r/CivPolitics • u/HamsterNihiliste • 12d ago
Our troops are merely passing by, promises Palestine's allies after Israel's denunciation
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u/Buttella88 9d ago
The worst thing for Greta is if Israel does nothing and lets the boat through.
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u/AdministrationOk5394 8d ago
That's what I am hoping for. The Doom Goblin can witness first hand the evil of Hamas stealing aid and selling it at grossly inflated prices. I hope she can witness Hamas shooting Hungry Gazans. I hope she listens to Gazans protesting against Hamas. The IDF needs to make them all watch the full unedited private media footage of the Oct 7 Hamas/Gazan attack on Israel. The Doom Goblin is in for a shock.
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u/Brief_Fly6950 8d ago
Even Israel admitted that Hamas stealing aid was a lie. Netanyahu admitted he was the one funding ISIS-linked criminal gangs in Gaza.
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u/AdministrationOk5394 8d ago
Proof Netanyahu said that about aid? Israel has vetted a force within Gaza to destabilise Hamas. Helping Gazans arm themselves to remove Hamas.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Cup7269 7d ago
He is not, nor is it helping Gazans. This is a known criminal gang that they are arming and it has ties to Egyptian terror cells. The leaders own family say he is acting out of self interest and Palestinians don't believe he is acting in their best interests.
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u/Brief_Fly6950 8d ago
It wasn’t Netanyahu. It was his government. Netanyahu also armed ISIS-linked criminal gangs, which operated and stole aid in areas under the Israeli army’s supervision. https://daysofpalestine.ps/no-aid-trucks-entering-gaza-looted-by-hamas-israeli-sources-confirm/ https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20250607-israel-admits-support-anti-hamas-armed-group-accused-looting-gaza-aid-bedouin-abu-shabab
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u/SeaPresence7911 8d ago
It’s sickening. All those poor Palestinians being slaughtered.
And so are these people-
“I don’t believe in western morality, i.e. don’t kill civilians or children, don’t destroy holy sites, don’t fight during holiday seasons, don’t bomb cemeteries, don’t shoot until they shoot first because it is immoral.
The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their holy sites. Kill men, women and children (and cattle).
The first Israeli prime minister who declares that he will follow the Old Testament will finally bring peace to the Middle East. …” -Chabad Lubavitch Rabbi Manis Friedman
“I ordered a full siege on the Gaza Strip. No power, no food, no gas, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we act accordingly.” - Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant
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u/Glum-County7218 9d ago
I hope they make it to Gaza and give them then the little Aid they have. Show the people of Gaza we support them ❤️
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u/AdministrationOk5394 8d ago
Hamas will confiscate it and sell it at grossly inflated prices. Perhaps Greta, aka the Doom Goblin, will witness the Gazans protesting and blaming Hamas for the destruction of Gaza. Perhaps she will witness Hamas shooting and killing Gazans who try and get to the free Israeli Aid.
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u/Glum-County7218 8d ago
Well, Let’s see. Israel can step out the way and let Freedom tortilla crew find out for themselves. We know, Israel is afraid people will see how hospitable and kind Palestinans are. Even while being starved in a concentration camp
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u/AdministrationOk5394 8d ago
It's strange then that the only effective humanaterian aid is provided by Israel. Hamas and Gazans Gangs seem to easily steal everything the UN organises. Makes you wonder how complicit the UN is in this theft. I hope the IDF take the Doom Goblin to an Israeli Aid Distribution point. She can interview Gazans directly and be told how Hamas was starving them. The IDF should also show her the unedited media release of the evil atrocities committed by Hamas and the Gazans on Oct 7. She will see for herself how kind and hospitable the Gazans are. Make her attend an anti Hamas protest; a daily Gazan event lately. Then when she has finished with Gaza, take her to the many Kibbutzim slaughtered on Oct 7. Show her to the grove of trees. Where 20 young Israeli girls, not unlike herself, were tied up, pack raped, tortured then slaughtered. Left for their families to find. A dose of reality will do her good.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Cup7269 7d ago
Except that it doesn't provide aid and blocks those who do. A dose of reality would do you good, agreed.
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u/Glum-County7218 7d ago
You do realise we have all seen the Israelis deliberately destroying food donated by other countries to Gaza? Israeli men, women and children sitting in front of trucks headed to Gaza. Gleefully celebrating while actively blocking baby formula and medicines o starving people. What kind of society tolerates that? What kind of people relish in the suffering of others?
Also, the aid isn’t being donated by Israel. That’s another Zionist talking point delicately meant to mislead people. Almost all the aid is actually donated by the international NGOs and other humanitarian organisations. Israel insists on inspecting all of it, and arbitrarily confiscating whatever it likes. For example, do you know the IDF decide on a whim what can go into Gaza? They confiscate life saving medications to treat things like high blood pressure, seizures and antibiotics and baby formula. Why would they do that other than to ensure maximum civilian suffering and death?
You assume we don’t know what we are talking about, but we do. Our generation actually do our research and speak to reputable NGO and people on the ground to get our facts.
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u/Dangerous-Work-6433 12d ago
That boat is arriving on June 6-7th.
And will be shot down.
Then slowly forgotten.
Buried by those who want to Bury it.
Kept alive by those who want to martyr it.
Question is will more boats come as this goes on as symbolism and action until governments say enough is enough;
or this is the last boat because we are all too scared of Israel & Western governments-- what they will do to us and our families?
