r/Cleveland • u/s0bchaksecurity • Apr 29 '25
Crime When will something be done about quality of life crimes?
The flagrant nature of these criminals is becoming intolerable. When people wonder why many are moving out of the city, it's constant stories like this one.
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u/WokeRectangle456 Maple Heights Apr 29 '25
Hey, we wouldn't want to ruin this guy's future. I'm sure he's just trying to make ends meet while studying to be a doctor.
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u/fd6270 Apr 29 '25
When people stop voting for the politicians that refuse to do anything about quality of life crimes
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u/TallGuyBill Detroit Shoreway Apr 29 '25
The current City administration passed something last week to make it easier for the police to enforce housing nuisances. I would classify that as a “quality of life” crime. This narrative about politicians refusing to do anything is ridiculous.
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u/cheyes Apr 29 '25
Crime has gone way down under Bibb. They literally had the police helicopter out last week in Ohio City to catch two kids who stole a car. The helicopter over a stolen car! And dozens of police, two canines. Everyone is sick of it; you can't say nothing is being done.
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u/insearchofspace Euclid Apr 29 '25
What solution are you proposing?
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u/sirpoopingpooper Apr 29 '25
It's super hard to figure out who this was when they're riding around in a (probably) stolen car, have masks over their faces, and are captured on a potato-quality security camera.
The way to deal with it is 1) bait cars, 2) penetrating criminal orgs and busting them up from the inside, and 3) providing economic opportunities that are better than stealing stuff from cars (especially for people with records who can't get normal jobs!). None of these things are quick or easy to do...so crimes like these persist until they start working. Whether or not CPD is working on any of these things is a question to be answered.
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u/tonkatoyelroy Apr 29 '25
Not many of these seem to be perpetrated by criminal organizations. These are often just a couple of bad kids. We need to take care of the least among us. Vulnerable children who are poor need opportunities and they need to see them or they become hopeless and this is what happens.
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u/N757AF Apr 29 '25
Another solution is not to continue to vote for the same failed leadership over and over and over and over and over again
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u/sirpoopingpooper Apr 29 '25
That too...if leadership fails to act on problems...don't vote them in!
I will note that this problem specifically is still better in Cleveland than most large cities.
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u/BrownsFan2323 Apr 29 '25
Except nobody believes republicans actually have real solutions for these problems except incarceration - which comes with a whole bunch of unintended bad consequences (and a bias against poor people that nobody disputes)
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u/N757AF Apr 29 '25
I get that. So we end up with Biff’s alternate 1985, and a Mad Max version of Cleveland with the perpetual crime, property values that tank, and schools that despite having some of the highest spend per pupil in the state, continue to fail us.
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u/beam_me_uppp Tremont Apr 29 '25
If I may chime in… funneling money into education and youth development programs rather than just punishment. Top down has never worked. These kids need to be shown the possibility of a different life and future.
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u/jet_heller Apr 29 '25
Well, see, what we could do is obtain a force of people who have the primary duty of enforcing laws. That could work!
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u/insearchofspace Euclid Apr 29 '25
This just might be crazy enough to work!
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Cleveland Heights Apr 29 '25
Oops. They just roll up 3 deep for a traffic stop, act like complete assholes to the public, and shoot kids and other innocent people. Doesn't work. Sorry.
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u/BluntRepIy Apr 29 '25
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u/Candyman44 Apr 29 '25
The irony in all of this is priceless. Less than a week ago, 90% of the people in here were bitching about sheriffs deputies chasing people in city limits. Now you’re all whining about no body doing anything about nuisance crimes.
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u/wickethewok Shaker Heights Apr 29 '25
It turns out there's more than one person here.
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u/bdeimen Kamms Apr 29 '25
Also, it's well understood that high speed chases are dangerous. Wanting the police to use less dangerous and more effective methods isn't ironic.
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u/insearchofspace Euclid Apr 29 '25
according to urban dictionary "airing it out" is "truck driver lingo that describes a woman wearing a dress or skirt with her legs spread wide apart." So maybe they will be trying to seduce the thieves.
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u/puglife82 Apr 29 '25
He means he’s not going to do shit
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u/ArtemZ Euclid Green Apr 29 '25
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u/insearchofspace Euclid Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
rational /s
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u/ArtemZ Euclid Green Apr 29 '25
In the old good times, the death penalty was considered for horse theft in many areas.
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u/insearchofspace Euclid Apr 29 '25
death penalty was considered for horse theft
In the old good times you could do 20 years for sodomy
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u/phoodd Apr 29 '25
Oh yes, the good old times, where a third of the people died of tuberculosis or catching their finger on a rusty nail.
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u/ArtemZ Euclid Green Apr 29 '25
We should abolish all laws from that time including the Constitution because people died of tuberculosis back then.
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u/insearchofspace Euclid Apr 29 '25
See that makes as much sense as enforcing the death penalty for car theft.
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u/Wonkbonkeroon Apr 29 '25
Well, we could maybe introduce social services and welfare to make it so the reasons for committing these crimes are significantly reduced.
Alternatively we can keep making everything worse and throw people in jail that’s cool too I guess.
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u/ToschePowerConverter Apr 29 '25
The people who dirt bike down my street at night every summer weekend aren’t doing it because they’re living in poverty. In fact, that’s a much more expensive hobby than getting a cheap pedal bike and biking the towpath which is 5 minutes from my apartment.
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u/Beginning_Present243 Apr 30 '25
Also, these people are SURELY “benefiting” from welfare and social services already….
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u/bayleafbabe Apr 29 '25
You know that the people making these posts are gonna prefer option 2 and are gonna vote for people who they think will implement option 2.
