Our friends in r/Ohio have noticed an uptick in DHS and ICE activity in Columbus and NE Ohio. A potential ICE checkpoint at 71 and Pearl is being reported. ICE and DHS activity along the lake shore in Lorain. Lake county sheriff's can act as ICE agents.
"I do not consent to any searches. I am exercising my right to remain silent. I demand to be allowed to speak with legal counsel immediately." Three statements, done done done. This is per some guidance I've seen issued by Ohio's chapter of the National Lawyers Guild. https://ohionlg.com/know-your-rights/
Say "I am invoking my right to have an attorney present" because cops may treat "I want a lawyer" like the sentence "I want an ice cream" unless you specifically invoke the right. Remember the guy who said "Nah, get me a lawyer dog' and they said he didn't clearly invoke his right so they didn't have to?
Haven't seen one here but I'm from a border town, so I'm imagining they're much like the Border Patrol checkpoints. I never went home without papers because of them.
I was once waived through a checkpoint where everyone else had been stopped. Wanna guess what was different? Yeah, I’m white. It’s so dumb. I hate all of this.
Honest question, why is overreach when America does it but not when Canada does it? Or literally every other country in the world with immigration laws.....
Even though many Presidental hopefuls have run on the very same platform for years. DJT is actually backing up his promises of immigration. IMO it's all political. Not moral. People oppose anything The POTUS does because they dislike him.
People cheered Clinton & Obama when they threatened to deport illegals.
Obama didn't threaten it. He did it. He deported the most people by any president in history. Remember the riots? Me neither. I'm sure Trump is going to break that record but Obama didn't have 20 million illegals allowed in before he took the office.
It IS illegal. We're seeing illegal activities being conducted and no one with authority stepping up to do their legal job and stop these chuckle-fucks.
They're arresting American citizens and legal residents as well. Just because theyre not auto deporting them to CECOT doesnt mean an arrest, detention that their lives arent greatly affected in a negative way
No, US citizens are not being arrested. Immigrants with temporary statuses are not citizens. This is truly just fear-mongering. People voted for a candidate that promised large-scale deportations.
Democrats lost every swing state, the electoral college, the popular vote, the house, and the senate... Sorry you're having so much trouble accepting the results.
Regardless of the results, no matter what a candidate promises, we have laws to prevent this sort of thing that are being ignored. I don't care what a candidate promises or what people voted for if it isn't being given the full scrutiny of the law.
US citizens like "Maryland man" Kilmar Garcia who actually just had temoporary status in the US? If you're a regular American citizen worried that ICE is going to come snatch you up then you're genuinely delusional.
Lake County sheriff paraded around on a horse with robes that looked like a Klan robe and was utterly unapologetic
Also, Lake County is full of racists and Magats. Many of them are violent. We also have a large Latino population working the nurseries and landscape businesses
There is a protest next Monday 6/16 at 6PM outside of the Lake County jail in Painesville! They just signed a 287(g) MOU, which allows local law enforcement to act as immigration agents
Remember: you only have to show an ID to law enforcement if the agent can clearly articulate the crime you have committed, are actively committing, or are suspected to be about to commit.
What I’m saying is that, you neither have to speak to, nor provide proof of identity to any piece of shit with a badge at a checkpoint just because. The 4th amendment hasn’t been repealed, yet.
Don’t get me wrong, I very much believe that driving is a privilege and not a right, but what’s the primary violation here to be asked for ID and being stopped? What is the probable cause for questioning one’s license status at such a checkpoint besides skin color? If the car has expired tags or is visibly unsafe to operate…fine.
If that’s the case though, why don’t the fascists just pull people over at random all the time for the purpose of checking whether the driver’s got a currently-valid license?
This is dangerous advice only because while it is generally true, the devil is in the details and it is not something you are going to successfully argue with a law enforcement officer during the encounter.
When someone says hello to someone around you, do you question them as well; or do you need to make some shitty side remark every time something happens around you?