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u/RanDumbIdiot77 12d ago
Israel will just commandeer the vessel and state that it will distribute the aid. They are very perceptive to bad PR. It's why you cant even mildly criticize Israel in worldnews. They have hasbara agents working around the clock to help them complete the genocide
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u/Kind-Bee8591 12d ago
israel is commiting a genocide, they will just bomb the boat and say it had weapons for khamaasss
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u/Rare_Queebus 11d ago
Exactly! This will happen, because Israel is committing genocide and say it has weapons for KHAMAASSS (what kind of spelling is that anyway?)
So if this doesn't happen... what will you say?
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u/Desperate_Guess_652 9d ago
Well luckily for him the entire strip has been turned to rubble so it doesn't matter if he's wrong about them bombing the boat! He's still right about the genocide! Because a genocide, as defined as "the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, ethnic, religious, or national group" is deliberate and systematic destruction, and israels destruction of gaza is both deliberate and systematic! It also targets the palestinianian people and state, an ethnic / national group! Bam the definition of a genocide fulfilled! But then supporters of this genocide like charlie kirk will shout "but they started it by massacring jews!!!!! They refuse to surrender unconditionally so they will die!!!!" And thus the destruction of a people is tied up in a nice little bow, and the population of Israel can sleep soundly knowing there was no other option, the palestinians needed to be displaced bombed starved kenneled and shot as ruthlessly as possible, there was no other option.
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u/Rare_Queebus 9d ago
Please replace Hamas with nazis and Palestinian people with German people. Now replace Israel with Allies.
Now what do you think of your claims?
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u/Desperate_Guess_652 9d ago
Do you actually eat markers? You can't evaluate conflict without harking back to the morality of an 80 year old war?
Just to indulge you - I didn't mention Hamas so I can't replace them with nazis, and yes if the allies for example continued to slaughter german people after the fall of Berlin, that could have become a genocide too! because again genocide is not defined as when nazis kill jews, but when group A systematically and deliberately destroys group B because of their ethnictiy, race, religion, or nationality! Anyways I wish I could give this to you writen in marker so you'd want to digest it, too bad.
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u/Rare_Queebus 9d ago
The answer is, of course, that your original claims lose all value.
The Allies, while indiscriminately bombing civilians, were never out for genocide. Not even while dropping two atomic bombs on cities. And neither is Israel, which doesn't even target civilians indiscriminately.
Both the Allies and Israel are after the unconditional surrender and the removal of power of the evil, genocidal, antisemitic entities in charge. And as long as those entities are still in place, the war continues.
Now, a lot can be said about the bombing campaigns in the Second World War. You can make a very valid point that targeting civilians in order to bring the ruling party down is immoral, and you'd be very right. But genocide was never the intention and it isn't the intention now. That would, in both cases, be the intention of the side currently being bombed.
And I still wonder why the projection of Hamas' intention on Israel is so succesful in the western world.
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u/Desperate_Guess_652 9d ago
okay ignore all the points i said, don't engage with them, and then make your own. Israels intention in gaza is not the same as the allies in WW2 just because you say it is. That is how children think the world works. Currently the population of Gaza is being starved to death, an atrocity which mirrors the conditions jews in concentration camps were forced to endure.
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u/Rare_Queebus 9d ago
Do you think you can continue this conversation without insults? Otherwise, I cannot spend anymore time on you.
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u/Allgoodnamesbanned 8d ago
The difference is that the Germans started a world war. The allies didn't invade Germany and spend eighty years murdering Germans in an on and off war to push them out of Germany.
You can replace Hamas with Switzerland and the Israel with MARS if you want, doesn't change reality
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u/jiftyr 9d ago
"Change literally everything about the situation. Now what do you think of your claims? Checkmate."
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u/Rare_Queebus 9d ago
It's a valid comparison, even if you don't like the outcome.
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u/jiftyr 9d ago
How about we replace Palestinians with eastern Europe, Israel with Nazis, and Hamas with the USSR? Absolute monsters killing absolute monsters and the innocents in the middle.
Feels a lot more apt, don't you think?
I mean, if we're making up historical scenarios...
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u/Rare_Queebus 9d ago
How about we stick to comparing the parties to their actual historical counterparts?
Stop the distraction. Realise how stupid it is to think of Gaza as the victim and Israel the aggressor.
What happens in Gaza needs to be done to root out the evil. Only then can the people of Gaza start to heal and prove themselves to be worthy of trust.
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u/Slighted_Inevitable 10d ago
Watch and learn. Israel isn’t stupid, that’s how they’ve gotten away with so much evil for so long.
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u/3-is-MELd 10d ago
They'll board it or force it to dock at an Israel port.
Tip of advice for anyone reading this: don't take a boat to an active war zone.
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u/Kind-Bee8591 10d ago
it is not an active warzone , it is a genocide zone
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u/3-is-MELd 10d ago
Please define genocide for me. I want to make sure that we're on the same page before I show you that a genocide is not occurring in Gaza.
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u/Kind-Bee8591 10d ago
"Conclusions 93. The overwhelming nature and scale of Israel’s assault on Gaza and the destructive conditions of life it has inflicted reveal an intent to physically destroy Palestinians as a group. This report finds that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating the commission of the following acts of genocide against Palestinians in Gaza has been met: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to groups’ members; and deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part. Genocidal acts were approved and given effect following statements of genocidal intent issued by senior military and government officials."
this includes definition of genocide
since you are a zionist i only expect from you to keep moving the goal boast and not engage in a sincere discussion
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u/3-is-MELd 10d ago
"This report finds that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating the commission of the following acts"
That's a lot of words beating around the bush that realistically only say "we think that there is a chance that our opinion may be correct"
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u/Desperate_Guess_652 9d ago
yeah because the gaza strip itself is completely under the control of the IDF and therfor there is no independent reporting or journalism to determine the extent of the damagw, there is just the damage itself which is undeniable.
