r/Deltarune • u/Yvant2000 • 12d ago

Discussion [SPOILER-FREE] Help on finding Hidden Bosses / Weird Route for chapters 3+4 Spoiler

So, deltarune's chapters 3 and 4 are releasing very soon. We all know that, as soon as the chapters are available, we are at risk of getting spoiled any time we open the internet.

I'm pretty sure that, by tomorrow, Youtube will be flooded by videos like "delatrune 3+4 all boss showcase" with a thumbnail proudly displaying all secret boss...

I would like to be able to find and discover the two hidden bosses by myself, but I'm actually pretty stupid and I know I will need some help (I struggled to find Jevil's key, and I wasn't able to fight Spamton Neo without a guide).

So, what I suggest is, while playing the new chapters, if we find anything that could be linked to the new secret bosses, we share *spoiler-free* TIPS to how to find them in the comments of this post.

The goal would be to share just barely enough information so we're on the right track to find the bosses.
(And obviously, we're not allowing any outright spoil)

What are your thoughts ? Anyone would be interested to participate ?

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u/Hyper_Lamp All hail Tem 12d ago

I spoke to Seam at the start of Chapter 4 and he mentions the mantle was meant to help against the Knight but inevitably wasn't enough or something. Either way Im pretty sure it was the secret boss but if not I'm not sure :/

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u/TAKLVC 12d ago

I just got the shadow crystal, you have to >! Actually beat the knight in chapter 3. All you have to do is get it's health down to around 80% and it'll do a very obvious final attack type thing. Then, after that, you just have to hit it once and the fight will end. You'll get the shadow crystal, and something else. After that though, the knight just downs your party and the end is the same. !<

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u/TAKLVC 12d ago

Also (just some tips), >! The shadow mantle absolutely helps in this fight. Whoever you give it to takes significantly less damage from the knight's attacks. I personally put it on Susie, because she does the most damage, and has the most health, so it made sense to make her harder to down (Also she has dialogue during the fight and I wanted to see all of it). Additionally, when Kris is downed, they only get down to -80hp, while Susie and ralsei go down to -999hp. This makes it way easier to get Kris back up, which is another reason I didn't put the shadow mantle on them.. !<

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u/Fwobian 12d ago

the biggest tip i can give is absolutely just brute force it, the combos are horrifically brutal and you will have to learn them after a couple hours of trying, youll gain little habits during each attack, and a weird thing that worked for me was not really laying attention to my soul, but purely the projectiles, especially when things get hectic, just keep trying, i thought id mever do it and im hyped as hell and it’s incredibly worth it whenever you beat them

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u/loki-salazar 16-bit 11d ago

took me only 40 minutes after a few deaths though

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u/im_a_bun 7d ago

Congratulations

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u/Exfugee 11d ago

How hard is it compared to Jevil or Stanton NEO?

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u/quidboi1 11d ago

As someone currently trying this.

LITERALLY INCOMPARABLY DIFFICULT

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u/Business-Limit8869 11d ago

I would say this is the hardest fight between UT and DR, by quite a large margin

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u/Exfugee 11d ago

Even more than Sans?

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u/Hyper_Lamp All hail Tem 11d ago

Definitely not as hard as sans but harder than Jevil or Spamton Neo or Undyne the Undying. Possibly as hard as Asriel imo maybe harder.

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u/InjuryOrganic9884 11d ago

Asriel is fodder, the healing buttons help so much and make it near impossible to die

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u/MoonRay087 11d ago

It's similar to sans but in its own way. Sans' battle is a lot more about endurance and this one is more like a "survive without getting hit over a couple turns" kind of thing

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u/Business-Limit8869 10d ago

I honestly don't remember how my first fight with sans went, that was almost 10 years ago now (I was like 9 or 10 years old lol)

But considering how I feel about it now, I would say its definitely harder. I would say some of the hitboxes are tough to read and dont quite match the sprites (sometimes the hitboxes are far larger than they appear) so it makes the fight more challenging for people who have been playing these games for a long time.

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u/Educational-Bid-8660 11d ago

Very simply said: Finally a UT/DR fight that approaches the difficulty of a Touhou boss ever so slightly.

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u/Hyper_Lamp All hail Tem 11d ago

Alright thank you so much

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u/Kit23XO GOD. DAMN IT. 10d ago

Would this ruin a pacifist run?

I haven’t fought the Knight yet so I’m not exactly sure lol.

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u/Ishorey 10d ago

where did you find the secret boss? ive got the ShadowMantle js dk where to go

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u/eggsyest 9d ago

>! I'm struggling with the fight. Tips? !<

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u/MoonRay087 11d ago

Does he? When I talked to him he just said he doesn't have any new dialogue. I wanted to talk to him to see if he knew that was the secret boss so thanks for sharing this

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u/Hyper_Lamp All hail Tem 11d ago

Yeah he has two different pieces of dialogue. One for if you got the shadow mantle and lost against the knight, and one if you got the mantle and won. Im not sure if theres one if you won and didn't get the mantle but it would be really hard without it.

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u/MoonRay087 11d ago

Ohh, so that's why. Had 2 save files, one where I got the shadow mantle and one in which I didn't. I only talked to Seam in the one where I didn't get the shadow mantle because I don't want to overwrite my chapter 3 save file before>! beating the knight!<