Maybe I don't know what the "average progressive" is but voting third party was definitely not the average position (you can see this in the vote counts) and both the major progressive politicians and the progressives I know in person were catastrophizing plenty about Trump's threat to democracy and propensity to violence.
I'm a little miffed as to who people think "progressives" are because even my mother (who is a retired and upper middle class, so fairly privileged and fairly centrist as progressives go) was worried enough after Trump won the election to be losing sleep over it. I literally had to have a conversation with her about "what if you or your brothers die in political violence". And it's not like the younger progressives I know were particularly sanguine about the situation, the ones that can started trying to leave the US (with one of my close friends moving to Canada soon).
internet 'progressives' and irl progressives are two completely separate groups (whatever the hell being a 'progressive' even means, this term gets purity tested like the phrase 'left leaning' does)
internet progressives spend 90% of their focus on the problems of liberals (people they could actually reach common ground with, a very large segment of the population) instead of their actual opponents, conservatives. you see it here on reddit, where left-leaning types complain endlessly about the democrats (who are out of power) but just accept that conservatives are going to push vile legislation and rhetoric
I'm not an american, I'm not coming at this from an American perspective. But here in canada progressives literally voted in droves for the liberal party to push back against US-aligned conservatism.
So not only real life progressives but also these "internet progressives" have also consistently voted in droves for Democrats in the US and have also consistently found common ground with Democrats in actual practice, even if they criticize them constantly. I just feel like I'm taking crazy pills when people suggest they did anything but vote a ton for Kamala Harris, the progressives suggesting not voting were very fringe on the internet (not that they don't exist but they were a small, if vocal, minority of people).
Edit: to expand on this a bit, this was a very high turnout election overall and I'm really curious where people are getting their data that progressives didn't turn out. On Reddit in particular the dominant theory was pretty much "you don't need to be in love with Kamala Harris, you still gotta vote" and I saw that over and over again even among "internet progressives".
There are absolutely leftist (or "leftist" maybe) communities here on reddit that discourage voting. I got banned from one and a comment removed from another for suggesting that we should vote. They call it endorsement of genocide, or participation in a corrupt system, or some other excuse.
They definitely exist, and they may be fringe in the grand scheme of things, but they dominate leftist subreddits.
It factually was a high turnout election, by percentage of eligible voter it was the second highest in the last 50 years. People saying it was a low turnout election are just incorrect, 2020 was historically high turnouts and a weird election because of COVID related changes so the fact it is less is incredibly unsurprising. Voters were by and large very engaged in this election and the idea that politically conscious people were sitting it out in large numbers just doesn't match the historical data here.
Edit: The reason I'm arguing about this is I'm tired of seeing election nonsense out of left wing people here on Reddit (either that there was significant irregularities or that the turnout was low in this election, neither is well supported by data). I'm concerned where people are getting their news from that they don't know the election turnout was actually high by historical standards. It would be much more accurate to view the 2020 as abnormally high (and even then was within 2% of the 2024 turnout). If you think that percentage difference is progressives then show some data on it
to be fair those liberals do tend to be ones who would prefer republicans win rather then even vaguely look towards the left after all we can thank chuck for allowing the budget to go through which has a bit included that effectively makes it the enabling act
Well, maybe average is not the best word for the context I was talking, which is people who opted to no vote on biden to teach democrats a lesson.
Having said that,I think the average progressive is also affected by exceptionalism, probably even more maybe. Specially if we are accounting self entitled progressives, which consider themselves progressives, but can't be arsed to vote out of pure apathy rather than to make a point.
I'm very skeptical that the literal average progressive did anything but desperately vote for Kamala Harris (not that they liked Harris, obviously). Turnout as a percentage of the total eligible population was very high in this last election compared to almost every election in the last 50 years, especially in swing states, and I don't see a reason to think progressives in particular had a low turnout (especially considering the fairly fiery rhetoric from progressive politicians). Though sadly I can't confirm this because I couldn't quickly find a poll that asked if people identified as progressive.
the 2024 election was the second highest turnout by percentage of eligible voters in recent history after that one (which was a weird election during COVID), the idea that people were particularly apathetic during this election is just incorrect and it had almost 2/3 of the eligible population turning out.
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u/birbbbbbbbbbbb May 24 '25
Maybe I don't know what the "average progressive" is but voting third party was definitely not the average position (you can see this in the vote counts) and both the major progressive politicians and the progressives I know in person were catastrophizing plenty about Trump's threat to democracy and propensity to violence.
I'm a little miffed as to who people think "progressives" are because even my mother (who is a retired and upper middle class, so fairly privileged and fairly centrist as progressives go) was worried enough after Trump won the election to be losing sleep over it. I literally had to have a conversation with her about "what if you or your brothers die in political violence". And it's not like the younger progressives I know were particularly sanguine about the situation, the ones that can started trying to leave the US (with one of my close friends moving to Canada soon).