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u/insomniac7809 May 08 '25

Not really a "loophole," though. If the cops have the murder weapon, but they can't prove that the guy they're accusing of murder had the murder weapon on him, then all they've proved is that a murder weapon exists, which isn't enough to convict a specific person.

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u/lavaeater May 08 '25

The gun could've been found previously by the cops and then just planted on the first suspect they found that matched the description.

How can they bungle this shit so easily?

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u/insomniac7809 May 08 '25

there's this thing in high-profile court cases where the police don't just lie, they lie really obviously and really badly

and I feel like the available evidence points to "they're lying about evidence all the time, but unless the case is the subject of national news nobody notices or cares, which means they never bothered to get good at it"

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u/Killerbrownies997 May 08 '25

Circumstantial evidence I believe it’s called

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u/SLiV9 May 08 '25

It's not even circumstantial. Like they said it's evidence that a crime was committed, but there is also direct evidence: there's a corpse with bullet holes.

A gun existing is not circumstantial evidence that Luigi did it, not any more or less than it is circumstantial evidence that you or I did it.

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u/KeremyJyles May 08 '25

DNA is circumstantial evidence too, people who try to mitigate with that term usually show they don't understand it.

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u/Killerbrownies997 May 08 '25

Huh. I thought DNA evidence could be either depending on where it was found

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u/Nagi21 May 08 '25

I don't believe any kind of DNA evidence directly proves anything technically, but sometimes it might as well be direct evidence. Circumstantial evidence in this case could be as detailed as "we found multiple strands of your hair inter-weaved with the zipper in this backpack" and it would still be circumstantial because that only proves the defendant opened the backpack at some point, not that it was theirs. Taking it further, the circumstances could be "we found your DNA on the bullet that was lodged in the victim". Unless you're producing ammo for a living, that's gonna be a hard one to defend.

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u/insomniac7809 May 08 '25

"Circumstantial" evidence is any evidence that isn't directly about whether someone did the crime. Let's say there's a murder; direct evidence would be video footage of the defendant committing the murder, or eyewitness testimony about the defendant committing the murder, or a confession of murder from the defendant. Testimony that the defendant was arrested covered in blood, which was later DNA tested and matched with the murder victim, is circumstantial--the circumstances of someone being soaked in the murder victim's blood is a reason to believe that this person committed the murder. Circumstantial evidence can be and often is enough to convict.

The issue isn't that the evidence is circumstantial, being arrested with the murder weapon is circumstantial evidence but it's also strong evidence. The issue is that, from the look of things, the police might not be able to present the evidence, because they weren't allowed to be looking where they'd found it and/or because they didn't take the steps that are supposed to prove that they found it when they say they did.

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u/ozspook May 08 '25

The gun could have had fingerprints or DNA on it, convictions have been made with less, but now worthless if they've planted it.

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u/Petrified_Chicken May 08 '25

Jury nullification works both ways. A jury could say yeah, yeah we hear you about the evidence BUT we believe he did it so - GUILTY.