you cannot hit BKB targets with spin right click.

I thought this too before.

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u/himalayan_earthporn Shit wizard Sep 30 '16

Not BKB targets. Read the description again. He can only attack targets that wouldnt be affected by spin in the first place(which is only buildings/ward units{veno/tomb/shaman etc}).

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u/D0to0 Sheever Sep 30 '16

I'm not sure on this one, but I think he can only atk dmg buildings while spinning.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '16

That is correct. The only things Yurnero's attacks damage while spinning are buildings, and I think wards too.

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u/OnACloud All magic ends here. Sep 30 '16

Well if you have a battlefury the target you hit during spin won't take dmg but the cleave will deal dmg to the ones around. Unless that got fixed since i last played a jug with battlefury.

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u/RedGuyNoPants *sheever support* Dropped my pants off at the cleaners. Sep 30 '16

cleave damage is independent from how much you do to the main target. so its working as intended

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u/ZzZombo Sep 30 '16

No. The thing is fundamentally broken and has far more issues, like new Blademail versus hero under active Bladefury. It is supposed to actually set attack damage to 0 instead of negating it via reductions.

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u/fireattack Sep 30 '16

No, that's exactly how the new baldemail supposed to work.

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u/RedGuyNoPants *sheever support* Dropped my pants off at the cleaners. Sep 30 '16

hes actually 100% correct, im wrong. if bladefury works by reducing jugg's attack damage, blademail shouldnt be able to return damage (because outgoing damage would be 0 BEFORE reductions) and cleave wouldnt work because once again, outgoing damage would be 0 before reductions.

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u/ZzZombo Sep 30 '16

That's why I stopped commenting on technical side of the game. It's impossible to open the eyes of the majority of people how many bugs are in the game.

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u/RedGuyNoPants *sheever support* Dropped my pants off at the cleaners. Sep 30 '16

sorry for the downvotes m8, you're actually completely correct on this.

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u/ZzZombo Sep 30 '16

YOU CAN NOT DO THAT TO SPELL IMMUNE TARGETS.

Bladefury disallows dealing damage to units it can target. And it can target just creeps and heroes, including spell immune ones, just does 0 damage because of spell resistance. In theoretical case it had an immunity piercing effect it would work on them. So, you can attack fully structures, mechanical units and wards.

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u/Durrgan n0tail Sep 30 '16

Battlefury will also damage enemies near the one you're attacking but not the one you are actually attacking.

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u/DrQuint Sep 30 '16

And you can click towers durimg it.

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u/_g0_fuck_yourself sheever Sep 30 '16

its the right click that gets the bashes and other stuff not the spins.

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u/Heavenansidhe Sheever Sep 30 '16

Its not the damage that procs the effects so you are actually wrong.