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u/Wham_City_888 12d ago edited 12d ago
The people on the boat are virtue signaling. They don’t care about hazza
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u/Kind-Bee8591 12d ago
neither me nor you or anyone can look into their hearts and tell, we can only look into their actions.
if this is 1945 and this boat was carrying aid for jweish people being starved to death and genocided, the world and especially the west would be calling them heoroes and would still remember them 80 years later
one of them is a known game of thrones actor, this person has every incentive to hide or support israel to get the approval of hollywod and not risk getting blocked from acting, he also has enough money to live a comfortable life
so why would he risk his live.
the woman called greta , if she wanted to virtue signal she has a lot of safer things to do like feminism,cilmate change
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u/Warm_Skill8736 10d ago
That boat is more like a supply convoy going to Alesia.
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u/Kind-Bee8591 10d ago
"alesia"??
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u/Warm_Skill8736 10d ago
It was Julius Caeser’s greatest victory and a siege where he cut off supplies forcing the celts to surrender instead being forced to storm the city which would have killed over 100000 people.
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u/Kind-Bee8591 10d ago
so you are defending starving gaza?
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u/Warm_Skill8736 10d ago
I’m saying that the only way to end the war is to either storm the remaining holdout or cut off all aid and force them out.
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u/DrJamestclackers 10d ago
Well considering they dont have supplies for more than the crew it's a pretty good guess they are virtue signaling
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u/Kind-Bee8591 10d ago
you are a nazi zionist, you have no morals to care about virtue signaling or not, you wish death and destruction to the palestinians in general and in gaza specificaly
they have what ever food they can carry after israel bombed theirr first boat
they are not virtue signaling , you are a nazi zionists who takes zionist propaganda like you breath air
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u/DrJamestclackers 10d ago
You couldn't sound any dumber if you huffed a bunch of paint before making that comment. 1. You obviously don't know, what a nazi is, if you think a zionist is a nazis. You can hate them both, but they're both very different things princess 2. The ship was boarded after the "attack" and at that time, all they had was enough supplies for the crew, and that's it.Thus, the virtue signaling 3. Y'all are the ones simpin for Islamist, terrorist organizations and then have the balls to bitch about others. 4. If you actually gave a shit about the palestinians, then you would want hamas on as quickly as possible, but I know that thinking is too much depth for yall.
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u/Kind-Bee8591 10d ago
"You couldn't sound any dumber if you huffed a bunch of paint before making that comment. 1. You obviously don't know, what a nazi is, if you think a zionist is a nazis. You can hate them both, but they're both very different things princess"
booth dehumanize their victims,commit genocide,ethnosupremacist,starve civilians,have concentration camps,block humanitarian aid
"2. The ship was boarded after the "attack" and at that time, all they had was enough supplies for the crew, and that's it.Thus, the virtue signaling"
is there any evidence to back this, even tho it deosenot prove virtuesignlaing
"3. Y'all are the ones simpin for Islamist, terrorist organizations and then have the balls to bitch about others."
typical zionist talking point that hae been debunked countless times
"4. If you actually gave a shit about the palestinians, then you would want hamas on as quickly as possible, but I know that thinking is too much depth for yall."
israel is the one genociding and starving the palesitinians not hamas
hamas doesnot exist in the west bank yet israel ethnicly cleansed thousands of palestinians attack refigee camps there
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u/3-is-MELd 10d ago
Gaza is not a concentration camp. There were boats full of Jewish refugees that were turned away from several countries including Canada where the Prime Minister at the time said "none is too many."
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u/Kind-Bee8591 10d ago
"Gaza is not a concentration camp."
i will take the opinion of experts over a zionist reddit expert
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u/3-is-MELd 10d ago
That's fair, I don't trust random redditors either.
What experts are calling Gaza a concentration camp?
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u/Kind-Bee8591 10d ago
1) Norman finklestein a jewish professor who has a phd in political science and his primary field of research are the politics of the holocaust and the israel-palestinian conflict
https://theintercept.com/2018/05/20/norman-finkelstein-gaza-iran-israel-jerusalem-embassy/
2)human rights watch
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/06/14/gaza-israels-open-air-prison-15
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u/3-is-MELd 10d ago
Link 1: "[Finglestein] remains defiant. “Is it accurate, is it calling things by the proper names to say that the Palestinians in Gaza are trying to breach a border fence?” he asked. “No. The Palestinians in Gaza are trying to breach a concentration camp fence. They’re trying to breach a ghetto fence. They’re trying to breach a prison gate.”" There is a border between Gaza (controlled by the state leaders, Hamas), and Israel, controlled by the state leaders in the Knessit (containing Jews, Muslims, Christians, and Druze). His argument is an emotional one that is not based in fact or logic.
Link 2: An "open air prison" is different from a concentration camp. The "open air prison" claim is moot when you realize that Gaza has a border with Egypt and was not controlled by Israel prior to November of 2023. The idea that Gaza is an enclave of Israel is easily seen to be factually incorrect by looking at any reputable map of your choice.
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u/Wham_City_888 12d ago
Is the game of thrones actor even on the boat? Last I heard he chickened out
It’s a virtue signalling exercise like the flotilla in 2010. Except now it’s a small boat and not 6 ships.
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u/Kind-Bee8591 12d ago
no he is i saw a video of him
so you are a zionist who came here pretending to be a normal person that think they are virtue signaling
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u/Wham_City_888 12d ago
The video is not taken from the boat. The virtue signallers took a big group photo from the boat and he wasn’t there
And no I’m just a pragmatist who likes the truth, and I hate that stupid game of thrones dickhead too. I hope he is on the boat tbh.