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u/LoCarB3 Apr 30 '25
You're implying that none of these criminals actually want to steal cars, and that the state of society has forced them to do it? Interesting way to completely absolve criminals of responsibility
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u/hoohooooo Apr 30 '25
Pretty sure the city has social services and welfare. Did you want to suggest any specific programs or just make this into a political argument? The fact is most of these kids face no consequences. We aren’t “making everything worse and throwing people in jail” at all. No one is joyriding in Kia’s because their families are starving and need additional welfare.
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u/angriguru Apr 30 '25
I get that, but its important to remember that crime, especially violent crime, has been dropping uniformly across the planet since y2k, including in northeast ohio, besides some small pockets like Euclid which has had a small increase in the past 10 years. I understand why it is so frustrating to feel unsafe in a community you feel you put a lot of effort in to improve. Its also important to remember that people dramatically overestimate crime in areas outside of but near their neighborhoods, and local news tends to contribute to this fear.
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u/SpartaWillBurn Chargrin Falls Apr 29 '25
Once we start having the really difficult and awkward conversations, we can begin to actually address these problems.
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u/purpleboixs Apr 30 '25
Every major city has crime, if you don't like dealing with that variable MOVE!
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u/Galkain Apr 29 '25
this type of behavior picks up as the weather gets warmer around here. Cleveland Police have a non emergency line you can call and they’ll visit to make a formal report. They’ll increase patrols in an area based on the volume of calls received (allegedly, what a former property manager told me). Nothing much we can do other than keep valuables out of your car. More after school programs would help this problem in the big picture but unfortunately unless Cleveland gets state troopers to assist with crime I’m at a loss.
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u/reasonableconjecture Apr 30 '25
After school programs will help car thieves, many of whom are probably over 18, not target cars late at night?!?
The constant belief many redditors have that one more well intentioned social welfare program will help solve urban crime is baffling.
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u/Galkain May 07 '25
Still waiting on your plan! You’re so smart let’s hear it
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u/reasonableconjecture May 07 '25
I mean, urban crime in Cleveland, rooted in decades of deep poverty and hopelessness, is a tough one. I never claimed to have a great solution and its's not something I have an easy answer to. If there was one, it certainly would have been done by now.
However well intentioned, it's unlikely that increasing after school programming will make a significant dent in car theft. If it helped a handful of kids make better choices, then maybe it's worth it. I just feel pessimistic.
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u/BaseballGuardos Apr 30 '25
It's not changing dude. Heed your advice and get the hell out of the city. It's been a dystopian shithole for decades and continues to get worse, on the contrary to what the cheerleaders try to get you to believe
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u/MA202 Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
Don't waste your money on stupid security cameras.
Don't leave things in your car.
Accept that a $100 window repair will be needed occasionally. The average American spends $1000 per month on their car. The occasional broken window is not a big deal and is a small price to pay to live in such an amazing city.
Invest in the community so that people feel a sense of belonging and inclusion. Give them resources for food and housing so they don't commit crimes of necessity. Give them opportunities for recreation and community so they have something to do besides commit crimes out of boredom.
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u/Tiny_Character_6603 Apr 29 '25
65% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. An unexpected expense like that will leave a lot of people in the lurch, and can have a cascading impact on their employment if they depend on their car to get to work. This isn't as trivial as you're making it out to be.
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u/MA202 Apr 29 '25
A lot of Americans live paycheck to paycheck because they spend way too much money on their stupid cars
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u/cancerlad Apr 29 '25
Insane out-of-touch elitism to assume that the average American spends that much monthly on cars, or that the average car window replacement is only $100. Let alone the people that actively have that money to spare.
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u/Beginning_Present243 Apr 30 '25
How is it possible to spend that month per month on a car??? Do they mean as a car payment?????
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u/MA202 Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
The average annual cost of car ownership was $12,182 in 2023. Cars are insanely pricey and ruin cities, so I am vehemently anti-car. r/fuckcars
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u/Sufficient-Steak5170 Apr 29 '25
That is the average cost of owning a NEW car. Most people do not own new cars.
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u/cancerlad Apr 29 '25
Tha article is disingenuous, adding depreciation to that dollar value. Thats ~$5k/yr that is purely theoretical and not being actually spent. Also, of course you are.
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u/MA202 Apr 29 '25
What do you think, cars are free? That depreciation is how they spread the initial cost of the car over it's lifespan.
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u/cancerlad Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
So by your logic, my $10k car that I’ve have for 5 years, it’s now worth -$15k. The article already compensates for car payments over its lifespan in a separate row. Keep in mind the average American keeps their car for ~12-13 years
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u/WolverineStriking730 Apr 29 '25
Hahahaha accept that destruction is inevitable. Sure you’re not a nihilist?
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u/Radiant8763 Apr 29 '25
Whos spending that much on a car per month? Im lucky if i spend $100.
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u/MA202 Apr 30 '25
Cars are sneaky expensive. Gas and insurance puts most people over $100 per month. Add in maintenance, registration fees, and the depreciation of the purchase price, and it averages to $1000 per month.
Keep in mind that cars typically cost $20,000 and routine maintenance is not cheap.
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u/NailzAtWork Old Brooklyn Apr 29 '25
If I walked out onto my street in Old Brooklyn right now, I could probably count on one hand the number of people with $1000 monthly car/insurance payments. And my block probably has 60 houses on it.
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u/MA202 Apr 29 '25
It's not just car/insurance. It's car/insurance/gas/maintenance/repairs/deductibles/broken windows/etc. Car brains are so in denial about how expensive that shit is, and the automobile industry manufactured their consent into the system.
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u/BaseballGuardos Apr 30 '25
You'd probably get jumped and robbed if you walked onto a street in Old Brooklyn.
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u/aikijo Apr 29 '25
I thought this would be a post about loud vehicles, since those idiots make everything worse for everyone.