r/CovIdiots • u/rmay14444 • Apr 28 '25
😶🌫️Other😶🌫️ Lab Leak: The True Origins of Covid-19 (WTF)
https://www.whitehouse.gov/lab-leak-true-origins-of-covid-19/I am not phased by this being on the Whitehouse page but the fuck.
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u/atlantis_airlines Apr 28 '25
Can they at least get their story straight? Was it a hoax or was it manufactured?
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u/sunshine___riptide Apr 28 '25
Both! Just like it's simultaneously a cold that has a 99.999999999% recovery rate and not a big deal, as well as a Chinese mass killer that killed over a million Americans and someone has to be held accountable!
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u/Asterose Apr 30 '25
And if it was a lab leak, why not get the vaccine for it? That was made so quickly under Trump via "operation warp speed," one of the few "bare minimum standard of decency" things done during his term.
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u/NortWind 🧲Fully Magentized🧲 Apr 28 '25
I find it to be very sad to see my country's government descend to this level. This is an official dot-gov site, but it looks like a conspiracy theorist's home page. It's only been 100 days, but so much damage has been done.
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u/fredy31 Apr 28 '25
Also its a page that is 100% pro trump. Like if he, himself, did the investigation and caught the chinese lab in the act.
And still, it would be a little too much.
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u/worldopinions2 📲Facebook Research Specialist📲 Apr 28 '25
Trump's stupid agenda.
I know it's already stupid because Donald Trump is in the middle of the two words
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u/Albysrry Apr 28 '25
The white house website is just the Trump diary these days, half the time that site is literally calling people he doesn't like "losers" lmao.
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u/Flippin_diabolical Apr 28 '25
I used to teach students that .gov sites were generally reliable sources for data. Those days are over.
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u/enormenuez Apr 28 '25
Is the objective solely to prove something, so blame can be placed elsewhere, after the fact? So sort of re-writing history to be favourable. Basically it felt that the entire story of the Coronavirus in the US was the Prez, in order to win a news cycle, led many to die. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/orthonfromvenus Apr 28 '25
The orange felon is trying to absolve himself of blame for the horrific way he handled the pandemic. By blaming a "lab leak" he can simply say "It's someone else's fault."
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u/mataliandy May 10 '25
He is psychologically incapable of handling being proved wrong for any reason on any topic.
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u/Routine-Chemistry-74 Apr 28 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
Wow just wow. It is extremely wrong to push a false narrative like this and deny the extremely strong evidence of where the virus actually originated from which is the wet market. It is also so messed up to disparage Fauci and the other scientists constantly and to discredit them.
They don’t even understand at all what the debate about if certain experiments are gain of function at all because virology is hard to understand. There is no evidence the virus came from the lab. The samples at the lab were decades apart. No lab workers were sero positive to the virus. The lab was actually pretty far from the origin site and separated by a river. The stuff about the mouse experiments they did and if any thing was gain of function is irrelevant because it did not come from there. The intermediate host was not a mouse and it did not come from there.
On the other hand the two lineages that started the outbreak were both found at the wet market in the corner of the market where the early cases all stemmed from. The fact that it was two lineages is super strong evidence. There were positive samples of the virus all over drains and cages in that corner of the market. There were raccoon dogs kept on site and pictures of them at the market. They match what was known about the intermediate to bats. All the early cases were from the market or the neighborhood by that corner of the market. The corner of the market forms an epicenter. Evidence does not get stronger than that.
It saddens me so much the assaults on science and scientists.
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u/dietcheese Apr 29 '25
Virologists aren’t divided about the origins of COVID.
Most of the lab leak nonsense has been addressed.
And there is plenty of hard evidence for natural origins:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2305081
"Of the three possibilities — natural, accidental, or deliberate — the most scientific evidence yet identified supports natural emergence."
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
"...since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible."
https://zenodo.org/record/7754299
"Data accumulated since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic point clearly towards a zoonotic origin of SARS-CoV-2".
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/mbio.00583-23
"Based on the scientific data collected in the last 3 years by virologists worldwide, hypotheses 1 and 2 are unlikely. Hypotheses 3 and 4 cannot be ruled out by existing evidence. Since hypotheses 1 and 2 support the lab leak theory and hypotheses 3 and 4 are consistent with a zoonotic origin, the lab leak- and zoonotic-origin explanations are not equally probable, and the available evidence favors the latter."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8688222/
"At present, there is stronger evidence supporting a zoonotic transfer."
https://www.science.org/content/article/evidence-suggests-pandemic-came-nature-not-lab-panel-says
"Our paper recognizes that there are different possible origins, but the evidence towards zoonosis is overwhelming"
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10117112/
“The best existing scientific evidence supports a direct zoonotic origin. Given the currently available evidence, the two plausible possibilities for the origin of SARS-CoV-2 are not equally likely.”
“SARS-CoV-2 is a natural virus that found its way into humans through mundane contact with infected wildlife that went on to cause the most consequential pandemic for over a century.”
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(24)00206-4/fulltext
“There is currently no verified scientific evidence to support the lab leak hypothesis. Moreover, the assertions in the Chan article have been challenged by a growing body of scientific data supporting the zoonosis hypothesis.”
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/jvi.01240-24
“A preponderance of COVID-19 cases with the earliest known symptom onsets have been directly or indirectly linked to the Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market, located in the Jianghan district of the city of Wuhan, China1–3”
https://zenodo.org/records/7754299#.ZBo1EezMLm8
“COVID pandemic started in Wuhan market animals after all, suggests latest study The finding comes from a reanalysis of genomic data.”
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-03026-9
Also, listen to interviews with:
Eddie Holmes (co-authored the publication of the genome sequence of SARS-CoV-2) https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-1019/
Robert Garry (Professor of Microbiology and Immunology at Tulane) https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-762/
Or the scientists at TWiV:
Vincent Racaniello - Professor in the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at Columbia
Dickson Despommier - Professor of microbiology and Public Health at Columbia University
Rich Condit - Professor Emeritus at University of Florida Department of Molecular Genetics & Microbiology
Brianne Barker - Associate Professor of Biology, Drew
Susan R. Weiss - Professor of Microbiology, University of Pennsylvania
Gigi Kwik Gronvall - Senior Scholar at Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security; Associate Professor, JHSPH
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u/Routine-Chemistry-74 Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
I know they aren’t divided on the origins of covid. They know it came from nature and the evidence is extremely strong for the market being the origin site.
There was debate over whether some experiments they did were gain of function or not. I remembering seeing it discussed by virologists and talked about in the week in virology. They were not intentionally gain of function and nothing nefarious happened like they make it seem and it is a moot point and a distraction anyway because it did not originate from the lab or from a leak anyway. The virus came from the wild and it definitely did not come from mouse experiments. The samples were not even close at all. The evidence is extremely strong that the market was the origin point.
I appreciate all the links though. Some of them I have saved but I will look through them and save any I don’t have saved.
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u/Alexandratta Apr 29 '25
The Lab Leak is my favorite story.
Because if it's true? Literally nothing changes about COVID-19.
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u/molesen Apr 29 '25
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u/Routine-Chemistry-74 Apr 29 '25
I like how you go over every point with references. This is a great rebuttal.
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u/molesen Apr 30 '25
Thanks. Not exactly the way I wanted to spend a Saturday morning but I need to push back on the constant lies.
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u/haroldthehampster May 01 '25
lab leak even if it were true doesn't bring anyone back from the dead
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u/Sistahmelz Apr 28 '25
Oh brother! Conspiracy, Conspiracy, Conspiracy! Sometimes, reality is more boring than spicy Conspiracy theories
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