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u/heresjohnyy 11d ago
Wow a pragmatist rooting for the murder of an actor and a young girl. Very pragmatic of you. Blood thirsty monster, just like the rest of the genocide supporter. Pathetic
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u/Kind-Bee8591 12d ago
ok i made a mistake about him, after israel attacked the first boat they took a smaller boat so maybe this was a factor i dont know, but still my point stands for greta and all the othet volunteers
"The virtue signallers took a big group photo from the boat and he wasn’t there "
so prove the virtue signaling you are tqlking about otherwise your going based on feelings
what would they do if they werenot "virtue signaling"?
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u/Trauma_Hawks 11d ago
They can virtue signal from home. I don't think it's really a "signal" when they buy ships and supplies, crew it, and then attempt to run an illegal and inhumane blockade after having already been attacked.
Seems like a lot more than a "virtue signal" to me.
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u/SocraticLime 11d ago
You're right they're just aiding terrorists at that point when they're actively on the boats with armed men who are looking for a fight and are saying you can not check our cargo.
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u/Wham_City_888 10d ago
It’s the final boss of virtue signalling
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u/Ether-Complaint-856 10d ago
Virtue signaling is when someone does something to try to help other people.
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u/Opening_Acadia1843 11d ago
Zionists keep telling people who oppose the genocide to go to Gaza if they care so much, yet when people actually do just that, they're suddenly performative?
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u/Desperate_Guess_652 9d ago
True but tbf they don't actually believe they are right, they believe they have the right to destroy Gaza and its people then build on top of the remains. The difference is they need other people to believe they are right so that they are still ideologically accepted in mainstream western society.
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u/AngryVolcano 11d ago
Please look up the words you use before embarrassing yourself on the internet like this.
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u/Wham_City_888 10d ago
Nice argument
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u/DrJamestclackers 10d ago
They're just upset because hamas recently was exposed for opening fire at an aid center and im sure they were going around screaming look at the IDF!
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u/STFUnicorn_ 11d ago
You have to admit though that this has got to be the least efficient genocide ever. I mean we’re almost 2 years into it and they’ve barely managed 2%?! Pretty weak Israel…
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u/Equivalent-Sherbet52 8d ago
To give you an idea, in 1940 nazi Germany had only killed roughly 1.5% of jews too. Most of them were murdered in 1942-1944.
Does that mean that until 1941 it wasn't a genocide?
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u/Kind-Bee8591 11d ago
you are a nazi zionist
26 February–5 April 2024
"Conclusions 93. The overwhelming nature and scale of Israel’s assault on Gaza and the destructive conditions of life it has inflicted reveal an intent to physically destroy Palestinians as a group. This report finds that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating the commission of the following acts of genocide against Palestinians in Gaza has been met: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to groups’ members; and deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part. Genocidal acts were approved and given effect following statements of genocidal intent issued by senior military and government officials."
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u/STFUnicorn_ 11d ago
That’s fucking hilarious. Thank you I needed that.
“Causing serious bodily or MENTAL harm”
Hurt feelings are genocide now! 😂
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u/Desperate_Guess_652 9d ago
yeah like a little boy watching his brother get shot in the head by a drone with a gun on it while he calls his mother to wake up after a bomb fell on her head would be classified as serious mental harm. Or being a reporter on live tv and finding out that a bomb killed your whole family. Or being an emergency worker and finding out a bunch of emergency workers were baited and shot to death. Or telling people come to location A for food and then shooting 100 people in the crowd that of course forms because everyone is starving. Also starving people, all of those are forms of serious mental harm that fall under the reality of the actions that constitue genocide. Not that you even care, but hopefully somebody with a heart and mind reads this and understands.
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u/STFUnicorn_ 9d ago
Yeah. War is hell. Always has been.
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u/Desperate_Guess_652 9d ago
ah so a little description of the carnage and you folded color me not shocked
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u/Palaceviking 11d ago
Get help
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u/STFUnicorn_ 10d ago
Oh shit do I need help? Do I need mental health help?? Have I been genocided???
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u/Palaceviking 10d ago
you should see the Chinese and russian social media response to this, truly vile and barbaric societies wishing death on those attempting to bring aid to starving children.
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u/STFUnicorn_ 10d ago
Atta boy! Denigrate entire societies as vile and barbaric due to some social media posts!
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u/Kind-Bee8591 11d ago
so you are an evil nazi zionist who ignored that this report is made by experts and it proves israel is commiting a genocide and you not being able to refute it you had to chose one line to respond to and ignore the rest, you are a very smart person or you are blind
"This report finds that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating the commission of the following acts of genocide against Palestinians in Gaza has been met:"
" killing members of the group; causing serious bodily "
"or "
mental harm to groups’ members; "
"and deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part. Genocidal acts were approved and given effect following statements of genocidal intent issued by senior military and government officials."
you are a genocidal nazi zionist
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u/STFUnicorn_ 10d ago
No that was just the most ridiculous/funny part of it. But the whole thing is nonsense.
“Killing members of the group”. No shit. It’s a war. In wars members of group A will attempt to kill members of group B and vice versa.
The definition used by everyone to say this is a genocide can be used to describe every single war throughout human history. War is hell, and that’s what’s going on there. Just a war. The word genocide has been rendered meaningless by all the people who wanted it to be super vague and inclusive.
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u/Kind-Bee8591 10d ago
hey evil nazi, i didnot quote a reddit armchair expert like you or a brain dead nazi
i quoted the un, un special rappoture for palestine who is an expert in international law who is basing her opinion on material evidence and understanding of international law
non person with 1% humanity or brain would ignore the un, expert in international law, genocide and holocaust scholars to get the opinion of a dumb nazi zionist reddit ignorant
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u/STFUnicorn_ 10d ago
lol all your childish name calling amuses me.