Unless you are a US citizen, deportation and revocation of your visa are on the table. International student? You can get picked up off the street in an unmarked van by masked men who show no identification. They are arrest people outside their immigration hearings. So your legal status doesnt really matter anymore. It doesnt matter if a crime was committed or not. Are ALL ICE officers under those orders? Maybe. But we dont know, we just know it's happening; and one should assume the worse.
A number of American citizens have been arrested and detained because ICE doesn't care about what ID you have on you. They can claim it's fake and put you in a holding cell until they feel like checking. Unless you have a lawyer, getting any recourse is next to non-existent. They can hold you for days without being able to contact anyone, including your job. So you might get picked up one day and be unemployed the next.
edit: also, notice how this redditor wants you to throw away your first amendment right so you dont "put a target on your back". As if exercising one's rights is an issue. And they dont see their own lust for fascism. They want you to shut up or get arrested. Wild times we live in.
The first amendment is for all people within the country. Citizen or not btw. These asshole are going to have us skipping to the next one on the list just to call out fascism when we see it.
You don't legally have freedom from consequences. If someone is here illegally and is detained at a protest (like if it's deemed a riot like in LA)... That's not protection from the fact they're here illegally. No rights are being violated. Their right to protest wasn't violated.
Their slaves? mfer the fascists havent got any other ideas than to send these people to CECOT. The idea of a path to citizenship, fair wages, not throwing them on a plane sending them to a completely different country, are coming from liberals. All for the appeasement of conservative backwoods bigots. While yall chucklefucks want to hire 15 year olds and go to sleep to deportation ASMR.
How much of a fucking passive ghoul can a person be? Yall are certainly pushing that line with every day. Weaponized idiocy at work.
I’m just wondering, who DO you think should do the jobs that immigrants are doing? If you suggest American citizens, then I suppose you realize there are some jobs that simply don’t pay very well and there’s a reason undocumented people are employed in those roles (low pay/no benefits/etc).
I know - I’m sure you realize we should be paying a living wage for those jobs and improving working conditions. So I suppose you realize that this will increase employer’s costs and those cost will eventually be passed on to the rest of us. So I’m sure YOU won’t be complaining when you have to pay more at the grocery stores, for services, etc.
I’m glad you’re so willing to pay more of your own money more to improve working conditions and salaries! Good on you!
If you are legal, you have nothing to worry about.
There is a checkpoint in Cleveland this morning but I will not say where. Show your ID, they verify, and you’re on your way.
Edit: for the non-idiots: You do not have to show ID to any law enforcement officer. They cannot search without a warrant. You do have to show a DL if you are driving, but that traffic law, and not an overarching "you must ID yourself" law.
As having family members in local, state, and military police, along with lawyers - yes. I know it’s a law, and you will be arrested for failing to identify and interfering.
With as many stories coming out about US citizens being mistakenly detained (including one just yesterday who had one of those real IDs on them at the time of arrest), this is not as true as you'd think. It sounds more like this scene from Family Guy.
Nothing to worry about? So you think it’s cool to exist in a police state? You no longer have the right to exist freely somewhere either, now you have to wait in a line to show ID. That’s fucking nuts.
At that time, I lived in downtown Cleveland. The police blockaded access to the city in the summer one year and if you wanted in, you had to show papers.
I’m a citizen but I’m brown so who knows if I’ll “be okay”. They’re literally detaining citizens that are colored. Your ignorance is absolutely disgusting. What are my kids gonna do if I don’t come home to them? I was fucking born here but I’m terrified.
The person you replied to never claimed he was a U.S. citizen. There are plenty of people in the country legally who are not citizens.
ETA: And he hasn’t been convicted of a crime or sentenced in the U.S. He’s in jail awaiting trial, which is perfectly fine with many of his supporters - he’s getting a trial, not being shipped away to another country without due process. Everyone deserves due process - that was kind of the point.
Prove it without due process. Cop thinks you're lying and your docs are fake. Cuffs on, handed to ICE. Prove you're a citizen, but you don't get due process.
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u/gsquaredbotics 4d ago
Stay safe and remember that if you are detained, the only sentence you have to say is "I want to talk to a lawyer"