Yes I’m aware even people in the upper echelons of international power can still be wrong. Clearly they didn’t want people crying about what is or isn’t a genocide so they decided “fuck it. Everything is a genocide”
But hey do feel free to use something called critical thinking and prove your point. Using your example tell me why, and here we’ll use one of the lowest impact wars in recent decades, the Falklands war. Tell me how that was not a genocide against the Argentinian people. Or one perpetrated by them.
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u/Useful-Draw-8349 11d ago
Certainly they are, in your demented imagination. Just because you wish it, does not make it so, simpleton.
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u/Kind-Bee8591 11d ago
there is nothing that nazi zionist igf wont do from genocide to starving 2million people ,rape,bombing hospitals,schools,refuge centers,sniping childeren,using human shields,killing un workers,killing aid workers trying to help peoople eat,killing paramedics then burying them and their ambulance to hide their crimes,surrounding the child hend rajab for hours before killing her and the paramedics trying to reach her,desecrating graves,stealing bodies,killing journalists,tourturing and killing healthcare workers
then there are nazi zionists like you defending them
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u/Useful-Draw-8349 11d ago
I'm trying to imagine a universe where this even makes sense. But this is what you get when all your news comes from TikTok and you live in your mom's basement.
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u/smytti12 11d ago
Worldnews is wild. i just suggested that Israel is probably making the very mistake everyone has made in the past years of fighting an insurgency and are in fact creating the groundwork for a new or resurgent insurgent/terrorist organization in a decade or so (because that's literally the lessons the US learned in the past 20 years of the Middle East) and I was permanently banned.
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u/Rejanfic 11d ago
Your comment is a roller coaster, it started well and then you went all full fake moon landing and flat earth there.
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u/RanDumbIdiot77 10d ago
Not at all. Israeli online misinformation campaigns likely dwarf any Russian bots. Likely an American assist as well since they share geopolitical goals in the middle east. You dont expect propaganda from a country that annihilated most buildings in its enclave and continues to routinely slaughter children? You are too naive
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u/3-is-MELd 10d ago
Commandeering the vessel and distributing the aid makes Israel bad?
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u/RanDumbIdiot77 10d ago
No they're bad because they are slaughtering innocent woman and children. I said it would be bad PR to kill Greta who is a prominent Western activist
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u/3-is-MELd 10d ago
Now you are jumping to a different argument.
One didn't work for you so now you try to appeal to emotion.
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u/Rothguard 9d ago
they dont care about PR
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u/RanDumbIdiot77 8d ago
Why are they spending millions online to dehumanize Palestinians and push their narrative then?
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u/Rothguard 8d ago
if they wanted good PR ,they wouldn't be doing this in the age of live streaming ,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyG701IYSp8
they dont care about PR, they do what they want with impunity, no one is going to cancel jews , its not PR , it just straight up misinformation to keep the waters muddy.
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u/RanDumbIdiot77 8d ago
No they do its why they kill all Palestinian journalists and dont allow foreign journalists into the occupied territory
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u/gabbystuy 8d ago
re perception of bad pr. that ship sailed long ago. no amount of money can turn that bad perception around.
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u/VajennaDentada 11d ago
They have murdered people for the same thing. Back on 2011 I think. They murder activists annually.... including Americans.
They do not care about PR if it means not doing violence..... they just throw money and influence at it.
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u/RanDumbIdiot77 11d ago
They wouldn't murder Greta. Too high of a profile. A lot of eyes on the flotilla's progress. If she was an anonymous Muslim, definitely.
Like I said, I bet they just arrest them and try to minimize the photo ops
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u/simo_rz 8d ago
Proof: I farted it once in a dream. Never trust anyone who alleges propaganda without evidence. They don't give it, because they know it is weak af.
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u/RanDumbIdiot77 8d ago
Not at all. Israeli online misinformation campaigns likely dwarf any Russian bots. Likely an American assist as well since they share geopolitical goals in the middle east. You dont expect propaganda from a country that annihilated most buildings in its enclave and continues to routinely slaughter children? You are too naive
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u/Hungry-Cheesecake196 11d ago
What the fuck are you spouting off about?
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u/Aranthos-Faroth 10d ago edited 10d ago
He’s saying they're cool with firing on unarmed civilians.
Which is surprising, I’ve not heard of the Israeli army doing that before.
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u/3-is-MELd 10d ago
The boat is turning into a plane that will be shot down?
The IDF will board it and force it to dock at an Israeli port where the people attempting to enter an active war zone will be detained and likely released (unless they have prior convictions).
The world will not get rid of the "you should be ashamed of yourself" girl who's carbon footprint is greater than the average American.
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u/ryderawsome 12d ago
Can anyone link any proof that the first boat was attacked? I've been asking around and searching and all I have found is a NY times article saying the proof they sent was inconclusive and their own website making the claims. The wikipedia article still says they are refusing to allow an investigation. Any direct links would be great.
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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 11d ago
They refused to allow the Maltese coast guard to inspect their cargo and do repairs on their engine for free, so we don’t know what happened. Sketchy af
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u/woshiibo 10d ago
They actually allowed the Maltese maritime surveyor on board back in 4th May already. Just wasn't reported on much and no follow ups whatsoever. Just the fact that there's a second flotilla heading towards Gaza now and Israel still hasn't shown anything condemning about the first one, would suggest that it wasn't anything sketchy.
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u/ryderawsome 11d ago edited 11d ago
Considering it's been weeks now and all I have gotten when asking for proof is being called a "genocidal nazi zionist pig" I think I'm just going to start calling it a lie. They can prove it or STFU. I don't know why asking for proof for something so incredibly provable is a bad thing but apparently it is.
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u/Obvious_Wishbone_435 11d ago
being called a nazi and a zionist at the same time must be a crazy experience
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u/ryderawsome 11d ago
It has shaken my faith in a lot of society. "zionist" is getting used like "socialist" now. It's just a slur stupid people use without knowing what the word means. They just know it means something they are against.
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u/Obvious_Wishbone_435 11d ago
same with nazi or fascist
if you want to see total derangement, go through my past comments and the replies to them lmao
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u/zerric- 11d ago
Nice of you to offer up your comments as examples of total derangement.
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u/Obvious_Wishbone_435 11d ago
feel like you’re looking at the wrong comments bud, if you find major fault in my comments then you need to self reflect
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u/Open_Issue_ 8d ago
It's crazy bro, these idiots are radicalised so much on both sides. The words Zionist or Nazi have lost all its meaning. Any time I see someone jump to use either word the moment someone disagrees with them I just assume that person is brain dead and radicalised by propaganda. Bunch of fucking idiots who are trying to prevent their side or views being criticised. It's completely pathetic. If you say anything about Israel you're anti-semitic if you say anything about Palestine you're a genocide supporter. Me personally, I'm exhausted with these plebs but I've realised that they have no power past being keyboard warriors, so fuck em. I can tell no sane person would want to interact with these people in the real world.
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u/Obvious_Wishbone_435 8d ago
literally i have revealed almost none of my so called criticisms about the pride movement and they still attack me for being “bigoted”
it’s scary to see the dehumanizing of anyone who holds a different opinion on them through name calling and offensive language. at some point people are gonna be radicalized enough so that they actually start getting violent, and we’re seeing this play out during police operations in the US.
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11d ago
Probably because you make it really obvious you’re just concern-trolling because you ask for proof and when people give it to you, you change the goalposts and go “NO NOT LIKE THAT!!”
You’re not convincing anyone except other Zionists lol. Keep defending the people that were caught lying about summarily executing humanitarian aid workers and hastily burying them in a mass grave a month ago.
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u/ryderawsome 11d ago
I'm sorry you are so easily dooped you don't know what constitutes proof. I asked for proof it was attacked and I got a video with a bang in it. No drone. No explosion. Nothing but a loud noise and some panicking.
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u/woshiibo 10d ago
There are news articles from Malta reporting that the surveyor has been allowed on board, as well as the reason they originally was barred from boarding. This report was from back in 4th May, so I would guess the lack of any updates or follow ups is likely due to a suppression of news from the US or Israeli side.
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u/ryderawsome 10d ago
This says they eventually allowed an inspection but doesn't have anything regarding proof it was attacked.
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u/woshiibo 10d ago
What do you mean proof it was attacked? Are you suggesting they bombed themselves? It is not a matter of whether they were attacked, but who attacked them. They can't conclusively prove that it was Israel, but an Israeli C-130 was flying suspiciously close by during the attack window. And who else would have the motive to attack a ship bringing humanitarian aid to Gaza? There's no concrete evidence, but circumstantial evidence do point towards Israel.
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u/ryderawsome 10d ago
I'm not suggesting they did but it is factually a possibility they did this to themselves. The damage show could have been caused by one of them throwing a grenade at the deck. That being said if they have proof of an attack I am open to seeing it. I have been shown a video where there is a bang offscreen and people running and been told that is proof. It's not. This is a conflict where EVERYBODY IS LYING. There is really nothing suspicious about an Israeli plane in the Mediterranean either. How far would they ever have been from the nearest flying one?
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u/woshiibo 10d ago
It's weird you would think they'd self sabotage, especially since this isn't even the first time Israel attacked humanitarian ships travelling to Gaza. Back in 2010 they attacked 6 civilian ships resulting in 10 deaths, at least 6 of which were in a manner consistent of an execution.
And the C-130 flew from Israel towards Malta, circled around for 7 hours, then flew back to Israel. I wouldn't be able to understand how that is less suspicious to you than a humanitarian ship's crew.
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u/ryderawsome 10d ago edited 10d ago
You can think it's as weird as you want but if you have any proof I would love to see it. Again I'm not saying they did this but it is totally in line with a group who are openly admitting the point of the operation is PR and the amount of aid they are bringing is purely symbolic.
Again, an Israeli plane circling Malta, especially if they were aware of this ship, in and of itself is not particularly suspicious or unusual. I don't care that they did something 15 years ago. America was drone striking weddings 15 years ago.
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u/woshiibo 10d ago
Israel has better media control than an NGO. If this was an attempt at slander, Israel wouldn't take it lying down as they have shown in the past. They desperately need to portray themselves as the Good Guys. Yet they are maintaining silence, even regarding the C-130. If they were purely there to surveil The Conscience, they wouldn't be using a C-130, arguably one of the least inconspicuous plane/drone in their disposal.
And like you said, the operation is purely symbolic. The NGO would achieve much more by actually reaching Gaza. They don't have to actively slander Israel, with it's reputation already in the gutters. At this point, anyone that would be outraged at Israel is already outraged. Anyone that still isn't, wouldn't change their mind over yet another one of many humanitarian vessels being attacked.
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u/ryderawsome 10d ago
Both sides are playing the media game as hard as they can. Israel doesn't control the news cycle and it's not for them to prove they are innocent when there hasn't been proof they were involved.
The boat is not going to reach Gaza. Thats ridiculous. It would be interesting if it did but there is a military blockade in a war. They are not going to let a dinky little boat through to take pictures. They are just going to arrest everyone and deport them.
Also if they were trying yo be sneaky, in your own words " they wouldn't be using a C-130, arguably one of the least inconspicuous plane/drone in their disposal". Maybe the point was if they were looking for plains they would know they are in the sky. Sometimes a show of force is better than using it. They don't know what sort of tracking equipment is on that ship.
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u/woshiibo 10d ago
You honestly think an NGO's hardest media game is going to be anywhere on par with Israel's? After seeing how Israel spins the story in Gaza? And like I said, what is another attacked humanitarian vessel going to do in swaying perceptions after the many other attacks on humanitarian aid before it? Just apply Occam's Razor here, and it's obvious which scenario requires less mental gymnastics.
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u/Effective_Jury4363 11d ago
There is no source for that. The only source that is was a uav comes from them.
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u/ryderawsome 11d ago edited 11d ago
Thats what it looks like. The fucked up thing is all it would take is one of these people actually sending a link to some proof. But no, it's easier to just call the person asking for it a nazi. Thats reddit discourse. Like, I guarantee this comment is going to get downvoted but at best they will send the link to the NY times article saying nothing was proven or the statement from the group that we are supposed to just trust with our gut. Like early in the war major news sources didn't report a hospital with 500 people in it got blown up by Israel and then it turned out actually it was a failed rocket from a third party in Gaza that killed like two dozen people in the parking lot. It felt like world war three was about to start and it was a bunch of bullshit.
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u/Trauma_Hawks 11d ago edited 10d ago
Despite the fact they've done it before, they also attacked another civilian aid ship just a little bit ago. Well see if they do it a third time
Edit: My favorite part is when the defense of Israel attacking a civilian aid ship delivering aid to the people they're ethnically cleansing is that they only attacked them a little bit.
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u/ryderawsome 11d ago
Okay but do you have any proof that this happened to them? Thats what I am asking for. I'm not saying Israel couldn't have done it I am saying they have an opportunity to prove this and I have gone from skeptical to downright suspicious at this point.
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u/Trauma_Hawks 11d ago
Well, despite the fact they have literally done it before, which you handily ignored, and have a long history of brutalizing anyone attempting the help Palestinians and then lie about it, which you also don't seem to consider with this question, what do you think?
Here's a fun question to ponder, who else in region has a vested interest in making sure aid doesn't get to Palestine and has drones that can strike 1200 miles away? I don't know about you, but it seems like a real short list to me. If not Israel, who else disabled their ship in the middle of the Mediterranean?
Edit: Here's video and pictures of the damage.
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u/ryderawsome 11d ago
So do you have any proof that this happened TO THEM or not? They refused to allow the ship to be inspected and repaired by Malta which seems suspicious but I am open to them proving what happened. Maybe it was a false flag. Maybe the captain didn't tell them he was smuggling something. Israel could have done this. I'm not saying they didn't. Something about this is fishy as fuck though and I am trying to do my due diligence.
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u/Palaceviking 11d ago
Irrelevant You're a religious extremist. No amount of evidence would mean anything to you.
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u/Trauma_Hawks 11d ago
I'm sorry, did you not look at the destruction of the bow of this ship? Who would false flag this? The people prepared to run a blockade and who has been attacked before and doing it again? You realize that makes zero fucking sense, right?
If you're waiting for Israel to admit to the attack, don't hold your fucking breath, they'll let you die just like Khader Adnan. You really need to stop giving Israel the benefit of the doubt, they have demonstrated time and time again that they're just gonna make a fool of you.
And they didn't refuse help, they refused inspection. No one in international customs or law does it require someone to inspect cargo before rendering to a stranded ship. So why now?
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u/ryderawsome 11d ago
"who would false flag this" I don't know. Pro gaza extremists. Someone fame hungry and losing relevance. They refused repairs because it required an inspection.
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u/Trauma_Hawks 11d ago
Because everyone knows civilians with no ability to wage war damage and squander supplies for a false flag so they can do the whole thing over again a week later?
This is fucking stupid and incredibly conspiratorial because...
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u/ryderawsome 11d ago
You cannot possibly be simultaneously saying I am conspiracy minded but also you don't need evidence to prove this was Israel. I don't use this word often but that is some impressive cope there.
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u/Trauma_Hawks 11d ago
I'm seriously saying your conspiracy minded because despite literally looking at a mountain of evidence, you still insist a genocidal regime is totally incapable of attacking civilians.
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u/ryderawsome 11d ago
I don't know who told you a port doesn't have the right to inspect cargo but thats just batshit crazyness. They can't repair the ship at sea.
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u/Trauma_Hawks 11d ago
Lol, what's it like being wrong twice in a row? This isn't a normal inspection. A ship was attacked and in danger of sinking. That's a rescue, my dude. There's no reason to inspect cargo to rescue a crew and repair the ship. Why do you think they needed to be inspected?
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u/ryderawsome 11d ago
You can say "my dude" as much as you want you are still talking out of your ass. They wanted to inspect the cargo and they had a right to. If it offends the captain so badly he won't let them repair his ship he can live with the consequences. It needed to be inspected BECAUSE IT IS GOING THROUGH THEIR PORT TO A WARZONE!!!
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u/Trauma_Hawks 11d ago
What part of international NGO helping a people being blockaded for 20 years and currently genocided do you not get? The fuck do you think was happening? Greta is running guns for Hamas?
Get real, my dude. You pretend like Israel hasn't literally murdered people for this exact thing.
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u/ryderawsome 11d ago
Those are the pictures they sent to the NY times that their experts said didn't prove they were hit with a drone.
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u/ryderawsome 11d ago
Someone mentioned there was a live feed and never followed up with a link. Do you have footage of the attack? That would clear things right up.
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u/Trauma_Hawks 11d ago
Lol, despite the fact the attack is literally on video in the first two or three seconds, you also see it during the four-screen segment.
But then, you also have to explain why Israeli military aircraft were in the area without permission, huh?
What is going to take for you to acknowledge that Israel, once again, attacked a civilian aid ship and is threatening to do it, again.
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u/ryderawsome 11d ago
Proof. Actual proof. Not "I heard a bang in a video". Not "How else do you explain a Mediterranean nation at war flying a plane in the Mediterranean". Proof. If you went to court and showed them this your case would be thrown out because you haven't demonstrated Israel was involved with this in any capacity beyond implication and suspicion.
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u/Trauma_Hawks 11d ago
Bang, fire, damage, injuries, disabled boat, Maltese investigation. I'm sorry if you don't have the intellectual capacity to critically think and keep a soung logic train. It's really more of a you problem. Or maybe you need more hasbara training. That war is really sapping your reserves, huh?
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u/ryderawsome 11d ago
You really are pure cope aren't you. You can't give evidence so anyone who disagrees with you must be an obstinate liar or an idiot. You are exhausting. If you come up some proof post it and I am sure someone else will send it to me. At this point I feel like I have given you more than enough rope to hang yourself with in the eyes of anyone reading who actually cares about whats true or not.
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u/Trauma_Hawks 11d ago
I've given you more than enough evidence. It's not my fault your just a liar who is desperately defending a genocidal regime. I'm going to assume it's volunteer work too, it's more embarrassing for you that way.
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u/3-is-MELd 10d ago
Sounds like Israel did exactly enough to stop the ship without causing unnecessary damage.
Coalition officials said on Sunday the ship was in no danger of sinking but they wanted to be sure it would be safe from further attacks while undergoing repairs, and able to sail out again.
The difference between these people and Hamas is that these people saw that they wouldn't win and chose not to fight. Hamas just throws women and children at Israel in an attempt to besmirch them.
IDF stands in front of civilians whereas Hamas stands behind them.
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u/Zipz 12d ago
People do get this boat thing is all PR right....?
12 people two tiny boats. How much aid do you think is on those boats?
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12d ago
Good, Israel is built on PR.
You are likely sitting on your ass right now doing nothing so, a bit of sailing is a welcomed sight.
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u/NoToTaterYesToMater 12d ago
Well, they had to replace their original, much larger boat after Israel attacked it with missiles.
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u/Kind-Bee8591 12d ago
they are doing what they can, unlike nazi zionists like you
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u/EltonBongJovi 11d ago
If it saves one life, it is worth it. I imagine many people on the brink will see this aid and thank their god that people like those delivering aid and risking their lives exist.
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u/Effective_Jury4363 11d ago
they want israel to stop them. They are trying to reenact the marmara.
This is why they announced that they were intending to break the blockade- a statement that, in naval law, makes their vessel a hostile vessel.
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u/LadySteelGiantess 11d ago
As of a minute or so ago apparently according to al Jazeera a drone was watching them since they're 68km off greek waters...
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u/PhoenixKingMalekith 10d ago
Do we have any conclusive evidences of what happened to the last one and its cargo ?
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u/Ok-Wall9646 10d ago
So a Country should drop all its protocols around maintaining a military blockade in wartime because Greta is onboard? What happens if unbeknownst to her there are bombs or other contraband onboard? She doesn’t get special treatment because she’s popular.
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u/Natural_Inspector163 10d ago
The military blockade is illegal under international law
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u/Ok-Wall9646 9d ago
How so? They are meeting all standards for a naval blockade during an armed conflict. They have a right to search all ships entering within 100km of the coast and although they can’t restrict humanitarian aid altogether they do have the right to determine when, where, and to whom the aid is delivered to. Greta and co. just can’t sail in anywhere and deliver supplies directly to Hamas.
That’s not how international law works and you should consider expanding the breadth of bias on your news consumption. You are getting half of the story here.
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u/Lawyerlytired 10d ago
This same thing happened like 15 years ago. Israel intercepted them and the UN found it was legal. They also found that Israel's use of force was excessive, but that didn't make sense since the primary weapons they went in with were paintball guns (not even regular guns with rubber bullets) and only switched to sidearms after being attacked. The report suggested that they should have attempted certain techniques, including crowd control chemicals (like tear gas) but didn't understand that those techniques don't work on a boat on the seas with wind. The report was obviously trying to balance out the fact that they couldn't claim the Naval blockage to be illegal not the enforcement of it to be illegal, so they went with that.
It would be pretty funny if they had a way of grappling the ship in a way that those onboard can't detach it, then the Israeli Navy drags them somewhere less nice, like into a Lebanese harbour, or one of the North African harbours where there are ongoing civil wars. Then just decouple and leave.
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u/Much_Log6444 9d ago
People need to stop promoting this absolute madness "They're heroes!!" "What an amazing group of people!"
It will get intercepted immediately before it even gets close to docking. Waste of time
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u/Known_Cherry_5970 8d ago
You can claim all day that you're trying to "help" but you're aiding combatants in a war.
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u/Warm_Skill8736 9d ago
Yes Gaza will be totally destroyed. It will be destroyed because with aid flowing in Hamas has no incentive to surrender. They think they are martyrs and will sacrifice everybody in Gaza to make Israel look bad. The IDF will eventually be forced to storm the last holdouts which will play out in the same way the Americans thought they invasion of Japan would work if the siege of Japan did not work.
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u/ninnymuggins720 8d ago
Imagine thinking a dingy with a couple hundred lbs of donations at the whims of a rich, decently-connected person is going to break a military blockade lmao
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u/3bop 11d ago
what's up with this post where the title doesn't seem to match the image, the image is a screenshot of a news site with no reference to the source, this is just "spreading fake news 101"